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Re: What would you prefer?

Indeed a win that's hardly remembered by FIRST is probably greatly remembered by the community. 1885 won Rookie All-Star out first year, something that you'd scoff at if you saw the way our first robot performed -- but the recognition in the county and community, combined with the fact that the following year another county school gets the regional Rookie All-Star award, gives our teams much more benefit than if we had made a "great" robot and got knocked out in the finals.

Getting silver is something great to take to sponsors. Yet they also love it when you come back and say "we were successful enough to make it to Atlanta, how can you help us get there to show off the robot you helped us build?".

In essence, complaining about "piggy-backing" is not a valid argument in my opinion -- you might as well complain about the lottery for Atlanta spots. They made a game this year that had several things to do in order to score points, allowing a broad range of experience from the different teams to create a successful robot. If there's ever a year where "the best robot that only does this one strategy will always hands down win" then you'll be hard-pressed to find rookies and an audience the year after.

Re: What would you prefer?

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Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur (Post 637405)

Being on a team that barely had enough money to go to 1 regional, winning that regional and getting to go to the Championships has been invaluble to our team.

We did exactly the above (at BAE GSR), and it has gained us community awareness and support that otherwise would not have been possible.

You (the FIRST community) may not remember us, but the memories of that win will last a long time with our students and in our town.

I might be wrong, but beeing ranked 5th in Archemidis is a great thing to be remembered for, and i personnaly know that i remember your bot.

Re: What would you prefer?

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Originally Posted by Brandon Holley (Post 637309)

I have a different, #2 scenario, because this one directly applies to us this year at the boston regional:

Your team puts up a good showing, managing to get around a 4-5 tube average. It seems that however hard you try, you just cannot seem to win a match. The "algorithm of death" seems to be taking its toll on you. You play matches against 121 and 1403. You find yourself near the end of the rankings. However, some good scouts have seen that your team has some talent. Come down to alliance selections, the top 8 is a little off. It seems the "algorithm of death" may have struck again with some very high numbered teams making the top 8, not necessarily for their performance, but because of their partners. Their scouting is still new so they see your ranking as low as sign of weakness so you fall all the way to the 2nd half of the 2nd round of pickings. The 3rd alliance spots that your available and snatches you up.

You go onto the elims...the quarters were fairly competitive, some solid defense was played, but the other alliance fails to score enough points to contend with your solid alliance. You go onto the semifinals where you find your team firing on all cylinders. Your alliance gets a row of 8, not once, but twice. Onto the finals. By far the most difficult matchup, you are playing the number 1 alliance of arguably the 2 best robots at the competition. Their 3rd partner may not be the best, but they certainly hold their own. You win the first match, lose the 2nd, and enter the 3rd. Your alliance gives it their all. With 3 seconds left your team manages to climb your partners ramp which gives you a 15 pt. lead, thus WINNING THE REGIONAL. Your partners thank you, knowing if they had a different partner they may not have stood a chance.

Now what do you pick, 1 or 2?

We had a kind of same scenario, but we really reached the bottom of the ranking score-board, but the amazing team from Hadera, 1947 Black Knight Robotics saw our potential and although we were chosen as 3rd in their alliance, we still appreciate them choosing us, and eventually we were able to reach the Semi-Finals. In the Quartar-Finals, we lost first match because our other alliance robot had a little malfunction in the first match. But in the 2nd and 3rd we won because we and them were able to get on 1947's lifting system (which was way awesome!). Frankly, good scouting took us down, because the opponents dropped the tubes behind 1947 and our robot wasn't able to take off the tube from the fork we were supposed to get on, therefore we made our team lose (twice). But being able to reach the Semi's really gave us reputation among the other teams.

Next time in the Championships.

Re: What would you prefer?

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Originally Posted by Tottanka (Post 637912)

I might be wrong, but beeing ranked 5th in Archemidis is a great thing to be remembered for, and i personnaly know that i remember your bot.

Thank you, It's nice to be remembered.

5th on Archemedies was a great accomplishment for our very young team. And the kids on the team deserve a big congratulations for it.

My point was that we were the 3rd team chosen by the top seeded team at BAE GSR (team 501, The Power Knights). That choice has helped us get the word out about our team, in our community and helped us gain name recognition where we could not have before.

The topics question was which would you prefer? For us, in our situation, we'll take being the 3rd team chosen by the top seeded alliance.

Re: What would you prefer?

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Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur (Post 637933)

My point was that we were the 3rd team chosen by the top seeded team at BAE GSR (team 501, The Power Knights). That choice has helped us get the word out about our team, in our community and helped us gain name recognition where we could not have before.

The topics question was which would you prefer? For us, in our situation, we'll take being the 3rd team chosen by the top seeded alliance.

However, the question was "would you prefer being piggy-backed to a win, or earn your finalist title as the alliance captain and have your robot remembered"

Your team was certainly not "piggy-backed" to the win at GSR. IIRC, the only match that your alliance lost was the one where your robot, I'm assuming, couldn't deploy its ramp. Most of those matches were won on ramp points.