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CraigHickman

18-08-2007 22:58

pic: 4 motor Gearbox CAD

GBIT	18-08-2007 22:59

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How would you work that in to a crab drive?

Is that for one pod?

or,

a central unit that turns all four?

Lil' Lavery

18-08-2007 23:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GBIT (Post 639243)

How would you work that in to a crab drive?

Is that for one pod?

or,

a central unit that turns all four?

More than likely a single unit that powers all the modules in a co-axial swerve system. Other modules would be used for steering the wheels.

CraigHickman

19-08-2007 00:40

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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 639253)

More than likely a single unit that powers all the modules in a co-axial swerve system. Other modules would be used for steering the wheels.

Exactly.

GBIT	19-08-2007 09:22

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ok that is what i figured but i didn't want to assume it.

Tottanka

19-08-2007 10:03

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Wouldn't it be easier and better to have 2 gears, with 2 CIMs in each. Each Gearbox controls a pair of wheels?
If im wrong, what do you think are the advantages of a 4 CIMs-in-one-gear?

Greg Needel

19-08-2007 10:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tottanka (Post 639274)

Wouldn't it be easier and better to have 2 gears, with 2 CIMs in each. Each Gearbox controls a pair of wheels?
If im wrong, what do you think are the advantages of a 4 CIMs-in-one-gear?

The advantage is all in the power distrubution. If you have all four cims in one gearbox, each wheel is taking an equal amount of power when the weight is centralized. If one wheel looses traction (due to a shift in the center of mass) the full power of the drive will still be used (assuming no wheel slipping).

If you had 2 gear boxes on each side if one side of the robot looses traction you effectively loose half your power. Now considering the real world, the odds of your robot loosing complete traction on one side and still being able to drive would be an accomplishment in itself.

Ultimately having a centralized drive does give some advantages for serviceability, and maybe even weight, but I would still prefer 2 serrate gearboxes

CraigHickman

19-08-2007 20:36

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My reason for preferring this is all resource and weight driven. If my team actually lets me build ones of these (which I doubt will happen...), then I want to save on machining costs and weight as much as possible. That's the real motive behind this.

SgtMillhouse648

20-08-2007 08:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tottanka (Post 639274)

Wouldn't it be easier and better to have 2 gears, with 2 CIMs in each. Each Gearbox controls a pair of wheels?
If im wrong, what do you think are the advantages of a 4 CIMs-in-one-gear?

648 did the two gearbox setup this year, and had some power to spare, however , no reduction was made through gears. The twin small CIMs came up through the mounting plate with a small pulley on each. Then a timing belt serpentined throughout the pair and one other pulley gave power to each of the individual crab modules. This pulley gave power to a pair of bevel gears, then went through a final reduction through a chain drive to the wheels, giving us a final reduction of 9:1. To be honest however, I was incredibly impressed by the setup on the 118 bot. how many motors did you guys use in that one, If I remember right, you had two small CIMS, to big CIMs, and the FPs? One thing eluded me however, why did you use two pots to tell the angle of the wheels? It seems to me it would have been quicker and easier to use something like this Miniature Absolute Magnetic
Shaft Encoder After the season was over, we wanted to see just how powerful the swerve drive was, so one of the biggest/strongest kids on the team tried to shove the robot around, and the robot ended up pushing him backwards without a problem.
Thanks
Malhon

Pavan Dave

21-08-2007 00:21

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Looks nice. It reminds me of the V6. So you arreee thinking about making a drive system with a central power house! Good luck.

robostangs548

06-09-2007 11:17

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Looks pretty powerfull, but heavy.... Looks good though. :) Nice cad, and sick gear box. Nice :) It would definitally put up a fight against the new AndyMark Super Shifters, (those look sweet, but i can already feel them "shifting" the money out of our teams bank account, if you know what I mean.) Nice, I would love to see it in action!

pakratt1991

10-10-2007 01:38

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hmmm
comment...

you're amazing!!!

:D
for no reason you design a massive 4 motor gear box....
it is just so simply... first-like :rolleyes:

Dan Petrovic

10-10-2007 13:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pakratt1991 (Post 645495)

hmmm
comment...

you're amazing!!!

:D
for no reason you design a massive 4 motor gear box....
it is just so simply... first-like :rolleyes:

Well, there's always a reason to CAD something like this. It's so if the team decides to use something like this, they don't have to take the time during build season to design it.

AndyB

10-10-2007 13:14

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Originally Posted by InfernoX14 (Post 645574)

Well, there's always a reason to CAD something like this. It's so if the team decides to use something like this, they don't have to take the time during build season to design it.

Good point, in that case, I should probably get back to work on my 4 CIM, 2 Minibike, 2 Globe, 2 Fischer Price, and 18 servo gearbox. Wait, you say 118 beat me to it? sheesh.

Alan Anderson

10-10-2007 13:44

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Originally Posted by InfernoX14 (Post 645574)

...if the team decides to use something like this, they don't have to take the time during build season to design it.

Be sure to check the rules before you use existing plans for a custom assembly. The 2007 manual contained this surprising nugget:

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8.3.3 Fabrication Schedule

...completing detailed dimensioned drawings of parts, and any actual fabrication of any hardware items intended to go on the actual competition ROBOT is prohibited outside of the approved fabrication periods.

s_forbes

10-10-2007 13:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by InfernoX14 (Post 645574)

Well, there's always a reason to CAD something like this. It's so if the team decides to use something like this, they don't have to take the time during build season to design it.

But most importantly, it's good to CAD out designs that have been keeping you awake at night. You sleep better afterwards.

Dan Petrovic

10-10-2007 16:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 645585)

Be sure to check the rules before you use existing plans for a custom assembly. The 2007 manual contained this surprising nugget:

Ahh man... I missed that...

Quote:

Originally Posted by s_forbes (Post 645588)

But most importantly, it's good to CAD out designs that have been keeping you awake at night. You sleep better afterwards.

Good point. Although I don't know how to use CAD software, I find myself in my bed, graph paper and pencil in hand, sketching out something that has been lingering in my head for a while.

CraigHickman

10-10-2007 18:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 645585)

Be sure to check the rules before you use existing plans for a custom assembly. The 2007 manual contained this surprising nugget:

Yep. I knew that. That's why I never design the way the gearbox mounts to a frame until the build season. That way it's not "complete" until it's legal to be "complete."

Rule wording is fun.

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