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Let's name a few. If you still want to stay toward the car side, it's a wonderful thing called carpooling. Otherwise, bicycles are an excellent form of transpotation. Their so versatile.

Edit:Saw Pavan's last response. Seiously, try carpooling. It might be awkward to ask, but it is efficient.

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I would never tell someone to hitch hike, because a) that's EXTREMELY dangerous to do, and b) illegal (at least in Indiana/Illinois, although I do believe it is illegal in most states...) I never mentioned hitch hiking or asking for rides in my previous posts, though. I simply said that if a person really needed to be somewhere, they could easily find a way to get there without needing their own car.

However, in regards to the school situation in Kentucky, I do agree that there are a lot of teeneagers who do not have that drive to go to school. Taking their car away would probably make them think that they had no other way of getting there, so they would eventually just drop out. (This, of course, will not necessarily happen to everyone, but could potentially happen to many.)

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I don't think you understood me.
I'm not even talking about this happening during school. I'm talking about this summer, between school and work I had a week off and [I have a valid license and insurance btw] I faced this same situation one day, and I couldn't find any ride from family or friends, and it was to a location a bus did not go IF I could even get to the bus somehow, so I ended up missing the thing I had to go to. I did ask many people alternate ways of getting from point A to B and nobody could help me come up with a plausible solution. I am speaking of my own experience, not assuming something or another. It was impossible, and I sure couldn't have walked what takes 30 minutes by car to get to.

And car pools only go so far, or at least the ones I know of and tried to get a hold of.

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i think u forgot the segway

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:)
Good call.
I like segways.
I wish I had one!

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You can't insure a car if he didn't have a driver's licensce. I can't really put the entire blame on him either because the parents should have realized how stupid his actions were too. As I said before you basically gambling with your parents house even if he was a perfect driver which is somewhat callous or naive. Though this is getting off topic now.

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Forget Cars! I'm riding a segway to school!

I will have to admit, that is a decent bike ride, 60 miles round trip. Unless you wanted to leave three hours before the activity.

But, yeah, that is an exception and a good example. The average person isn't going to ride a segway or a bike that far or for that long. And it's not like you can always prevent that situation. Sometimes you just have to face the fact and try to call and tell the group/organizer why you can't make it.

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So now that we have agreed that sometimes it is impossible to make it, lets say that it is the summer still, and that "event" is your job, and you can drive [with your parents permission which disregards the law]. Now you can get to work, and you can do it with parental permission and as long as you don't do anything stupid, you won't get pulled over. Now I'm just putting it out there, and saying that some people, provided the conditions above, MIGHT NOT WILL, try and put 2 + 1.5 together to what seems like 4 rounded up. Do you think that this instance ever comes up?

By the way, I am not UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES condoning any kind of illegal activities, I am just trying to shed light on the other side of the story and those other factors that people don't usually take in when making up their mind, especially in this HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION.

Pavan

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I'm sure that this instance comes up quite often. However, a person who decides to go against the law and drive without a license/without insurance--no matter if they have their parent's permission or if they are extremely safe drivers who have never been pulled over for anything--are still breaking a law. I understand that there are special circumstances in which a person will need to get to one place or another, but that doesn't mean it's okay to break the law. Getting your parent's permission doesn't really have anything to do with making it okay to drive without a license. And parents should never condone an illegal activity. Even if a person is a safe driver, there are other drivers that could cause a horrific accident. What happens if another driver slams into you, completely totalling your car? Their insurance company will find out that you didn't have a license and that you didn't have insurance, and therefore will make you and your parents ultimately responsible for paying for your own damage and possibly the damage to the other vehicle. And that doesn't even scratch the surface on the punishment one would receive for driving without those important documents (license and insurance).

After re-reading your last post, I think you were just saying isn't it possible that this happens all the time? If so, then yes. That is very possible, and almost a certainty that it does. But, underage drinking occurs all the time. And sometimes it occurs with parental consent. That doesn't mean that we should remain idle and not try to stop it, right?

I also apologize if I am rambling or don't make sense...it's kind of late, so sorry in advance to all!

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If you truly have to be there, a taxi isn't out of the question.

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If you know in advance that you'll need a ride, there are always possibilities. There's an entire industry devoted to meeting the needs of non-drivers to get to and from remote locations.
You took a summer job that requires you to drive, but you don't have a driver's license? Sorry, I'm not going to take any arguments seriously if they start with such a silly assumption.
As I said in my private message, this situation is not so much "hypothetical" as it is "contrived".

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To have to pass at least 4 courses, that would be about 1/2 the day - I'm thinking.
Are there marginal students that this would help? Those on the line of staying in school or dropping out/failing.

(Thank you for the apology, Pavan.)

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I will agree with Alan, if you take up a job that requires you to drive, but you have no license, then you are out of your mind.

On the other side, if you are in that situation where you can't get a ride on short notice, then call your boss/manager and try to get them to understand and take whatever consequences that is given to you. If you do get fired because of this, then don't mope around about it. If they didn't fire you for doing this continuously, then your boss must have been a jerk anyhow.

Most realizing and understanding boss's wouldn't punish you, but warn you. Just remember, that if it is a continuous thing (at least once a month), then you either need to learn better planning, time management, and communication, or you are just in some freaky position where your family and friends just don't keep promises :eek: . Not like they would do that at all (hopefully).

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Getting back to the original poster's question:

What is the intent of this law, to improve education? To win votes by appearing to address a problem in the easiest way possible? It sounds like more "nanny state" legislation to me.

Remember that, in life, failure IS an option. :ahh:

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I teach in a school designed for drop-outs who decide to return to finish their diplomas or get GED's. When we offered driver's ed, the kids in the class used to drive to school to take the class - it was weird.

If it isn't against the law to drop out of school at 16, how can driving and being a drop-out be against the law?

Some of our students are drop-outs because they are working to support themselves, a child or their families. Taking the car away would just contribute to the downward spiral of poverty for families just barely keeping their heads above water.

This program also turns the school into cops - and believe me, they have enough to do to just control the in-school environments.

I'm not one for more government interference in our daily lives either. But I applaud Kentucky for trying to do something to keep kids in school. Those drop-outs have no idea how hard it is to get even an assistant manager's job without that diploma. Our kids often tell us that they were stupid to drop out and that even attending a self-paced alternative school like ours is harder than just doing it right the first time.

Interesting discussion.