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Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

For some weird reason, our code seems to error out on the 2007 RC and causes it to fall into programming mode. It usually takes between 100-200 seconds to happen, and once its in programming mode, IFI's dashboard doesn't show any errors either. Does anyone know potentially issues that would cause this? Please don't ask for the code as I am not allowed too post it anywhere as we are busy working on something (hopefully) unique. We are considering releasing the finished product.

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

The master CPU is in charge of putting the robot in program mode. Without specific additional hardware, there is not supposed to be any way for the user program, misbehaving or otherwise, to do it.

Is something intermittently grounding the PROG pin on the RC? Make sure the three-pin PROG/RESET connector is free of metal shavings. Is your master code corrupt? Try reloading it (and remember to reload your user code immediately afterward).

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

We have had code faults/freezups that lit the program
light, but it wasn't really in program mode. We have had
to hold the program button down for the usual amount of
time to get it into program mode, not being able to see the
light change, to load a new program to recover the RC.

Given the "uniqueness" of what you are doing, and the stated fact
that you don't want to expose it to get help, you are handicapping
those who might be able to help.

Eugene

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

"The master CPU is in charge of putting the robot in program mode."

Out of curiosity, how is this done? It doesn't appear to be using the ICSP programming as that requires the RB5/PGM pin to be dedicated to programming mode and therefore cannot be used as general io bit, but it is available on the user processor so...

Also, the rs232 port used to download data is connected to the user processor, does this mean that it is connected to both the master and shared processor? The SPI port communications between the master and slave only communicate the fixed size data io controller tx/rx packets via double buffering... there doesn't appear to be anything else communicated via this path when I looked at the SPI port, although it is possible there is more code for this port other than the high priority interrupt routine.

I was always under the impression that the boot block in 0..800h contained the program download bootloader within the user processor and once put into program mode, this code within this boot block on the user processor was running.

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

After some investigation, we have arrived at a couple conclusions:

We checked the programming/reset pins, both are clear.
It seems that robot will drop into programming mode if you try to execute a null pointer.
Stack overflows seems to rlod then reset the code quickly (program light blinks between green/red). However, I'm not sure the validity of the test we did about that, so if someone actually knows, believe them.

As I can't post the code, I realize we have to track down the issue ourselves. Other then that, does anyone else have an idea why the robot can fall automatically in programming mode from code? If we find any other methods, we will report back.

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 646519)

The master CPU is in charge of putting the robot in program mode.

Oops, I was thinking of a different system. My mistake.

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

The most likely cause is a random jump/call into the bootloader code in lower memory where I believe the program load code lives.

Look for computed jumps or function calls. These are the most likely culprits. Its possible if you are doing something like:

Code:



void (*myfunction)(void);



:

    myfunction = function1;

:

    myfunction();

}

that the function variable either doesn't get initialized or if there is a memory leak, gets overwritten. This is usually associated with some variable in memory before the function variable exceeding its area. For example a buffer[20] variable gets 22 things written to it and ends up overwriting the variables in memory that are after 'buffer'.

Another option is poor power conditioning resulting in drop outs, brown outs, or noise spikes that could cause strange execution results... but this would be low on my list of suspects.

Try printing out the address of any computed function calls like above or any computed jumps. Computed jumps are sometimes used for case and other tables by computing and offset and then directly writting to the PC<low> address register. Print out the computed address before invoking the jump.

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

After some intensive investigation, we tracked down the issues to the interrupts. The default code has this defined:

Code:

#pragma code

#pragma interruptlow InterruptHandlerLow save=PROD/* You may want to save additional symbols. */



void InterruptHandlerLow ()

however, as we were calling functions inside the interrupt handler, it ended up corrupting one the registers, so changing that to:

Code:

#pragma code

#pragma interruptlow InterruptHandlerLow save=PROD, section(".tmpdata") /* You may want to save additional symbols. */



void InterruptHandlerLow ()

made it work properly so far. Thanks for the help!

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

There are conditions for which you may also need to save MATH_DATA,
depending on just what is in the functions you are using.

#pragma interruptlow InterruptHandlerLow save=PROD,section("MATH_DATA"),section(".tmpdata")

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

Can someone explain what exactly the line

#pragma interruptlow InterruptHandlerLow save=PROD,section("MATH_DATA"),section(".tmpdata")

actually does.. i've always wondered

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

Code:

#pragma interruptlow InterruptHandlerLow save=PROD,section("MATH_DATA"),section(".tmpdata")

The #pragma is a fancy command that has special meaning to the MCC compiler. This one says that the function InterruptHandlerLow() should be compiled and installed as the low-priority interrupt handler (interruptlow), and that extra instructions should be included around the function to save (and later restore) the MATH_DATA and .tmpdata scratchpad memory sections. The PRODH and PRODL registers are also saved (I think the compiler uses them to do address calculations, but I'm not sure).

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

Quote:

This one says that the function InterruptHandlerLow() should be compiled and installed as the low-priority interrupt handler (interruptlow),

Actually, the following different pragma does that (installs the routine into the low-priority interrupt vector)

Code:

#pragma code InterruptVectorLow = LOW_INT_VECTOR

void InterruptVectorLow (void)

{

  _asm

    goto InterruptHandlerLow  /*jump to interrupt routine*/

  _endasm

}

In this case the pragma indicates that the following information will include executable instructions ("code") and the routine/label InteruptVectorLow should be placed in the low-priority interrupt. Well, actually it doesn't say that either. It says that it would like the following code to be known as a code section named "InterruptVectorLow" and that this section of code should start at the absolute address of LOW_INT_VECTOR which is defined in the ifi_defines.h as

Code:

#define LOW_INT_VECTOR 0x818

...but what it does is insert the InterruptVectorLow "routine" into code memory starting at absolute address x0818. Each named code section must have a unique name, and by convention the section is named after the routine in it by the programmer just to make it easy to keep things understandable.

This might seem weird as the hardware vector addresses for the PIC18F are:

Code:

0000 - reset

0008 - high priority interrupt vector

0018 - low priority interrupt vector

But the first x800 addresses contain a bootloader (my guess) and is a protected code block (also my guess) so that it isn't accidently overwritten. That means we cannot directly stuff our own interrupt routines at the real PIC vector addresses. Instead, the x0008 will contain a jump to 0x0808 and x0018 will contain a jump to x0818 to revector the interrupts outside of the protected code area so we can insert our interrupt routines there.

See section 2.8 of the compiler user's guide. Pragmas tend to be hints to the compiler and linker as to the programmer's intent. A #pragma code indicates that the following contains executable code, vs a #pragma romdata which would indicate the following contains variables and data.

This section of the manual is a little misleading. The #pragma interrruptlow is used to declare a low priority interrupt handler, but what it REALLY does is change how the compiler works for the named routine. It inserts a context save at the beginning of the routine, a context restore at the end of the routine, and changes return not to a PIC18F RETURN instruction as it would for "normal" functions, but a RETFIE (return and enable interrupts).

Code:

025E4    InterruptHandlerHigh 

            ; context save, minimum by this version of the compiler

            ; by default is STATUS, BSR (bank select register), and W register

 02E4     CFD8                    MOVFF STATUS, PREINC1                

 025E6    FFE4                     NOP                                    

 025E8    CFE0                     MOVFF BSR, PREINC1                     

 025EA    FFE4                     NOP                                    

 025EC    6EE4                     MOVWF PREINC1, ACCESS       

:

.

            ; ok, this is the end of the handler, restore context of W, BSR,

            ; and then STATUS before returning to user code

 0261A    50E5                     MOVF POSTDEC1, W, ACCESS               

 0261C    CFE5                     MOVFF POSTDEC1, BSR                    

 0261E    FFE0                     NOP                                    

 02620    CFE5                     MOVFF POSTDEC1, STATUS                 

 02622    FFD8                     NOP                                    

 02624    0010                     RETFIE 0

If the interrupt routine uses other ram or special registers that are considered compiler managed resources, then they too have to be saved. The math and tmp sections are used by the compiler for math functions and as temporary working registers. Since a user may be in the middle of using these, then if the interrupt routine uses them they also need to be saved. Extending the pragma to list these will have the compiler add more code to save these ram sections as part of the context save/restore code it generates. Looking in the map file, you can see what all is included in these sections.

Quote:

MATH_DATA udata 0x000017 data 0x000014
.tmpdata udata 0x00002b data 0x00000c
AARGB7 0x000017 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
REMB3 0x000017 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
AARGB6 0x000018 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
REMB2 0x000018 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
AARGB5 0x000019 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
REMB1 0x000019 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
AARGB4 0x00001a data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
REMB0 0x00001a data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
AARGB3 0x00001b data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
AARGB2 0x00001c data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
AARGB1 0x00001d data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
AARGB0 0x00001e data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
AEXP 0x00001f data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\aarg.asm
BARGB3 0x000020 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\barg.asm
BARGB2 0x000021 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\barg.asm
BARGB1 0x000022 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\barg.asm
BARGB0 0x000023 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\barg.asm
BEXP 0x000024 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\barg.asm
SIGN 0x000025 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\cmath18.asm
FPFLAGS 0x000026 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\cmath18.asm
FPFLAGSbits 0x000026 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\cmath18.asm
TEMPB3 0x000027 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\temparg.asm
TEMPB2 0x000028 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\temparg.asm
TEMPB1 0x000029 data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\temparg.asm
TEMPB0 0x00002a data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\temparg.asm
TEMP 0x00002a data extern C:\MCC18\SRC\TRADIT~1\MATH\temparg.asm
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\eclipseprojects\EasyCRuntime\OI.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\eclipseprojects\EasyCRuntime\InputOutput.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\mcc18\src\TRADIT~1\pmc\ADC\adcread.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\eclipseprojects\EasyCRuntime\Motors.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\eclipseprojects\EasyCRuntime\WPILib.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\eclipseprojects\EasyCRuntime\clock.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\mcc18\src\TRADIT~1\stdclib\printf.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\mcc18\src\TRADIT~1\stdclib\vfprintf.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\mcc18\src\TRADIT~1\stdclib\putc.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\CPrj\2007\FrcCode_2007_8722\user_routines.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\CPrj\2007\FrcCode_2007_8722\user_SerialDrv.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\CPrj\2007\FrcCode_2007_8722\main.c
__tmp_0 0x00002b data static C:\CPrj\2007\FrcCode_2007_8722\mylib_isrclock.c

The PRODH/PRODL are where the multiplier product is stuffed. An 8bit x 8bit multiplication yields a 16 bit project, hence the two 8 bit registers. The compiler also uses these registers for various other things, including return values from int fuctions() (the W register is used for char return values from functions).

This is just one facet of interrupt routines that make it so interesting to make bullet proof interrupt handlers that always works. Other registers that could/might need to be saved are the table registers, FSRs, and others that are used by the compiler for various purposes including array computions and accesses. The safest thing to do is add a long list of things to save... but that slows down the interrupt routine by increasing the size of the context that needs to be saved... but it is the safest.

To save a minimum context requires the programmer to analyze the interrupt routine code generated to see which registers and ram are used and make sure they are in the saved context.

There are lots of games that can be played to reduce context save time. One way is to save a minimum context for the main interrupt routine and then save a different/fuller context for each specific handler.

Code:

#pragma interruptlow __InterruptHandlerLow save=PROD /* You may want to save additional symbols. */



void __InterruptHandlerLow ()     

{                               

  unsigned char int_byte;       

  if (INTCON3bits.INT2IF && INTCON3bits.INT2IE)       /* The INT2 pin is RB2/DIG I/O 1. */

  { 

    INTCON3bits.INT2IF = 0;

    HandleInt2();

  }

  else if (INTCON3bits.INT3IF && INTCON3bits.INT3IE)  /* The INT3 pin is RB3/DIG I/O 2. */

  {

    INTCON3bits.INT3IF = 0;

    HandleInt3();

  }

  else if (INTCONbits.RBIF && INTCONbits.RBIE)  /* DIG I/O 3-6 (RB4, RB5, RB6, or RB7) changed. */

  {

    int_byte = PORTB;          /* You must read or write to PORTB */

    INTCONbits.RBIF = 0;     /*     and clear the interrupt flag         */

  }                                        /*     to clear the interrupt condition.  */

  else

  { 

    CheckUartInts();    /* For Dynamic Debug Tool or buffered printf features. */

  }

}

#pragma code

#pragma interruptlow HandlerInt2 save=PROD,section("MATH_DATA"),section(".tmpdata") /* You may want to save additional symbols. */

void HandlerInt2() {return;}

void HandlerInt3() {return;}

In the code above, the main interrupt handler just saves W,BSR, and STATUS. If HandlerInt2() is called, it also save PROD, math and tmp sections. But if HandlerInt3() is called, then no additional context is saved. [NOTE: there is a minor problem doing something like above, but I'll leave figuring out what as an exercise to the user :-)]

As I said, lots of different games can be played with the pragmas but all require programmers to understand what they are asking the compiler to do and why. Its one of the reasons that the save list tends to grow to fairly extensive lengths.

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

In the code example above, the PROD registers are saved/restored in a nested manner although from the discussion this was not intended.

The W,BSR, and STATUS registers are also saved/restored in a nested manner when the strategy described above is used and you might be better off writing your own version of whatever math routine that you need, with its own internal state, that does not require saving/restoring MATH_DATA if performance is an issue.

In addition to the business of saving/restoring data that the interrupt handler uses you also have to worry about race conditions when communicating multi-byte data between the interrupt handler and the main program. The individual bytes of a multi-byte value are read/written one at a time on the micro-controller and the interrupt can strike between these individual reads/writes, leading to a corrupt multi-byte value being transferred between the interrupt handlers and the main program.

So, write that interrupt code and associated accessor routines with care...

Eugene

Re: Code error causing robot to go into programming mode.

The real gotcha is upon returning from HandlerInt2() in the example, interrupts are turned back on by the RETFIE at the end of HandlerInt2. Not too much of a problem unless the machine is saturated with interrupts and then a stack overflow condition may randomly occur due to nesting of the main interrupt handler. Turning interrupts back off in the main isr upon return would limit the exposure to this problem to only 1-2 instruction cycles. But there are better methods that can be used to avoid this althogether.