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Jack Jones 22-02-2008 09:55

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
 
[quote=maltz1881;704028... I think it is going to be a ton of fun. We are doing things a little different. We will have donated prizes like batteries, tools etc instead of trophies. Kettering who is the top engineering school out there has graciously donated the space for this fun event.[/QUOTE]

I hear that many teams like CD, WildStang, Martians, and company have so many trophys that they use them for door stops and hammers. ;) ;) Too bad there wasn't a Rookie Regional to start them off right.

The RR now has 23 registered teams. They only need one more (and for all to show up) to fill the elimination rounds.

One more rookie team out there should not pass up such a deal. You will get to play in the eliminations. You will get at least 16 qualifying matches*. That's two regionals worth of playing time, and all for $500!!!!

*calculated using a very generous ten minute separation between match. The usual separation is seven minutes.

GaryVoshol 22-02-2008 10:40

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
 
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Originally Posted by Jack Jones (Post 704940)
The RR now has 23 registered teams. They only need one more (and for all to show up) to fill the elimination rounds.

Is registration still open? How does that work now, with robots already in transit to a Regional somewhere else?

I'm looking forward to working at the tournament.

Jack Jones 22-02-2008 10:54

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
 
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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 704960)
Is registration still open? How does that work now, with robots already in transit to a Regional somewhere else?

I'm looking forward to working at the tournament.

D'oh! You are right - it would be a major hassle to divert a crate.

Seeing as how teams only have one rookie year, that deal is gone for good!

GaryVoshol 22-02-2008 11:02

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
 
So now the question becomes how to trick the scoring system into creating a 7-alliance finals. Copioli knows how to do it by hand, and how NOT to do it automatically (something about no such Team Zero), as found out at ARC last year.

Cynette 22-02-2008 15:20

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
 
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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 704985)
So now the question becomes how to trick the scoring system into creating a 7-alliance finals. Copioli knows how to do it by hand, and how NOT to do it automatically (something about no such Team Zero), as found out at ARC last year.

While I'm sure there is a story with a chuckle behind this post...
I remember seeing somewhere along the way, using all the teams to form alliances with one alliance incomplete (I would guess it was the 8th seeded), and then running the first quarterfinal and selecting the highest ranked team eliminated in that first QF to fill the partial alliance. That way all of the teams still play in the elimination rounds.

Good luck to all of the participants!

jgannon 22-02-2008 15:33

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
 
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Originally Posted by Cynette (Post 705127)
I remember seeing somewhere along the way, using all the teams to form alliances with one alliance incomplete (I would guess it was the 8th seeded), and then running the first quarterfinal and selecting the highest ranked team eliminated in that first QF to fill the partial alliance. That way all of the teams still play in the elimination rounds.

Because there were only 24 teams at the Pittsburgh regional in 2006, and there needed to be substitutes available, they ran a seven-alliance elimination bracket, and the #1 alliance got a first-round bye.

GaryVoshol 22-02-2008 15:38

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 704985)
So now the question becomes how to trick the scoring system into creating a 7-alliance finals. Copioli knows how to do it by hand, and how NOT to do it automatically (something about no such Team Zero), as found out at ARC last year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynette (Post 705127)
While I'm sure there is a story with a chuckle behind this post...
I remember seeing somewhere along the way, using all the teams to form alliances with one alliance incomplete (I would guess it was the 8th seeded), and then running the first quarterfinal and selecting the highest ranked team eliminated in that first QF to fill the partial alliance. That way all of the teams still play in the elimination rounds.

Good luck to all of the participants!

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Originally Posted by jgannon (Post 705134)
Because there were only 24 teams at the Pittsburgh regional in 2006, and there needed to be substitutes available, they ran a seven-alliance elimination bracket, and the #1 alliance got a first-round bye.

That's what happened at ARC as well - 7 alliances with the first alliance getting a bye (or winning 2 games against non-existant alliance 8, if you want to think of it that way).

The amusing part was though everyone knew the concept, the scoring software couldn't be convinced that Alliance 8 consisted of Teams 0, 0 and 0. We were all ready to go, but couldn't cue up a match on the field software.

Jack Jones 29-02-2008 12:03

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
 
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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 705141)
That's what happened at ARC as well - 7 alliances with the first alliance getting a bye (or winning 2 games against non-existant alliance 8, if you want to think of it that way).

The amusing part was though everyone knew the concept, the scoring software couldn't be convinced that Alliance 8 consisted of Teams 0, 0 and 0. We were all ready to go, but couldn't cue up a match on the field software.

I, for one, do not like that idea because it means that two teams won't get into the eliminations unless they're called up as substitutes.

I'd rather see them have placebo robot(s) for the entire competition. Many veteran teams in the area have practice robots that could fiil the schedule. All 23 teams would get into the elims, and if a few veterains come and fill in, they could substitute for any rookies that fall by the wayside.

Another option I've seen done at RahChaCha, was to have the first seed select only one partner, and then sit out until the other side of the bracket produced a losing alliance. The #1 seed then adopted the lowest seed from that first eliminated alliance. So, every team got to play; the #1 seed didn't get a bye (but did have three robots); and one lucky team got second chance - with the #1 alliance to boot!!!


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