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ggoldman 16-12-2007 20:54

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I think i know who dave really is.....




Virtual DONUTS!!!

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Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 659968)
hey - Dave gets excited about ANY Krispy Kremes!!!



-dave



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Elgin Clock 16-12-2007 21:11

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Originally Posted by vivek16 (Post 660011)
lol

this is my FIRST "game hint season"... I'm pretty excited.

Ahem. "...game hint season..."

Don't forget the 3 periods on either side of the statement as laid out in the e-mail. It could be relevant. ;)

sishu7 16-12-2007 21:12

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I've gotten a hint...

Can't comment on who said it, but I asked an insider "have you started building the field yet?"

I got the answer, "Actually, there isn't much to build..."

??? Any speculations combining this with the mysterious item received?

Libby K 16-12-2007 21:14

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Originally Posted by Kristian Calhoun (Post 660008)
Emphasis mine. :rolleyes: :p

Yes, but michelle said it first. Promise.

sishu7 16-12-2007 21:16

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C'mon... it's a decent hint (OK, not really). But it's something, right?

Where is all that FIRST creativity and speculation?

Richard McClellan 16-12-2007 21:17

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Originally Posted by dragon ninja (Post 659960)
i was thinking of an explanation the email not being the usual FIRST email blast. Perhaps, if the email's were indeed falsified, the perpetrator(s) searched the CD members list for those listing their team role as a mentor, and sent the supposed FIRST email to them (accounting for alternate contacts who have not received the email). The email inconsistency and the fact that i cannot navigate to the circuit board documentation using the FIRST site (I can only get to it through the URL in the picture) both keep me hesitant to totally believe this is the real deal. But then again, maybe it is.

Nope, I'm the alternate contact and my team role is listed as "Mentor" and I didn't get the email. Also, I think it would be very difficult to extract email addresses from user profiles.
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Originally Posted by Libby K (Post 659971)
also...
Maybe the fact that only some people have gotten it has to do with their status? Who's paid for their events?

This could probably be the reason. Our team has gotten either official or unofficial confirmation of the $6000 regional payment for BAE Systems, but the funds have not actually gone through yet and our status is still "Registered" but "Unpaid." Of the teams that didn't get the email and/or package...is this true for you too?

EricH 16-12-2007 21:21

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Originally Posted by richardmcc2 (Post 660031)
Nope, I'm the alternate contact and my team role is listed as "Mentor" and I didn't get the email. Also, I think it would be very difficult to extract email addresses from user profiles.

Easy to send an email via the profiles, but it would come from a chiefdephi address. No hoaxer would dare to do that if he was serious.

I think it has something to do with having paid.

sishu7 16-12-2007 21:22

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Originally Posted by sishu7 (Post 660026)
I've gotten a hint...

Can't comment on who said it, but I asked an insider "have you started building the field yet?"

I got the answer, "Actually, there isn't much to build..."

??? Any speculations combining this with the mysterious item received?

PLEASE...

I'll start. The piece sent to us goes on the robot, and interacts with field elements. The field is almost solely this, and so more software than hardware-based.

OR there is some device above some small central scoring location, but most of the challenge has to do with easily gotten manipulatives (beach balls, whatever)

Yes, I'm bad at theories.

Anyone?

joeweber 16-12-2007 21:22

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http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...%20_121007.pdf
Do you think it will use the back up battery , and will we still use the camera with it.

synth3tk 16-12-2007 21:25

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Originally Posted by sishu7 (Post 660026)
I've gotten a hint...

Can't comment on who said it, but I asked an insider "have you started building the field yet?"

I got the answer, "Actually, there isn't much to build..."

??? Any speculations combining this with the mysterious item received?

ha. haha. Nice "hint" dude. It would take someone all of five minutes to create and validate a new account. ha. ha ha ha. GET TO DA CHOPPER, NOW!!!

joeweber 16-12-2007 21:26

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could the came peice have an area that you must trigger with the ir sensor, and it will change the lights from red to blue or blue to red? We may have to fight over getting to that spot to trigger it.

wilmo 16-12-2007 21:41

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air game anyone?

I like the laser-tag like game or the one where we tag bases with the ir, but very very very simple bots for that

T3_1565 16-12-2007 22:16

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I don't see a laser tag game, strictly based on the fact it would be boring for spectators to watch, I don't think it's a piece at all, but I do like the idea of it sending red / blue signals in auto so you having to find out which goal is yours

synth3tk 16-12-2007 22:27

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It IS the game piece!!! First team to destroy it with it's IR beam wins. Bonus points to the first alliance who can clean up the tiny fragments. Good luck, volunteers. No special handling instructions will be sent. God Speed.

Akash Rastogi 16-12-2007 22:32

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Originally Posted by blakcheez (Post 660063)
It IS the game piece!!! First team to destroy it with it's IR beam wins. Bonus points to the first alliance who can clean up the tiny fragments. Good luck, volunteers. No special handling instructions will be sent. God Speed.

lmao, ...nice

vivek16 16-12-2007 22:34

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Originally Posted by blakcheez (Post 660063)
It IS the game piece!!! First team to destroy it with it's IR beam wins. Bonus points to the first alliance who can clean up the tiny fragments. Good luck, volunteers. No special handling instructions will be sent. God Speed.

lol... wouldn't a concentrated flame thrower be considered an IR "beam"? sweet.:cool:

legomaster3945 16-12-2007 23:01

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im so happy yet sad
i have to wait another day for game hint because it was just anounced we have no school tommorow
but im happy cus of no school
now i get another day to ponder bout the hint for a whole day :)

blaxbb 16-12-2007 23:03

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Originally Posted by vivek16 (Post 660068)
lol... wouldn't a concentrated flame thrower be considered an IR "beam"? sweet.:cool:

i don't think Most Innovative Flamethrower Design is part of the message FIRST is trying to send :yikes:

Chaos Marine 16-12-2007 23:13

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so this is the offical game hint hmmm. What to do? what to do?? time to sound the alarms boys and girls its time to turn your motors on and get to thinkin how we are going to do this. Now that this is step 1, what will be step 2?...

Arefin Bari 16-12-2007 23:29

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Originally Posted by Chaos Marine (Post 660078)
what will be step 2?...

... sleep for the next 20 days. =)

sishu7 16-12-2007 23:41

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Don't laugh at me!

vivek16 16-12-2007 23:50

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hope for a riddle as a second gaem hint. :cool:

-vivek

sishu7 16-12-2007 23:55

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"Anonymous" message...

1359th Scalawag 17-12-2007 00:36

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From what I read on the First website about it, it seems to be a remote-sensor. They say it can be used with universal remotes and such. First thing that comes to mind, is that you would install one of these in your garage door to be able to open it with a remote. Other possibilities could be televisions or whatever.

But a guess to what the game could be about: Each team's human player gets a remote which can only open one door (or possibly do some other things) And they could open and close that door for whatever strategic reasons... And that's as great of a guess you're ever gonna get out of me. :p

Frank Neuperger 17-12-2007 03:07

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Perhaps game pieces will have IR emiters and the points earned depends on which peice you capture/deposit/neutralize. i.e. 4 different points values.. one for each code. This device can help you sort out or decide which game piece to go after.

BanksKid 17-12-2007 08:12

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Originally Posted by Simon Strauss (Post 659829)
We are given a rainbow ribbon wire for an infrared receiver, am i the only one who thinks the absence of ultra violet means something?

perhaps ultra violet is supposed to clue us to some sort of sun related theme or game piece.

ultra violet isn't a directly visible frequency of the emag spectrum.

JBotAlan 17-12-2007 08:25

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Since I was bored today by the snow day (and it's only 8:30 am...) I whipped up a driver for this board in case we end up needing to put it on the robot.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=60170

JBot

T3_1565 17-12-2007 08:27

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lucky you for snow days I can't even get on delphi for more than the time I'm on it right now lol. at least you can think about the game hint :(

wilsonmw04 17-12-2007 08:39

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so from what i've read, either there is going to be a new way of controlling our robots this year or some sort of IR emitter will be part of the game. here's the questions i have:
1. Why would they send us "teaching instructions" if the IR frequencies are going to be controlled by the field?
2.If IR is going to be a field element, are we going to be use the remotes for practice?
3. Why hasn't my team received ours yet??

Stephen Kowski 17-12-2007 08:46

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Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 659531)
OK, so since I was bored, and looking at the pic of the board for quite some time.. I decided to google some random things and see what I can find.

The order of the D codes above the LED's is D2, D5, D4, D3 & then D1.

I wouldn't think too hard on this, almost every electrical engineering software product just autonumbers depending on which Diode you place first. They aren't "D-codes" it is just how you represent Diode1 and Diode2 on a schematic.

T3_1565 17-12-2007 08:48

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well I can try to answer that for you.

1.Teaching instruction can be so you can set-up your own field much like every other year (the KOP came with cathodes last year to set up your own field)

2. If the competition were, say, switching the goal colours during the match, you would have to have something to switch your own colour on your own field.

3. We haven't got it ethier :(

MrForbes 17-12-2007 08:50

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Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 660141)
1. Why would they send us "teaching instructions" if the IR frequencies are going to be controlled by the field?
2.If IR is going to be a field element, are we going to be use the remotes for practice?
3. Why hasn't my team received ours yet??

1. The IR frequencies might be controlled by the field, but you can't play with the board and get it working unless you can use it with whatever controller you happen to have laying around...so you need to be able to "teach" it. And perhaps the field personnel or someone else will have to "teach" it something before the competitions or matches.

2. Good question!

3. Same reason our team has not received ours yet....that's how the shipping process works. This is a fun way to teach us patience.

fimmel 17-12-2007 09:17

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ill find out tonight if we got ours :)

GaryVoshol 17-12-2007 10:04

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Our senior mentor forwarded the email; she didn't mention if she got a package.

JesseK 17-12-2007 10:31

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My apologies if this has been previously stated, but I read through 11 pages of this thread and concluded that you guys talk ALOT.

Is this legit?
The unfathomable scenario of a late or forgotten part in the KOP would have been discovered probably in this exact time frame, probably just after they shipped some of the KOP boxes off to their coinciding Kickoff venues. At this point, someone at FIRST got the bright idea to turn this logistical blunder into one of the best-conceived baiting game hints ever.

However it's also interesting (but maybe coincidental) that this is released the weekend before the end of registration for new teams.

My hypothesis is that it's for 4 different light colors and will replace or enhance that hard-to-calibrate green light/CMUCam setup.

Elgin Clock 17-12-2007 10:36

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Originally Posted by Stephen Kowski (Post 660142)
I wouldn't think too hard on this, almost every electrical engineering software product just autonumbers depending on which Diode you place first. They aren't "D-codes" it is just how you represent Diode1 and Diode2 on a schematic.

Me? Think too hard? Never. lol
Ask anyone who knows me, that's not my style.
:p :rolleyes:

I was just having some fun with numbers. I could pull a million little "facts" like this from just looking at the board & Googling things (and I have), but thought the levels connection would stir up some lively conversations. :D


By the way, what are the chances this intergrates with the USB chicklet?
Any takers on that theory, or is it even possible to use both simutaneously in a system of some sort?

JBotAlan 17-12-2007 10:49

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Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 660163)
By the way, what are the chances this intergrates with the USB chicklet?
Any takers on that theory, or is it even possible to use both simutaneously in a system of some sort?

You can use them simultaneously, depending on what you do with them. The chicklet doesn't care what it controls; it just translates digital into analog. The IR board, if used for the robot at all, very likely will not be connected to the OI at all. So it is just another sensor on the robot. It won't integrate with the Chicklet--the Chicklet only knows about USB; the IR board is just a single pulse on a wire.

I'm really, really interested to see how this ties in. It would be really cool to interface with on the robot...especially if the alpha-quality code I wrote this morning actually works with it flawlessly...:D

JBot

pschre 17-12-2007 10:57

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Originally Posted by Simon Strauss (Post 659829)
We are given a rainbow ribbon wire for an infrared receiver, am i the only one who thinks the absence of ultra violet means something?

perhaps ultra violet is supposed to clue us to some sort of sun related theme or game piece.

In light of the fact (no pun intended...ok maybe pun intended) that we've been mailed an actual component instead of a cryptic riddle or image, I think that mostly everyone is totally justified in speculating what the IR sensor means in terms of its function & possible applications...

But I can't shake the feeling that a symbolic reading of the thing, like Simon says, might turn out to have value, too, though it may be a longshot. I dunno, maybe I'm just stubborn to adjust to this hands-on hint style, but I wouldn't put it past the GDC to pack some symbolism into these lovely December gifts. That said, I have nothing else to add to the ultraviolet interpretation. (Except...Milla Jovovich...)

Other peoples' ideas that I think I like (forgive me for no citation):

1) The 4 signals could mean more than one autonomous task during the game, at certain times during a match the field would switch all robots to another channel...but my issue with this is that multiple autonomous options is probably beyond the capabilities of a fair # of teams...maybe there would be other tasks for robots who aren't packing multiple autonomous modes, and those robots' channel 3 would just remain driver control, for example. But then that's a LOT of stuff going on in every match...

2) The 4 signals could determine zones, a la 2002's Zone Zeal except not pre-determined zones. And for teams that don't capitalize on using this IR board, since it's not characteristic of FIRST to make aspects of the game that some teams will be totally shut out from doing (any previous use of the camera or IR follow-the-line sensor in autonomous could attempt to be mimicked by a dead reckoning autonomous), maybe after some seconds have elapsed, whatever invisible indication has been given via IR will become visible for everyone else.

Maybe, the zone layout will be concentric circles, and/or IR transmitters on the field will be positioned like planets...and/or the IR transmitter will be in the center of the field and whatever goals/scoring elements will be scattered around like planets. I'm just grasping at the aforementioned possible Sun idea.

Kevin Sevcik 17-12-2007 11:32

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And now for some anti-speculation of sorts. In my opinion, this isn't going to be useful outside of autonomous mode. Or at least only marginally useful. Why? because if it was exceedingly useful outside of autonomous, it would have to be indicating something on the field that drivers and the audience couldn't see. And any scoring method or game influencing state that's invisible to the audience will drive them absolutely batty and quickly frustrate them. Similarly, I fully expect that whatever this indicates during autonomous mode will be readily apparent to spectators. And thus could be potentially determined by the robot by other means. It's just that those other means are probably going to be a lot more complex and less reliable.

This is all assuming, of course, that this is something we put on the robot to find out about something on the field.

MrForbes 17-12-2007 11:36

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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 660169)
This is all assuming, of course, that this is something we put on the robot to find out about something on the field.

That's right, it could just be overstock that they are giving away because no one will buy it :)

EricH 17-12-2007 11:46

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Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 660161)
Is this legit?

This was discussed in about the first 11 pages. Consensus is that it is legit. The main reason for thinking it isn't is that some teams don't have theirs yet.

Elgin Clock 17-12-2007 12:09

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Anyone thought of the possibility of a IR sensor on the robot to see in darkened conditions?
This would cut some costs as far as field lighting is concerned as well. :yikes:
Rather than making a target of some kind brighter (ie: going from a painted green panel to a bright light), do the opposite, & make the field darker.

In the past a lot of technology that has been introduced in the kit is a low cost and/or stripped down version of what the big names in science & technology have used.
(oh.. i don't know.. like NASA for instance?) ;)


On that note, do some googling of the word "QWIP" & "NASA".
Some interesting stuff happening there, even if it isn't directly tied in with what we will be doing with IR.

But who knows for sure? :confused:



I'll tell you who knows.
The Shadow knows! :rolleyes:

rees2001 17-12-2007 12:09

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Strangely I got the e-mail for 1 of my 2 teams that I am the team leader for. I Used to get 2 of every e-mail now I only get 1. It may be because we still have to pay for the second team. I called our receiving department today to see if I got it & the FedEx truck hasn't come in yet. I'll let you know if & when it/they come in.

As for the uses... we'll see.

T3_1565 17-12-2007 12:40

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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 660169)
In my opinion, this isn't going to be useful outside of autonomous mode.

I completely agree with this statement. I can see it being a replacement for the camera so that more and more teams can do auto mode (as far as I have heard this thing is easier to program) I can also see it being used for bonus points (end game).

If we end up having a game with invisible pieces or invisable zones or what-not, the crowd will not being nearly as "in to it" as they normally are.

Pavan Dave 17-12-2007 12:47

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Originally Posted by T3_1565 (Post 660186)
I completely agree with this statement. I can see it being a replacement for the camera so that more and more teams can do auto mode (as far as I have heard this thing is easier to program) I can also see it being used for bonus points (end game).

If we end up having a game with invisible pieces or invisable zones or what-not, the crowd will not being nearly as "in to it" as they normally are.

I think this is the 3 colored light thing from '06 ATL. I think that the IR will be for robots and that the "signals" (light, radio, etc.) that the field piece(s) will give off will not be consistent throughout game play. Anybody find this a reasonable assumption?


/Pavan

JesseK 17-12-2007 12:51

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Originally Posted by T3_1565 (Post 660186)
I completely agree with this statement. I can see it being a replacement for the camera so that more and more teams can do auto mode (as far as I have heard this thing is easier to program) I can also see it being used for bonus points (end game).

If we end up having a game with invisible pieces or invisable zones or what-not, the crowd will not being nearly as "in to it" as they normally are.

They might make a zone that's visible to the crowd but not visible to the players, or one that's very obscurred for the players (i.e. they can see where their robot is but not what it's picking up)

Quote:

This was discussed in about the first 11 pages. Consensus is that it is legit. The main reason for thinking it isn't is that some teams don't have theirs yet.
Sorry, of course it's legit ... just trying to offer a practical conspiracy theory for the timing and content of the clue.

Storcky 17-12-2007 12:58

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I'm not sure this is possible, but it would be pretty cool for spectators (not really drive teams) if the virtual pieces showed up on the video, but not on the field.

I'm not sure if we have a board yet or not. We should have a meeting tonight to find out.

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Originally Posted by Leav (Post 659579)
Official word says that Israeli teams will only get this at the kickoff..... :ahh:

This should help you on the speculating side I guess... It can't be that critical to send it out early if the ~40 teams here don't et it till the kickoff...

-Leav

How do you know this? I agree that it can't be that important if so many aren't getting it, but knowing that other people have it and we don't yet is driving me crazy!:ahh:

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Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 660191)
They might make a zone that's visible to the crowd but not visible to the players, or one that's very obscurred for the players (i.e. they can see where their robot is but not what it's picking up)

You beat me to it.

Sparks333 17-12-2007 13:22

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Looking at the picture, I think this may be a field element. As a sensor for the robot, is really is rather large and bulky - like the camera, but with twice as much space taken up for diagnostics. Secondly, I can't see this being used for homing of any kind whatsoever - there is only one sensor on it, and it doesn't give signal strength, just whether or not it sees something. That doesn't lend itself to differentiation, therefore, no homing. IR homing is a pain anyway, so no real loss. Just my $0.02

Kevin Sevcik 17-12-2007 13:53

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Originally Posted by Sparks333 (Post 660199)
Looking at the picture, I think this may be a field element. As a sensor for the robot, is really is rather large and bulky - like the camera, but with twice as much space taken up for diagnostics. Secondly, I can't see this being used for homing of any kind whatsoever - there is only one sensor on it, and it doesn't give signal strength, just whether or not it sees something. That doesn't lend itself to differentiation, therefore, no homing. IR homing is a pain anyway, so no real loss. Just my $0.02

It's like 3" by 1.5". I don't think it's really that big for putting on the robot. And if it's a field sensor, why hand it out? And where are the transmitters we'll be putting on the robots? Unless the challenge this year is for the robot to punch buttons on a universal remote. In a specific pattern..... Wait. Are we finally being tasked with the holy grail of robotics? Do we get to design robots that will program VCRs and thus end the scourge of blinking "12:00" LEDs in living rooms across the world?

Ben Piecuch 17-12-2007 13:58

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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 660169)
In my opinion, this isn't going to be useful outside of autonomous mode. Or at least only marginally useful. Why? because if it was exceedingly useful outside of autonomous, it would have to be indicating something on the field that drivers and the audience couldn't see. And any scoring method or game influencing state that's invisible to the audience will drive them absolutely batty and quickly frustrate them. Similarly, I fully expect that whatever this indicates during autonomous mode will be readily apparent to spectators. And thus could be potentially determined by the robot by other means. It's just that those other means are probably going to be a lot more complex and less reliable.

I find it hard to believe that FIRST would go through the trouble of making this component, and then only using it for Autonomous. Here's a little history to prove this.

In '04, our first year with a "targeted" Autonomous, the game was poorly designed and didn't take advantage of this target after autonomous.

In '05, we "could" have used the camera for more than autonomous, but again, the game design didn't lend itself to using it.

In '06, the target was highly used by most successful teams in both autonomous and during the human operated period, and clearly communicated to the audience which team was allowed to score.

In '07, the target was again highly used by most successful teams in autonomous, and was designed to have been used during the game as a scoring aide. I'm not sure how many teams used it outside of autonomous.

In '08? Why would FIRST design a game that only allowed the use of this technology in a finite amount of time? Why wouldn't they want us to use it for the entire match? I think (okay, hope) that they've figured out how to properly integrate this in with the rest of the game. How they may have done that, well, that's their secret for a couple weeks. Whether it requires audience feedback is a different story. I'm wondering if this is going to replace the CMUCamera, or be an addition to it.

BEN

T3_1565 17-12-2007 14:04

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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 660210)
And if it's a field sensor, why hand it out?

I believe it's handed out:
a) so you can make your own field (much like the cathodes we got last year) and
b) as a clue, as far as I can tell (I may be completely wrong) the clues for the past couple of years (last year for sure) the clue has been something about the field elements.

Does anyone know where I can find previous years hints/clues???

Elgin Clock 17-12-2007 14:18

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Originally Posted by T3_1565 (Post 660215)
Does anyone know where I can find previous years hints/clues???

An almost complete list.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ighlight=clues

Ian Curtis 17-12-2007 14:27

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Originally Posted by sishu7 (Post 660089)
Don't laugh at me!

My hint is real, told to me by a our regional FIRST co-ordinator. If you don't believe me, fine... it's your loss.

Either you'll eat your words when you see the field, or our co-ordinator is having a great laugh at my expense (which is not really like her...)

In order to know the game before Kickoff, there's a pretty hefty Non Disclosure Agreement that goes along with it. Your Regional Coordinator probably isn't authorized to give hints, as the only meaningful one is from the GDC as a whole (despite the fact that we rip through everything Dave says).

But additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if there was very little on the field. In 2005 the field was a bunch of PVC lengths and some special pieces to fit them together. In 2002 the field was 4 goals on casters and a bunch of soccer balls.

FIRST had a thing for mobile goals for a very long time, and I only got one year of them. I'd kind like it if we got some more to play with (and if the field is relatively empty, that means its possible we will get them).

Billfred 17-12-2007 14:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 660210)
It's like 3" by 1.5". I don't think it's really that big for putting on the robot. And if it's a field sensor, why hand it out? And where are the transmitters we'll be putting on the robots? Unless the challenge this year is for the robot to punch buttons on a universal remote. In a specific pattern..... Wait. Are we finally being tasked with the holy grail of robotics? Do we get to design robots that will program VCRs and thus end the scourge of blinking "12:00" LEDs in living rooms across the world?

It seems, judging from the code already being passed around and the size, that it could go on the robot to interact with the field.

Now, granted, an IR remote in the stands could get messy--but the documentation I've read seems to indicate you can get other IR receivers for different frequencies beyond those normally used on TV remotes. What if FIRST gave us these to design our robots around, then gave us a board with a different, harder-to-interfere-with receiver component (but the same interface as far as the robot cares) to run on the field?

T3_1565 17-12-2007 14:39

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Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 660217)

thanks, seems what I said only applied to last year. please ignore point b. lol

JBotAlan 17-12-2007 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 660223)
It seems, judging from the code already being passed around

That code was written by me. I don't even have a hardware part yet. I have received no extra hint, but merely followed the spec sheet assuming this goes on the robot.

The fact that code is being passed around doesn't prove anything, as it's not IFI/FIRST-official code.

Just thought I'd better point that out.

JBot

Elgin Clock 17-12-2007 15:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JBotAlan (Post 660247)
That code was written by me. I don't even have a hardware part yet. I have received no extra hint, but merely followed the spec sheet assuming this goes on the robot.

The fact that code is being passed around doesn't prove anything, as it's not IFI/FIRST-official code.

Just thought I'd better point that out.

JBot

It may be wise to change the title of your thread to "unofficial FIRST IR Code" or something like that.

Just a thought so if/when there is an official one released, it won't be confused on the boards here.

dlavery 17-12-2007 15:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Piecuch (Post 660212)
In '04, our first year with a "targeted" Autonomous, the game was poorly designed ...

Ouch.



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T3_1565 17-12-2007 15:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 660251)
Ouch.

uh oh... dave is in the thread :p:p

EricH 17-12-2007 15:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by T3_1565 (Post 660252)
uh oh... dave is in the thread :p:p

...Again. How is he messing with our minds this time?

Kevin Sevcik 17-12-2007 16:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Piecuch (Post 660212)
I find it hard to believe that FIRST would go through the trouble of making this component, and then only using it for Autonomous. Here's a little history to prove this.

Perhaps I should rephrase that. I intended to say that it would only be necessary in autonomous. Simply from the reasoning that it would be quite out of character for the GDC to design a game where the only option for success in auto OR tele-op was to use this sensor on your robot so you could tell which whatsit needs what gizmo to maximize your points. Like I said, there will at least be visual clues for the spectators to follow along with that would clue in drivers. And I refuse to believe that the the GDC would make something like this absolutely mandatory to having a successful robot.

T3_1565 17-12-2007 16:04

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I agree once again (we sure think a-like) I can't see it being the only for the robot to work, I can see it help, and I can see it the most help in auto mode (or perhaps end game)

www.divsys.com 17-12-2007 16:11

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The assemblies and function of this board are very real. I think this year will be a fun one for all the teams. ;)

diversified systems

AdamHeard 17-12-2007 16:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by www.divsys.com (Post 660265)
The assemblies and function of this board are very real. I think this year will be a fun one for all the teams. ;)

diversified systems

Any way of knowing if this user is legitimate?

njamietech 17-12-2007 16:22

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I have a hard time believing this is legit.

The Dean Kamen post earlier was a little more real (yet still suspicious).

This user needs to be investigated on.

Can a mod do this please?

JaneYoung 17-12-2007 16:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 660254)
...Again. How is he messing with our minds this time?

Along with, perhaps, messing with our minds, Dave is likely paying attention. The GDC creates and implements the game for the year and they pay attention to and learn from responses, I guarantee you. The added bonus is Dave's relentless humor.
--
Edit: Also, it might be a good idea to recognize the fact that we have sponsors such as diversifiedsystems involved in this clue, which raises the bar in several areas. It couldn't and wouldn't hurt to be respectful as we are exploring different aspects of the clue in our posts.

www.divsys.com 17-12-2007 16:26

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This is Ben Wrightsman from diversifiedsystems. We manufactured the IR Sensor Boards at the beginning of this thread. We also produced the sensor boards last year, the YAW/Accel/Gear tooth sensors. Red was to spice things up a bit.

Just thought I would join up, and see all the hype on the "teaser" boards.


thanks,
BMW

Elgin Clock 17-12-2007 16:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 660274)
Any way of knowing if this user is legitimate?

Even if they weren't, do you not believe the statement about it being a fun year?

And I think we already proved the board gift is real even IF www.divsys.com is not an "official" person with a CD account.
There is no huge conspiracy between Joe Ross, Team 330, or any other people who have said they have gotten one. I would have thought by the 360+ posts in this thread so far, we would have all come to that concensus by now. :rolleyes:

Moving right along... :]


Quote:

Originally Posted by www.divsys.com (Post 660282)
This year we are running all the boards in red, to spice things up a bit.

Kinf of cool that a board with Infrared technology on it would be colored red.
Very cool link of form & function in my opinion. :)
Kudos to who came up with that thought!

dlavery 17-12-2007 16:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 660284)
Even if they weren't, do you not believe the statement about it being a fun year?

And I think we already proved the board gift is real even IF www.divsys.com is not an "official" person with a CD account.
There is no huge conspiracy between Joe Ross, Team 330, or any other people who have said they have gotten one. I would have thought by the 360+ posts in this thread so far, we would have all come to that concensus by now. :rolleyes:

Moving right along... :]

Just because there are not less than 360 posts does not prove that Joe Ross is not part of a global conspiracy that anyone else might not be participating in. Or not. ;)




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Libby K 17-12-2007 16:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 660291)
Just because there are not less than 360 posts does not prove that Joe Ross is not part of a global conspiracy that anyone else might not be participating in. Or not. ;)




.

You realize if you keep messing with our heads, we're just going to stop paying attention to you? Then it's no fun for you.

Pssst....everyone...IGNORE DAVE!

vivek16 17-12-2007 16:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 660291)
Just because there are not less than 360 posts does not prove that Joe Ross is not part of a global conspiracy that anyone else might not be participating in. Or not. ;)




.

dave make vivek confused with his counterproductive banter :mad:
, vivek

T3_1565 17-12-2007 16:41

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totally, and I haven't even read all 360+ posts.


I do find it odd that there has been a bunch of new members commenting on this thread though (like join CD to post on this thread)

I'm not saying there fakes but it is a little odd.. this part is definatly making for a cool year!!!!

EDIT:There was a thousand points between who I was agreeing with and my post it was Elgin I was responding to

Elgin Clock 17-12-2007 16:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Libby K (Post 660292)
You realize if you keep messing with our heads, we're just going to stop paying attention to you? Then it's no fun for you.

Pssst....everyone...IGNORE DAVE!

I think I'm going to need a 12 step program to help cure me from my Cryptic Dave Lavery Chief Delphi Post Analyzation Disorder I got goin' on here.
(AKA: C.D.L.C.D.P.A.D.) :p

www.divsys.com 17-12-2007 16:48

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"Kind of cool that a board with Infrared technology on it would be colored red.
Very cool link of form & function in my opinion.
Kudos to who came up with that thought!"

I guess I can take credit for that, we were going to go with Colts blue, but didn't want to offend anyone. :)

EricH 17-12-2007 16:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 660291)
Just because there are not less than 360 posts does not prove that Joe Ross is not part of a global conspiracy that anyone else might not be participating in. Or not. ;)




.

If there is a conspiracy, Joe is not the head of it (if he's even involved, which I doubt). This character, on the other hand, certainly is. The conspiracy's objective? Puzzle us all to death, mess with our heads, and similar "crimes".

Kevin Sevcik 17-12-2007 16:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by www.divsys.com (Post 660297)
I guess I can take credit for that, we were going to go with Colts blue, but didn't want to offend anyone. :)

In that case, I reserve the right to assume that these are, in fact, Texans' Battle Red.

vivek16 17-12-2007 16:53

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Ah yes, but it is still Cardinals red :mad:

dissapointed, vivek


jk jk, I don't even watch football.

d.courtney 17-12-2007 16:54

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I highly doubt that its a hoax and for mainly just one reason. If it was never in an email to the teams then sure I agree FIRST may play with us like this. But I question FIRST ever using its email blast as an accessory to a hoax. The email blasts frequently contain vital information for teams, and using it to play a prank on thousands of minds would lose credibility in its purpose.

Now as for what it is or what it will be used for, well I am content to wait till ours arrives in the mail before I think about it further. I hope is that its for a game piece that changes, not to be placed on the robot. The idea of game pieces changing throughout the game appeals to me.

Libby K 17-12-2007 16:57

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I have a feeling only certain teams got it for a REASON.

I just want to know what that reason IS.

Nuttyman54 17-12-2007 17:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Libby K (Post 660305)
I have a feeling only certain teams got it for a REASON.

I just want to know what that reason IS.

Me too

I have confirmation that 190 got the email, but as of yesterday 1735 had not. I'll try and find out about 971 tomorrow...

d.courtney 17-12-2007 17:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Libby K (Post 660305)
I have a feeling only certain teams got it for a REASON.

I just want to know what that reason IS.

Our team got the email, I assumed every team got it. Are there many teams that haven't? (sorry I haven't gone through all the pages to read all the discussion, nor would I have the time).

Has someone been keeping track of who has received the email and tried to make a connection, whether it be number of teams per regional receiving the email or in direct relation to their team number? If only a select few teams are receiving this email, there MUST be a correlation, in which case I am willing to begin speculating why.

Elgin Clock 17-12-2007 17:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 660291)
Just because there are not less than 360 posts does not prove that Joe Ross is not part of a global conspiracy that anyone else might not be participating in. Or not. ;)




.

How long has Dave been doing that THING with the dots at the ends of some posts???
Ughhhhhh!!! WHY DOES HE DO THAT?!?!?!?! :ahh: :eek: :ahh:

Meh.. if anyone figures it out, post here.
On an unrelated note, I'm off to go put some dots on some diagrams of compounds in my final exam in Chemistry class.
Woooo Octet rules! :rolleyes:

JBotAlan 17-12-2007 17:05

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Only the primary contact (I think) for 68 got the email--I saw it forwarded to my inbox from her. Now, I have no idea whether or not we received the part.

Will be able to tell in about 45 minutes if FedEx came through.

JBot

JaneYoung 17-12-2007 17:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by d.courtney (Post 660310)
Our team got the email, I assumed every team got it. Are there many teams that haven't? (sorry I haven't gone through all the pages to read all the discussion, nor would I have the time).

Has someone been keeping track of who has received the email and tried to make a connection, whether it be number of teams per regional receiving the email or in direct relation to their team number? If only a select few teams are receiving this email, there MUST be a correlation, in which case I am willing to begin speculating why.

This thread has several themes running through it:
1. questions and ideas regarding the actual clue
2. the email and who has received it
3. the package containing the clue and who has received it
4. chatter
5. Donuts for Dave
6. I forget, oh yes - the whole hoax thing

To my knowledge, no one has posted the tally of who has what.

Kaushal.K 17-12-2007 17:08

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The game could also be something along the lines of King Of The Hill (robot has to "defend" a certain area from opposing robots and the "Hill" moves around every x seconds of game play...) although this theory does defeat the purpose of Autonomous, but maybe it could work if there were other ways to score points...

Edit: the "Hill" area would be defined by a certain IR frequency (which could light up one of the 4 LED's on the board)

Edit2: Team 1241 has not recieved either an email or the chip as of now (or atleast our Lead contact hasn't informed us about it.. yet...)

artdutra04 17-12-2007 17:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 660291)
Just because there are not less than 360 posts does not prove that Joe Ross is not part of a global conspiracy that anyone else might not be participating in. Or not. ;)




.

Well that explains the banana. :p


vivek16 17-12-2007 17:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by artdutra04 (Post 660315)
Well that explains the banana. :p


lol. It's about time a banana showed up :D

-vivek

Milaki 17-12-2007 17:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 660296)
I think I'm going to need a 12 step program to help cure me from my Cryptic Dave Lavery Chief Delphi Post Analyzation Disorder I got goin' on here.

I have to agree, it's become second nature to me that if I see the name dlavery then I have to instantly read the post/quote/reference no matter what.

Stupid brain training me to do stuff no matter how hard I try not to. :mad:

www.divsys.com 17-12-2007 17:29

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:)

BMW

T3_1565 17-12-2007 17:33

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well for the record 1565 recieved the email and not the part, I was asuuming we didn't get it cause we were in the middle of 2ft of snow yesterday lol maybe we got it tonight though, I'll find out tomorrow morning when I ask my teacher

Graham Donaldson 17-12-2007 17:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by www.divsys.com (Post 660327)
Every one of the teams will be getting one of these. They were shipped out in batches. 1500parts and cables is no 8hour task. :)

BMW

Provided that www.divsys.com is a real user, which I'm sure they are, I'd say that this proves once and for all that this is not a hoax. Why didn't we ever think of production issues when we were wondering why not all teams had gotten them?!?!? [smacks self on forehead]

EDIT: Bill Moore sent me a message with a very good point that Diversified Systems is based in Indiana, and Joe got his from NH. My idea/response is this (and I quote, from my PM): "Only thing I can think of- divsys is sending them on to FIRST HQ, who packages them and then sends them out to teams, in accordance with who has already paid??? Saves giving divsys the team list and complicating things for them."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libby K (Post 659971)
How do we know this is a hint for 2008?

Seriously. Knowing the GDC (or specifically, Dave...)

Funny you should say that, Libby- I was thinking the same thing in engineering today. Has anyone ever looked to see if the game hints relate to the next year's game, or something crazy like that? I mean, if Dave's on it, you really never can tell...:D

Branden Ghena 17-12-2007 17:58

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I have read through all of the posts on here, but I couldn't find this...

Has any team apart from Team 330 actually received the IR Sensor yet?:confused:

T3_1565 17-12-2007 17:58

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well the email that was sent did say "...game hint season..."

EricH 17-12-2007 17:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tawnos23 (Post 660346)
I have read through all of the posts on here, but I couldn't find this...

Has any team apart from Team 330 actually received the IR Sensor yet?:confused:

Yes. Start on page one, and 846 got theirs.

Branden Ghena 17-12-2007 18:03

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Thanks:D

Ed Sparks 17-12-2007 18:21

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Team 34 got one today. I'm going to post a model in the FirstCadLibrary just for fun in a day or so.

legomaster3945 17-12-2007 18:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by T3_1565 (Post 660347)
well the email that was sent did say "...game hint season..."

yes but it also said look for the gift
not exact quote i didnt want to dig it up again
but i remember game hint season but to look out for FRC anf GDC gift

Edit* not sure if we recived either email or the chip yet we had no school today :)

T3_1565 17-12-2007 18:30

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true enough, but the chip did come with a piece of paper that said visit http://usfirst.org/decgift (or close to that)

We should really get a tally going of who got the email and who got there part

EDIT: For some reason I cannot start a new thread, so can someone else do it? and if Bradon sees this can you PM me as to why I cannot create a new thread??

razor95kds 17-12-2007 18:43

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766 has just received the chip (mailed to my brother who graduated from the team 3 years ago). it came in a package labeled "FRC game hint"

synth3tk 17-12-2007 18:45

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It's on the first page, but the exact link it redirects to is http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc...t.aspx?id=7600


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