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Don't forget the 3 periods on either side of the statement as laid out in the e-mail. It could be relevant. ;) |
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I've gotten a hint...
Can't comment on who said it, but I asked an insider "have you started building the field yet?" I got the answer, "Actually, there isn't much to build..." ??? Any speculations combining this with the mysterious item received? |
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C'mon... it's a decent hint (OK, not really). But it's something, right?
Where is all that FIRST creativity and speculation? |
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I think it has something to do with having paid. |
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I'll start. The piece sent to us goes on the robot, and interacts with field elements. The field is almost solely this, and so more software than hardware-based. OR there is some device above some small central scoring location, but most of the challenge has to do with easily gotten manipulatives (beach balls, whatever) Yes, I'm bad at theories. Anyone? |
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http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...%20_121007.pdf
Do you think it will use the back up battery , and will we still use the camera with it. |
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could the came peice have an area that you must trigger with the ir sensor, and it will change the lights from red to blue or blue to red? We may have to fight over getting to that spot to trigger it.
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air game anyone?
I like the laser-tag like game or the one where we tag bases with the ir, but very very very simple bots for that |
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I don't see a laser tag game, strictly based on the fact it would be boring for spectators to watch, I don't think it's a piece at all, but I do like the idea of it sending red / blue signals in auto so you having to find out which goal is yours
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It IS the game piece!!! First team to destroy it with it's IR beam wins. Bonus points to the first alliance who can clean up the tiny fragments. Good luck, volunteers. No special handling instructions will be sent. God Speed.
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im so happy yet sad
i have to wait another day for game hint because it was just anounced we have no school tommorow but im happy cus of no school now i get another day to ponder bout the hint for a whole day :) |
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so this is the offical game hint hmmm. What to do? what to do?? time to sound the alarms boys and girls its time to turn your motors on and get to thinkin how we are going to do this. Now that this is step 1, what will be step 2?...
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Don't laugh at me!
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hope for a riddle as a second gaem hint. :cool:
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From what I read on the First website about it, it seems to be a remote-sensor. They say it can be used with universal remotes and such. First thing that comes to mind, is that you would install one of these in your garage door to be able to open it with a remote. Other possibilities could be televisions or whatever.
But a guess to what the game could be about: Each team's human player gets a remote which can only open one door (or possibly do some other things) And they could open and close that door for whatever strategic reasons... And that's as great of a guess you're ever gonna get out of me. :p |
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Perhaps game pieces will have IR emiters and the points earned depends on which peice you capture/deposit/neutralize. i.e. 4 different points values.. one for each code. This device can help you sort out or decide which game piece to go after.
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Since I was bored today by the snow day (and it's only 8:30 am...) I whipped up a driver for this board in case we end up needing to put it on the robot.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=60170 JBot |
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lucky you for snow days I can't even get on delphi for more than the time I'm on it right now lol. at least you can think about the game hint :(
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so from what i've read, either there is going to be a new way of controlling our robots this year or some sort of IR emitter will be part of the game. here's the questions i have:
1. Why would they send us "teaching instructions" if the IR frequencies are going to be controlled by the field? 2.If IR is going to be a field element, are we going to be use the remotes for practice? 3. Why hasn't my team received ours yet?? |
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well I can try to answer that for you.
1.Teaching instruction can be so you can set-up your own field much like every other year (the KOP came with cathodes last year to set up your own field) 2. If the competition were, say, switching the goal colours during the match, you would have to have something to switch your own colour on your own field. 3. We haven't got it ethier :( |
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2. Good question! 3. Same reason our team has not received ours yet....that's how the shipping process works. This is a fun way to teach us patience. |
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ill find out tonight if we got ours :)
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Our senior mentor forwarded the email; she didn't mention if she got a package.
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My apologies if this has been previously stated, but I read through 11 pages of this thread and concluded that you guys talk ALOT.
Is this legit? The unfathomable scenario of a late or forgotten part in the KOP would have been discovered probably in this exact time frame, probably just after they shipped some of the KOP boxes off to their coinciding Kickoff venues. At this point, someone at FIRST got the bright idea to turn this logistical blunder into one of the best-conceived baiting game hints ever. However it's also interesting (but maybe coincidental) that this is released the weekend before the end of registration for new teams. My hypothesis is that it's for 4 different light colors and will replace or enhance that hard-to-calibrate green light/CMUCam setup. |
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Ask anyone who knows me, that's not my style. :p :rolleyes: I was just having some fun with numbers. I could pull a million little "facts" like this from just looking at the board & Googling things (and I have), but thought the levels connection would stir up some lively conversations. :D By the way, what are the chances this intergrates with the USB chicklet? Any takers on that theory, or is it even possible to use both simutaneously in a system of some sort? |
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I'm really, really interested to see how this ties in. It would be really cool to interface with on the robot...especially if the alpha-quality code I wrote this morning actually works with it flawlessly...:D JBot |
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But I can't shake the feeling that a symbolic reading of the thing, like Simon says, might turn out to have value, too, though it may be a longshot. I dunno, maybe I'm just stubborn to adjust to this hands-on hint style, but I wouldn't put it past the GDC to pack some symbolism into these lovely December gifts. That said, I have nothing else to add to the ultraviolet interpretation. (Except...Milla Jovovich...) Other peoples' ideas that I think I like (forgive me for no citation): 1) The 4 signals could mean more than one autonomous task during the game, at certain times during a match the field would switch all robots to another channel...but my issue with this is that multiple autonomous options is probably beyond the capabilities of a fair # of teams...maybe there would be other tasks for robots who aren't packing multiple autonomous modes, and those robots' channel 3 would just remain driver control, for example. But then that's a LOT of stuff going on in every match... 2) The 4 signals could determine zones, a la 2002's Zone Zeal except not pre-determined zones. And for teams that don't capitalize on using this IR board, since it's not characteristic of FIRST to make aspects of the game that some teams will be totally shut out from doing (any previous use of the camera or IR follow-the-line sensor in autonomous could attempt to be mimicked by a dead reckoning autonomous), maybe after some seconds have elapsed, whatever invisible indication has been given via IR will become visible for everyone else. Maybe, the zone layout will be concentric circles, and/or IR transmitters on the field will be positioned like planets...and/or the IR transmitter will be in the center of the field and whatever goals/scoring elements will be scattered around like planets. I'm just grasping at the aforementioned possible Sun idea. |
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And now for some anti-speculation of sorts. In my opinion, this isn't going to be useful outside of autonomous mode. Or at least only marginally useful. Why? because if it was exceedingly useful outside of autonomous, it would have to be indicating something on the field that drivers and the audience couldn't see. And any scoring method or game influencing state that's invisible to the audience will drive them absolutely batty and quickly frustrate them. Similarly, I fully expect that whatever this indicates during autonomous mode will be readily apparent to spectators. And thus could be potentially determined by the robot by other means. It's just that those other means are probably going to be a lot more complex and less reliable.
This is all assuming, of course, that this is something we put on the robot to find out about something on the field. |
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Anyone thought of the possibility of a IR sensor on the robot to see in darkened conditions?
This would cut some costs as far as field lighting is concerned as well. :yikes: Rather than making a target of some kind brighter (ie: going from a painted green panel to a bright light), do the opposite, & make the field darker. In the past a lot of technology that has been introduced in the kit is a low cost and/or stripped down version of what the big names in science & technology have used. (oh.. i don't know.. like NASA for instance?) ;) On that note, do some googling of the word "QWIP" & "NASA". Some interesting stuff happening there, even if it isn't directly tied in with what we will be doing with IR. But who knows for sure? :confused: I'll tell you who knows. The Shadow knows! :rolleyes: |
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Strangely I got the e-mail for 1 of my 2 teams that I am the team leader for. I Used to get 2 of every e-mail now I only get 1. It may be because we still have to pay for the second team. I called our receiving department today to see if I got it & the FedEx truck hasn't come in yet. I'll let you know if & when it/they come in.
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If we end up having a game with invisible pieces or invisable zones or what-not, the crowd will not being nearly as "in to it" as they normally are. |
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I'm not sure this is possible, but it would be pretty cool for spectators (not really drive teams) if the virtual pieces showed up on the video, but not on the field.
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Looking at the picture, I think this may be a field element. As a sensor for the robot, is really is rather large and bulky - like the camera, but with twice as much space taken up for diagnostics. Secondly, I can't see this being used for homing of any kind whatsoever - there is only one sensor on it, and it doesn't give signal strength, just whether or not it sees something. That doesn't lend itself to differentiation, therefore, no homing. IR homing is a pain anyway, so no real loss. Just my $0.02
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In '04, our first year with a "targeted" Autonomous, the game was poorly designed and didn't take advantage of this target after autonomous. In '05, we "could" have used the camera for more than autonomous, but again, the game design didn't lend itself to using it. In '06, the target was highly used by most successful teams in both autonomous and during the human operated period, and clearly communicated to the audience which team was allowed to score. In '07, the target was again highly used by most successful teams in autonomous, and was designed to have been used during the game as a scoring aide. I'm not sure how many teams used it outside of autonomous. In '08? Why would FIRST design a game that only allowed the use of this technology in a finite amount of time? Why wouldn't they want us to use it for the entire match? I think (okay, hope) that they've figured out how to properly integrate this in with the rest of the game. How they may have done that, well, that's their secret for a couple weeks. Whether it requires audience feedback is a different story. I'm wondering if this is going to replace the CMUCamera, or be an addition to it. BEN |
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a) so you can make your own field (much like the cathodes we got last year) and b) as a clue, as far as I can tell (I may be completely wrong) the clues for the past couple of years (last year for sure) the clue has been something about the field elements. Does anyone know where I can find previous years hints/clues??? |
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But additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if there was very little on the field. In 2005 the field was a bunch of PVC lengths and some special pieces to fit them together. In 2002 the field was 4 goals on casters and a bunch of soccer balls. FIRST had a thing for mobile goals for a very long time, and I only got one year of them. I'd kind like it if we got some more to play with (and if the field is relatively empty, that means its possible we will get them). |
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Now, granted, an IR remote in the stands could get messy--but the documentation I've read seems to indicate you can get other IR receivers for different frequencies beyond those normally used on TV remotes. What if FIRST gave us these to design our robots around, then gave us a board with a different, harder-to-interfere-with receiver component (but the same interface as far as the robot cares) to run on the field? |
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The fact that code is being passed around doesn't prove anything, as it's not IFI/FIRST-official code. Just thought I'd better point that out. JBot |
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Just a thought so if/when there is an official one released, it won't be confused on the boards here. |
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I agree once again (we sure think a-like) I can't see it being the only for the robot to work, I can see it help, and I can see it the most help in auto mode (or perhaps end game)
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The assemblies and function of this board are very real. I think this year will be a fun one for all the teams. ;)
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I have a hard time believing this is legit.
The Dean Kamen post earlier was a little more real (yet still suspicious). This user needs to be investigated on. Can a mod do this please? |
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-- Edit: Also, it might be a good idea to recognize the fact that we have sponsors such as diversifiedsystems involved in this clue, which raises the bar in several areas. It couldn't and wouldn't hurt to be respectful as we are exploring different aspects of the clue in our posts. |
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This is Ben Wrightsman from diversifiedsystems. We manufactured the IR Sensor Boards at the beginning of this thread. We also produced the sensor boards last year, the YAW/Accel/Gear tooth sensors. Red was to spice things up a bit.
Just thought I would join up, and see all the hype on the "teaser" boards. thanks, BMW |
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And I think we already proved the board gift is real even IF www.divsys.com is not an "official" person with a CD account. There is no huge conspiracy between Joe Ross, Team 330, or any other people who have said they have gotten one. I would have thought by the 360+ posts in this thread so far, we would have all come to that concensus by now. :rolleyes: Moving right along... :] Quote:
Very cool link of form & function in my opinion. :) Kudos to who came up with that thought! |
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totally, and I haven't even read all 360+ posts.
I do find it odd that there has been a bunch of new members commenting on this thread though (like join CD to post on this thread) I'm not saying there fakes but it is a little odd.. this part is definatly making for a cool year!!!! EDIT:There was a thousand points between who I was agreeing with and my post it was Elgin I was responding to |
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(AKA: C.D.L.C.D.P.A.D.) :p |
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"Kind of cool that a board with Infrared technology on it would be colored red.
Very cool link of form & function in my opinion. Kudos to who came up with that thought!" I guess I can take credit for that, we were going to go with Colts blue, but didn't want to offend anyone. :) |
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Ah yes, but it is still Cardinals red :mad:
dissapointed, vivek jk jk, I don't even watch football. |
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I highly doubt that its a hoax and for mainly just one reason. If it was never in an email to the teams then sure I agree FIRST may play with us like this. But I question FIRST ever using its email blast as an accessory to a hoax. The email blasts frequently contain vital information for teams, and using it to play a prank on thousands of minds would lose credibility in its purpose.
Now as for what it is or what it will be used for, well I am content to wait till ours arrives in the mail before I think about it further. I hope is that its for a game piece that changes, not to be placed on the robot. The idea of game pieces changing throughout the game appeals to me. |
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I have a feeling only certain teams got it for a REASON.
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I have confirmation that 190 got the email, but as of yesterday 1735 had not. I'll try and find out about 971 tomorrow... |
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Has someone been keeping track of who has received the email and tried to make a connection, whether it be number of teams per regional receiving the email or in direct relation to their team number? If only a select few teams are receiving this email, there MUST be a correlation, in which case I am willing to begin speculating why. |
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Ughhhhhh!!! WHY DOES HE DO THAT?!?!?!?! :ahh: :eek: :ahh: Meh.. if anyone figures it out, post here. On an unrelated note, I'm off to go put some dots on some diagrams of compounds in my final exam in Chemistry class. Woooo Octet rules! :rolleyes: |
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Only the primary contact (I think) for 68 got the email--I saw it forwarded to my inbox from her. Now, I have no idea whether or not we received the part.
Will be able to tell in about 45 minutes if FedEx came through. JBot |
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1. questions and ideas regarding the actual clue 2. the email and who has received it 3. the package containing the clue and who has received it 4. chatter 5. Donuts for Dave 6. I forget, oh yes - the whole hoax thing To my knowledge, no one has posted the tally of who has what. |
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The game could also be something along the lines of King Of The Hill (robot has to "defend" a certain area from opposing robots and the "Hill" moves around every x seconds of game play...) although this theory does defeat the purpose of Autonomous, but maybe it could work if there were other ways to score points...
Edit: the "Hill" area would be defined by a certain IR frequency (which could light up one of the 4 LED's on the board) Edit2: Team 1241 has not recieved either an email or the chip as of now (or atleast our Lead contact hasn't informed us about it.. yet...) |
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Stupid brain training me to do stuff no matter how hard I try not to. :mad: |
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well for the record 1565 recieved the email and not the part, I was asuuming we didn't get it cause we were in the middle of 2ft of snow yesterday lol maybe we got it tonight though, I'll find out tomorrow morning when I ask my teacher
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EDIT: Bill Moore sent me a message with a very good point that Diversified Systems is based in Indiana, and Joe got his from NH. My idea/response is this (and I quote, from my PM): "Only thing I can think of- divsys is sending them on to FIRST HQ, who packages them and then sends them out to teams, in accordance with who has already paid??? Saves giving divsys the team list and complicating things for them." Quote:
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I have read through all of the posts on here, but I couldn't find this...
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well the email that was sent did say "...game hint season..."
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Team 34 got one today. I'm going to post a model in the FirstCadLibrary just for fun in a day or so.
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not exact quote i didnt want to dig it up again but i remember game hint season but to look out for FRC anf GDC gift Edit* not sure if we recived either email or the chip yet we had no school today :) |
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true enough, but the chip did come with a piece of paper that said visit http://usfirst.org/decgift (or close to that)
We should really get a tally going of who got the email and who got there part EDIT: For some reason I cannot start a new thread, so can someone else do it? and if Bradon sees this can you PM me as to why I cannot create a new thread?? |
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766 has just received the chip (mailed to my brother who graduated from the team 3 years ago). it came in a package labeled "FRC game hint"
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It's on the first page, but the exact link it redirects to is http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc...t.aspx?id=7600
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