Re: Silicon Valley Regional 2008
 

Thanks for letting us know. I was looking for an update on the situation. That is a good decision and I hope both teams will be able to attend.

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Seriously? That's so cool! If you and/or 192 decide to go, I would look forward to seeing you guys again in Atlanta!

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I'm happy about this specific decision. Its not the teams' fault. But I agree that if this type of officiating continues that sooner or later there will be 5-6-7 divisions and we will end up inviting finalists if not semifinalists and quarter-finalists too.



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Thats the best news we've heard in a long time! Hooray for team 8 and 192 and for FIRST recognizing the injustice of that fourth match. For those saying its a bad policy, look at what happened first. They didn't add the score up correctly because they didn't know the rules! There was no judgement call in the middle of the match, it was a case where they made a touchdown worth 0 points instead of 6 and then instead of correcting the score they decided to replay the whole game....watch the video! Blue Alliance won the match and regional fair and square only to have a bad ref decision take it away.
I hope you guys can make it out there at this last minute...too bad it had to take this long for them to decide. We'll be looking for you guys in the pits!
ALOHA,
Team 2024

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In a way, FIRST is declaring the red & blue alliances "co-champions" of the SVR. As such, Team 8 and Team 192 have earned their ticket to Atlanta.

If your don't believe in such a thing as "co-champions", Google it...

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I'm not really sure what you're getting at. 8/192/2024 actually won the regional, but an incorrect ref call (not subjective, wrong by the rules) gave it to 100/115/254 in a rematch.

No slight to 100/115/254, but FIRST made the right call, allowing all 6 teams to go.

If you think they shouldn't have allowed 8/192/2024 to go, then I would argue that you're part of the problem, one of the people who's not willing to stand up against poor quality officiating of the events.

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So, is team 8 and 192 going to be able to make it to Nationals at this last moment? Please let us know....

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I say have teams 8, 192, and 2024 return the silver medals and finalists trophies and trade them in for gold medals and regional winner trophies, declaring 6 winners from the SVR regional as co champions. It would be the "right" thing to do, not putting blame on anyone, and celebrating the right step towards all teams being able to participate in Atlanta.

Its not like this unique situation happens all the time.

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We had a team meeting yesterday to try to figure this all out, and decided to put it off until today to see if we could raise some money. Our sponsors have been very helpful, and we should be ready to announce a few new ones by Monday morning... in other words, I think we're going! (Haven't actually registered, but we got an extension until Monday at noon.)
I'll let 192 speak for themselves, but from what I've been hearing out of our cross-town rival/partners' shop it looks like they're going too!

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that's great news....we'll be looking for you guys, team 8 and 192, to say aloha to in Atlanta then! I can't imagine how this is all going to come out in the film they're making on our team??? You are all part of the story now.
Thanks for your support too Glenn! We quickly got over the thing and now that our two alliance partners are invited its all OK.
OK, OK I know I said I'm over it but remember when we called a timeout in the third match so two robots on the opposing alliance could get repaired? I think we would still be talking about it today if the three robots on the other side in the spirit of GP sat still to correct the mistake in that fourth match. I think we'd be talking about hall of fame for GP. I wonder what we would do if the shoe was on our feet. I know I'd feel bad but would know that it was because of no fault of my own. It was sad to put all six teams in this situation in the first place. I hope it is corrected so it never happens in another regional again.
Good luck to all the teams at Nationals! We had a blast facing the poofs again in the semi's in Honolulu. Another knockdown drag out fight that went to three, but this time we lost :). You guys have an amazing robot. Aloha

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I'm not sure what you're referring to--the red alliance had nothing to do with the decision to play a fourth match. we were informed of it at the same time blue was.

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lavapicker,

I've been reading your comments and I think you are starting to cross a line, enough to get me to post. I was a volunteer at the SVR and watched all the finals, and your comments are a bit out of line. Keep one thing in mind - your alliance did lose the regional. You can keep talking about the bad ref call at the end of match 3, and it was a bad call. But it was one of many bad calls or non calls, and if the refs had called the game by the rules, your alliance would have lost by a big margin in EVERY match. As others have said, there never should have even been a 3rd match. Even with the bad calls, there was a replay, and if your alliance was the better alliance, you could have won that match, but you didn't. The right alliance won the SVR, and most I spoke to felt the same way (which says something, because most of them were rooting for the underdog alliance, yours, but stilll felt the other alliance was the correct winner).
It seems you keep trying to imply the 100 alliance didn't "win" the event, which they did. Just in 4 matches instead of the 2 matches it should have been in if the rules had been enforced. I'm sorry to criticise, because I thought your alliance did great, but please stop making comments like "the blue alliance won". The ref calls were bad, it was bad for all 6 teams in the finals, and I'm glad all 6 get to go.

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Sam,

Can we refrain from mixing fact and opinion? Especially in a thread like this, everyone will benefit. On one side, we have something that is clearly a wrong call. A ball was completely misscored, with no room for much misinterpretation of the rules. On the other hand, whichever rules you're referring to (and I'm not looking to open that discussion, but I imagine you're talking about, at least in part, G42) do leave a lot more room for interpretation, and I have seen different referees call them differently.

At the end of the day, I agree with you. The Red alliance won SVR. I'm not at all a fan of the circumstances in which it happened, but that's what happened. But please, let's separate fact and opinion.

Thank you.

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Guy,

I agree with you, and nothing should be taken away from your alliance. You played the red alliance tougher and closer than I think anyone in the stadium thought you could. But if you want to talk fact, here is what most people I talked to felt was fact:
the blue alliance played the way you played in the finals because the refs were not enforcing the rules. To most who were there, including staff and other volunteers around the field - that was a FACT. No one blamed the blue alliance, because if they had given a penalty in the first match, I'm sure you would have adjusted your play in the following matches. It's giving your alliance credit to say you pushed the limits the refs let you push, and if the refs had been making the same calls in the finals they made the rest of the tournament, the "fact" is your alliance would have lost in 2 matches. Now you may have a different opinion, but I find many of the comments by lavapicker to be "opinion" and not fact. If the finals were replayed with the same 6 teams, with a consistant set of rules applied by the refs, the red alliance would win that match up everytime. Now that's opinion - but I think an opinion most unbiased observers at the event would agree with.

Guy, your alliance played great. I'm very glad FIRST is letting all 6 teams go to Atlanta, as they all suffered due to the lack of reffing in the finals. I think all can agree that the ref calls and non calls in the finals impacted all 6 teams a great deal. My "opinion" and others I talked to at the event was that both alliances were great, that your alliance performed better than anyone expected, and that in the end the right alliance won the event.

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I've got to agree with Sam. I think some of the things Lavapicker said are out of line and a little un GP, plus just not true. I was there also, and I saw the same thing Sam did. If the ref had enforced the rules, the red alliance would have won in a landslide. Match 3 shouldn't have even happen, it should have been over in 2 matches. Even with the reply, both alliances had an equal chance to win match 4, and the red alliance did. I'm glad all 6 teams get to go to Atlanta, I felt bad for the blue alliance with how things ended, but I also felt the right alliance won and the red alliance was the best at that event. Bad situation for all 6 teams, but in the end seems like a nice solution - the right alliance won but both alliances get to go to Atlanta for what they all were put through.