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Is it possible Dave read the post and then changed his status? Becuase otherwise, this would be the craziest connection I have ever seen to have some form of real 'evidence'. That would be quite amazing.
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I am SO impressed by all these crazy connections! Creative thinking for sure.
I like the idea about two hints being new... and therefore there being two of something else (that there's usually only 1 of) in the game. I also like the square, circle, triangle connection and the "T" idea. I think we have not yet figured out the real meaning of the last set of numbers, though I like the idea that in that many hours, a third hint will come (coming to us the night before kickoff - in my time zone, anyway). |
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Hmm, perhaps it means nothing at all. Every year I've attempted the "google" approach to solving the equation I've been dissapointed when the clue had nothing to do with the game. Here's an example of a game hint...
Quijibo Must mean there is going to be a "north" game with "hair" and possibly surrounded by donuts....... My mind is mush, my inlaws just got here for a 1 week stay, to fill my tank in my truck just cost me $90 bucks, I need a vacation..........PLEASE BRING ON THE build season.. |
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Reading all these posts, I came up with an idea that combines a lot of them.
If there is a statue at that point in the square, then (just like in National Treasure) it will act like a "sun dial" figure. If someone checks where the shadow is pointing at 3:42, it may tell us something else. Anyone up for this far fetched task? :p |
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If you do a search for Truckin', you'll find a thread about the list of songs for the 2005 IRI and suggestions that Dave be one of the DJs. Dave listed Truckin' as one of the songs to play. Awesome! (Why he doesn't like Cyndi Lauper is beyond me...)
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It seems like it is pretty well established that the first two numbers indicate a location, but with GDC, you can never be too sure.
Anyway, I thought it was interesting to start off with 342.24026 as a temperature (in Kelvin of course), so 342.24026 kelvin = 69.09026 degrees Celsius I don't know, what you can do with that but I thought it was interesting, maybe there was a day that had that temperature that has signifigance? Or maybe someone on the GDC wants everyone to know more about global warming. This hint is starting to remind me the one that corresponded to Triple Play, quirky stuff. The relation of Trinity Church to National Treasure, I think there maybe something to come out of that, like the fact there will yet again be three teams on an alliance. A few random facts about the history of the church, Quote:
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Oh and as an Art History Geek, the Church is in a Romanesque Style, which means the arches are rounded, maybe that has something to do with the field. *************************************** THE WATER GAME CONNECTION!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!! So Trinity Church and Copley Square are located in the Back Bay Section of Boston and for those of you who do not know what that means.... Back Bay is a section of Boston that used to be the Back Bay of the City....before they filled it in with Dirt, Clay, Mud, Rocks, and whatever else they could find. So that means...the game starts in water, and they fill it in with a bunch of stuff. Then as the temperatures begin to rise (see the first thing I stated, about global warming) the environment on the field changes and all of a sudden it goes back to a water game, so teams are challenged to stop the water from coming back and flooding the game area again, kind of like preventing global warming. Ok I'm done, yeah I looked up the coordinates of the numbers in different orders, looks like I stumbled upon a Red Herring several times. Have fun figuring this one out! |
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I think the numbers represent the stock of VEX. Right at the tail end of the -71.076072 is where Radio Shack jumped ship and IFI took hold.
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Dave's signature might refer to palmastry, or something like that. Also, dictionary.com has an alternative definition of "expectations" listed as "the mean of a random variable." I think this might mean that we have varying match times, which would not be announced until something like halfway through the match. This follows the idea of more than one of something FRC has only had one of in the past.
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Funny you bring this up Libby...because the moment I heard that those were the coordinates for Copley Square, I immediately thought about the Hancock Tower...and the "Tracks" you see on it...here is why... A little back history on the Hancock Tower... A while back, the Hancock tower had some problems with wind. Apparently the high winds in the area would cause the tower to sway in such an extreme manner that it would cause the windows to fall out. To solve the problem, they gathered a group of engineers to figure out how to alleviate the problem. What did they come up with for a solution? They eliminated the top floor...put in some train tracks, and placed a counterweight on wheels on those tracks so that when the wind forces the building to sway in one direction, the weight moves in the opposite direction. If you can find the correlation between the last number, and the height of the top floor...we might have an answer. Train tracks, counterweights, etc... |
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Just now saw that there's a hint, and 8 more then a 100 posts already! CD, you are crazy!!! |
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whoever stated that we were going to use all 3 shapes i agree, if you look at the map there are circles squares and tryangles
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Additional bit of information that connects to my earlier post:
Jerry Garcia (lead singer of the Grateful Dead) was found dead in his room at a rehab clinic on August 9, 1995, at 4:23 AM. 324 backwards. I haven't found a connection to the date, but... Gotta love those random coincidences. Or connections, depending on whether or not I'm right... |
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copley type it in on the all mighty google and you get http://www.copleycontrols.com/
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Y'know, if you switch the coordinates, you get a spot in Antarctica. There is a Trinity Church in Antarctica too. Its not near the coordinates though.:(
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this reminds me of all of the symbolism surrounding 'v' in v for vendetta.
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Refering to an earlier post in which someone referenced This Comic. I went ahead and typed in the first number mentioned in the comic. it brought me HERE.
Note the picture of the jungle gym, and click on it for the larger view seen HERE. WHat on this earth is this jungle gym made of? Triangular beams, Square grid for a net, and Spheres at each and every vertex. ANd as an added bonus: the inside of the gym: http://flickr.com/photos/zebraman/436932817/ More triangles, squares, and spheres. Probably an insane coincidence and not actual evidence but hey... |
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Today was the release date for National
Treasure 2-book of Secrets Movie-hence the reason why the hint was released today. The (Clue) coordinates point to...downtown Boston--Trinity Church--the court yard. (in the air above) If you have seen the first National Treasure Movie-- one of the clues in the movie ( "along the wall"--wall street) was Trinity Church in Boston The game clue (rhyme) that FIRST put out at the end of last season had something about Wall street. I don't know about you guys--but We are watching the First National Treasure movie tonight! Cameragirl65 :ahh: Team 1510 Admin PR/Media/Marketing Mentor |
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Guys we got the coordinate idea.. it doesn't seem to be revealing anything at all..
Think different, no more coordinates, lets try something else. what else could those numbers represent? |
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We know that If you take the lat/long and feed it into google earth, and then zoom in, there is some kind of thing right at the exact coordinates.
I don't think it's a "coincidence" that there is something at that exact coordinate. You can change the last digit of the lat-long and it doesn't move the target. That amount of precision is good to a few inches. I checked out all the images and came up with one that shows the quad lamp at that point. Here is the link. The lamp is in the lower right corner. http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/3136639.jpg Quad.... where have I seen that lately on the FIRST site ....? Phil. |
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I'd have to say it has revealed a large amount of info, given that we've found reference to the song "truckin" , Daves status on facebook was also "truckin". And the Hancock tower has 2 HUGE counterweights in the top a really unique system that has to be quite rare. And i don't think its by chance we've been pointed towards it with gps coordinates. i think 2 huge weights could be trucking |
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Has anyone considered the possibility that the third number is a direction?
342.242026 could mean 17.755974 degrees left of north? Google Street view didn't show me anything too out of the ordinary when I looked in that direction, but I think someone else should take a look. |
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Well if you want to me be honest, if all it is revealing is the number 4, yea we get that already.. The IR sensor is able to be programmed for 4 commands, hence the 4 leds. Nobody understands what the hell the IR sensor is actually gonna do.. Maybe if we figured that out first, this new clue might help a ton... |
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I highly doubt that the GPS cord. just happens to point us toward the hancock tower which happen to has a very interesting balancing system with 2 HUGE weights in it. AND as Aren said dave's face book was "truckin" there also is a song and now we have to HUGE weights in the picture! ITS GPS |
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Well the only thing i could see from higher up, was the Letters EI in that building there. I dont think that helps with anything.. but its never something to be ignored.
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I just googled counterweight to see if it is one word and went into Wikipedia.
Have you guys seen Dave's thread about Pixar? Remember the desk lamp? That is given as an example of a counterweight, I believe. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterweight |
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were gonna be movin large jugs of ice cold water. (just kidding rofl) On a serious note, Lets think now. IR sensor, and moving weights... I really think we need to clean up that "342.242026" We really don't exactly know why they threw that number at us.. we have ideas, but nothing solid. The coordinates are definitely a good lead, but were missing something big.. |
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well you could compare the obelisks to a pivot point, as in the wikipedia. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e_diagram..png
might sound stupid, but that image may very well represent the field... think about it, we have the ideas of counterweights, and if that image is what were after with the obelisks... well then.. put the two together and you got yourself a lever, something on it probably controled by IR, and it has counter weights.. |
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Sometimes the light's all shining on me - Im not a disabled robot Other times I can barely see - the other teams human player made me unable to do anything, via their IR remote.. Lately it occurs to me - that i have no freakin idea what these clues mean |
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anybody believe that this could be polar coordinates
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polar coordinates can accually find the polar curve of an object such as a radio antenna to find the distance it can travel and where it came from like finding the epicenter of an earthquake
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Great. I get back from working on my new house.... and the speculation floodgates are blown wide open.... again.
Didn't sift through the pages beyond 4 or so, but have we made any use of the fact that the IR board is meant to be programmed? Just throwing it out there. |
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I just think it cant be a coincidence that the first 2 numbers land EXACTLY in the middle of a public place in the middle of major city. It's near impossible (like the chances of an asteroid hitting a major city, instead of in an ocean, as three-fourths of the Earth is water)! |
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Ok i think that this stuff is really planned. Obviously they did some thinking and this has been all planned out.
so basically we think it could be showing us what the game is.... Codes to code the IR remote. Anything else? Personally i like the idea of it showing us what the field will look like..... |
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Center in the Square is a sorta marketplace/gallery thing in Roanoke, but that's HIGHLY unlikely.
What about some sort of zone-control dealie? Something like playing Aim High on the Triple Play field and using the balls to change possession/score? Not sure how IR would factor into that. Maybe use that to change the type of ammunition? Trigger a game piece dispenser? |
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okay so 42.349905=X -71.076072 =Y 342.242026=Z
and that means r (the distance from the origin) is = 352.10073391721704 feet or miles φ (the angle from the z- axis)= 1.0334419056850023 degrees θ (the angle from the x- axis)=0.23719750535693354 degrees the origin i believe is the lat and long. like it has been worked out be for. that is what I have, now if this is of any use someone will be able to figure this out but me being a freshman i have almost no knowledge of this stuff yet so i'm done for today, (my head hurts now) |
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Ok, I'm jumping in here...sometimes the truth is before our eyes if we will only see. Coordinates of a square at "Rainbow Street" and we receive an IR board with a rainbow colored multi-cable. A rainbow is arched...arched structure on the field? Also...counterweights/fulcrums could reference a "teeter-totter" field element as other robotic games have used in the past (Woodie had one as an element in one of his classes that was highlighted on a PBS special many years ago)...imagine a huge teeter totter center field and low barriers like 2003?? Ok, enough already...my 4 cents...
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Compleatly Uneducated Guess...
I like the thought that these might be used to program the IR controler, can this thing only receive or does it transmit also? I haven't really played with it. Another thought, how about we play with these numbers some, 42.349905 rounded to the nearest tenth is 42.3, -71.076072 rounded to the nearest tenth is -71, and 342.242026 rounded to the nearest tenth is 342.2, the first and last two numbers are exactly 299.9 apart. This is probably nothing, though. |
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does the moon or mars have longitude and latitude?:D
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In one lesson, he uses himself as a pendulum. In another lesson, he talks about rainbows. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=60232 Oh, also - I think John's avatar has to do with the Grateful Dead/Mr. Garcia. Edit: I think the lesson on rainbows was: Polarization - Lightwaves, Rainbows, and Cheap Sunglasses. http://web.mit.edu/physics/facultyan...ter_lewin.html |
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wait... the moon and mars thing wasn't a joke?????
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remember its a hint come on people. anythings fair game. just keepin it lighthearted.
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These numbers defninitly are not something that would get piped into the IR board, at least over IR. There weirdly exact for pulse widths, one's negative(?). Maybe there's a hidden serial mode that dumps out the entire game manual on it :)
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hmm that would be interesting to be launching something but how would those numbers be of any importance to us right now?? that is if the were coordinates for launching stuff.
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42.349905 -71.076072 342.242026 I have read through all of this & I have only come up with questions. I guess I'll throw them out there like I would with my team. 1. How accurate are the coordinates? 1a. What does the Hancock tower look like? 1b. What is in John Singleton Copley's hands? (only thinking this because of that crazy Dave) 1c. What is in our hands... thinking....? 2. Has anybody tried to search the numbers in something other than Google earth? 2a. If you think the first 2 numbers are coordinates, what id the third number? ( I know that has been discussed about at great length) What if we are off on all 3 numbers? So... After all of my thinking I'll leave you with this (& I hope I hasn't been discussed because it took me a half hour of thinking to come to this. What is in the reflection of the John Hancock tower? The 2 Old Hancock Towers. What is at the top of the Old Hancock Tower? I'll let you figure that out. |
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three numbers triangulation, two buildings reflected off of a third. hmmmm
any body smart enough to brake out sin cos tan cot cos sec on these numbers? sadly i am not |
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i went out on a limb and searched it on google mars (yes they have google mars) and it doesnt support coodinates
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Something I noticed is that it is also on St. James Ave. Anybody up for a game of Monopoly? No sleep for me for the next 2 weeks. :ahh:
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