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infrared tetruv :P

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True TV
Vutter - it's like velvety butter.

Seriously, I can't help but wonder if the capitalized letters VFIRST in the hint are clues to the anagram. The reason I bring this up is that when "first" is used as the For Inspiration ... program, it is to be capitalized and italicized, like this: FIRST. In the hint, it's not italicized.

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hurdle - a movable rectangular frame of interlaced twigs, crossed bars, or the like, as for a temporary fence.

movable goals of interlaced of interlaced twigs :rolleyes:
hmm wicker basket?? :]

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I believe in the concept of the redo of the Triple Play auto mode. It’s not necessarily that we will literally be redoing the auto mode itself, but its concept. What is the main difference between the usage of the camera for auto mode between '05, '06 and ‘07? It is the fact that in '06 and '07 the object to track was the goal while in '05 the object to track was the scoring element. So from my perspective, you will be using to camera to find the scoring objects in auto mode.

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Alright everybody... i think team 384 might have a slight breakthrough in the game hints!!

if you go to this link you will notice that, using the coordinate idea, i have found this

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=e...5&iwloc=B&om=1

if you look at business "B" it is called "FIRST Corps of Cadets Veterans" and is approximately 342 degrees in the direction of Copley Square!!!

if anyone can shed some light on my findings it would be appreciated by everyone.

Good Luck everybody from team 384!!

--this guess was found by Brad Wilson of team 384--

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WOW This supports my veterans throwing tetras theory!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...763#post666763

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... Wow. That seems like too much to be a coincidence.

=/

The only question is how does that place tie in... I can't find much about it.

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First Corps of Cadets, which was founded in the Revolutionary War-era. Military units had nicknames before they were given numeric designations. The First Corps of Cadets was the military company for Boston during the American Revolution. Today, they are known as the 211 MP (Military Police) Battalion.

I found that after a google search. I also found out that a few days after 911, the First Corps of Cadets Veterens started a fundraiser. ther sold stickers that said "for support" on them for 2.00 each.
I dont know how this could fit in with the game though. The only thing I can think of is a different way of enforcing the rules during gameplay.
Joey

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Sounds like buret, a piece of chemistry lab equipment used to add a precise amount of a liquid solution to another, in titrations.
Mabye we will be measuring something very precisely (but this is unlikly).:)

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Time for some more crazy speculation.

<speculation align="crazy">

Connections. That First Corps of Cadets building is right across the street from the Commonwealth Mall. There many statues along the length of the mall. Other than the Alexander Hamilton one near Arlington Street and the commons, all of the statues are made of bronze.

The statue that is generally in the same direction as the First Corps of Cadets (which according Team 384 aligns with hint #2) is of Samuel Eliot Morrison, which has a brown finish or patina. Bronze has a natural patina called verdigris that is that light green color that the Statue of Liberty retains and the statue on the next block of William Lloyd Garrison.

That natural patina or verdigris when a statue is near the sea will include cuprous chloride which has a tetrahedral chrystal structure.

The statue of Morrison instead has a light brown to dark brown patina, which according to this site is achievable with ferric nitrate, which has an octahedral coordination geometry. The creators of the statue hurdled the obstacle of the natural bronze patina of green to choose a different color.


Conclusion. Therefore, through loose connections in the hints (excluding #1), I propose that we will be dealing with octahedron game pieces.

As far as the first hint, I think there will be information provided to robots in autonomous that will either be color based or infrared based and it will be up to each team to decide what method to choose. As far as different colors go, I think hurdling the original green color to choose one of their own could suggest that FIRST is going past the monochromatic vision targets.

</speculation>

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Are you hinting at a two-in-one game?

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vurett=vet rut

back to the triple play difficulties?

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I think that they might use different colors, good find :D

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I believe that the game will consist of stacking up boxes, then stacking pyramids on top of those boxes to cap them. THe obelisques gave me the idea in copley square

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(totally off topic here) 2039 finally received it's first game hint (the IR gadget)!!!
(back on topic) How about this for a game? Each team (2 teams of 2-3 people) uses their robots to stack and build (or interfere ) with tetras to make some sorta lifting system (a ramp) to get to a goal (for oodles of points) or the closest to the goal (using different sized "blocks" (bigger ones means more points) to get points) wins. You can interfere with the others building process by blocking with your robot.

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alright i give up i have read over 1,000 post about the game hints and my brain hurts:mad: :confused: i give up i'll just wait the remaining 44526 seconds till the kickoff

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i would just like to let everyone know that i am currently sitting under my desk in the fetal position with blanket in hand and thumb in mouth.....partially because i havent slept in the past 50 hours B/C im way to excited for kickoff in a mere 11 hours 55 min....partially because these hints have dirven me mad.....:cool:

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I fell asleep a few hours ago (I've been in the shop all afternoon making ready for tomorrow), and I woke up and thought it was morning. I looked at my watch, and it said 9:37. I panicked because I need to be on campus at 9:30 for kickoff. Then I realized that it's still Friday night and I just passed out reading my psych textbook.

I can't help but say. I'm excited. I have a feeling this year will trump all thus far.

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After taking part in the great "fake clue" thread, I'm back here:rolleyes: . So, I'm thinking that field elements will in some way be movable and obtain point ( sort of like the vex challenges) and/ or be activated by the IR sensors. I do believe there will be climbing as well.

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Has anyone else taken a look at the 2008 FIRST ROBOTICS COMPETITION AT-A-GLANCE in the FRC Communications Resource Center? It was added 1/4/08. There are several interesting bits of information that debunk some of the guesses made about this years game. Take a look.

I tried to post the url here but it did not work.

The last part or the url "_08prekickoff" may indicate that things may change postkickoff.

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This leads to it if anyone wants to check it out.

http://www.usfirst.org/community/res...er.aspx?id=640

Another thing is "FRC 2008 At-A-Glance" ...Not much that you can draw out from it though. But its full of fun facts about FIRST.

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My work here is done.... :)


-dave


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The biggest problem I see with this theory is its claim that this place is "approximately 342 degrees in the direction of Copley Square". To put it simply, this is factually incorrect - there's no way it's in that direction, from anywhere in the square! Sorry, guys! :(

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Wow, what on Earth are you doing up at this hour? Aren't you in my time zone? I already caught some ZZZZZs, myself, and will catch some more soon. :confused:

BTW, I also thought that post was priceless, and look forward to my first FIRST kickoff tomorrow!

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psssh. Sleep is for the weak.

-dave



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Wise words from an insomniac master? :D

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Point taken! :D

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Say Dave, isn't it past your bedtime? Big day tomorrow, and whatnot? :p

Anyhow, I may as well put in my annual "<12 hours before kickoff" game prediction.

And there's really only one thing all three clues have been telling us. The abnormally square piece of paper in the first game hint, the coordinates pointing us to a "globe cafe" in the second hint, tetras in the third clue: whatever you guys are doing will involve the first logo in some way. Whether or not you'll be manipulating cubes, tetrahedrons, & spheres all at once into a single goal for differing point values/multipliers (which BTW, has always figured into my "dream game" in some fashion), or whether it'll be some variety of stacking or putting different-shaped objects into other-shaped goals, somehow, my prediction is that something square-ish, something circle-ish, & something triangular will be involved. And all the clues link up too (Copely Square, and the FIRST Corps of Cadets Veterans [hurdling tetras] located in said square)! And since this is FIRST we're talking about, there's probably going to be a choice to make at the end between continuing what you're doing, or scoring secondary points. Say, what if the end game is another autonomous period where that IR receiver helps you perform your last point scoring maneuvers...

Finally since I can, I'll step into WATER GAME!!1! territory for just a second: what good is a globe without it being 70% water? :D I kid, of course.

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Dave must have just finished the game animation, and decided to take a breather from animating :)

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First, I should correct myself - Kick-off is today!

Then I just wanted to take my last shot at this. I took to heart Dave's somewhat lengthy (but worthwhile) discussion on the importance of knowing what precision you have, as well as what precision you need.

Revisiting the "where, exactly, is this spot?" question, I recalled that the first people who located the spot (on Google, I think) varied the input and got the same result. This means that has a significant (if undetermined) inaccuracy.

I figured where the spot should be independently, using topo map images, and had estimated that the answer might be good to about 30FT. The closest thing to that spot, BTW, is a statue of Philips Brooks (not Copely), which is along the north side of Trinity Church. Given the unknown accuracy of Google, I'm going with this spot now.

My first estimate was that the bearing headed toward the burger joints from there, but looking more carefully at it, it looks more like it's really across from a subway stop. If I still thought it was looking at the Burger King, I would confidently conclude that the clue meant "Stack Attack" (meaning that elements of that previous game would return this time).

All I can do is speculate that my errors are a bit worse than I thought, and that #2 really does just mean "Stack Attack" (plus a hint of better floating-point computing this time).

Hint #1 was probably just so we wouldn't freak out about this new equipment that seems complicated at first, but isn't really such a big deal after you sit down and look at it. They must really want to make sure we succeed at employing it.

#3 just seems to be another reference to aspects of previous games being revisited (with a new twist, I'm sure). So far we have a combo of Stack Attack (the Burger King campaign), Triple Play (the tetras), and Aim High (something airborne - "hurdling").

Sounds like fun!

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only during build season

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the encryption key is an anagram of vet hurdling first tetra

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It is? Hmm even if you figured that out though you wouldn't have the CAPS and the punctuation.

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yeah i know, because i tried about 20 anagrams, including drivestraitturnleft but yeah...punctuation was the problem

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The anagram, spelled correctly, is
drive straight turn left

It corresponds letter for letter with the words in the clue. Word puzzles don't generally rely on capitalization and punctuation, so as far as I can tell, it's 100 percent accurate.

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pardon me, my spelling is generally bad when i'm typing too fast...

word puzzles don't rely much on punctuation and capitalization, but passwords do! :yikes:

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Password or not, "drive straight turn left" does describe what the robots do in this year's game.

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Well, whatever the game ends up being, I sure hope it involves the IR sensor and the IP camera intensively. I got accepted to MSOE for my work last year (AS A PROGRAMMER) on my team's IR board, from wiring to mounting to programming to interface design. I would love to have that kind of challenge again, especially if it is made a core part of gameplay and more teams feel obligated to work with it.

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Someone should probably edit the title of this to clarify that this is for the 2008 game, I know I jumped when I thought "How did a game hint and 200+ replies get generated without me noticing?"

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Um ya, this was last years hint, just an FYI :(

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Same reaction here, can all older hint threads be locked.

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This is for the 2008 game.