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pakratt1991 05-01-2008 23:28
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
Quote:
<G10> Each TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE while not in contact with a
ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn 2 points. A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its
own FINISH LINE which contacts ROBOTS of both ALLIANCES while CROSSING will earn
2 points.
you are correct, I misread the rule. good catch :yikes:

EricH 06-01-2008 01:31
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abeD (Post 669091)
I had another rules/strategy question:

Your not allowed to block people and impede traffic but can you go full speed and make yourself the width of the track much like they do in real racing (nascar formula 1, etc), and make someone make a move to pass you..From the rules I guess you can't but if this is a race that is a legitimate racing strategy.
80" limit horizontally. If the track is less than 80" wide, there's a problem. But it's not. It's more than 10'. It won't work.

cbudrecki 06-01-2008 01:45
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FIRST OVERDRIVE Manual
<G10> Each TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE while not in contact with a
ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn 2 points. A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE which contacts ROBOTS of both ALLIANCES while CROSSING will earn 2 points.
In other words, unless a YOU AND YOUR OPPOSITION are BOTH in contact with the ball AS IT CROSSES the line, YOU may NOT touch it. Although what about if say a RED bot is in contact with a BLUE ball as it crosses?

GaryVoshol 06-01-2008 08:37
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tb222 (Post 669503)
In other words, unless a YOU AND YOUR OPPOSITION are BOTH in contact with the ball AS IT CROSSES the line, YOU may NOT touch it. Although what about if say a RED bot is in contact with a BLUE ball as it crosses?
Then Red just scored for Blue.

Techno-Turkey 06-01-2008 08:48
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
Im not on a FRC team (yet) but I still wanna know the game.

Are you allowed to be in position of both of your alliances trackballs?

GaryVoshol 06-01-2008 08:54
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techno-Turkey (Post 669635)
Im not on a FRC team (yet) but I still wanna know the game.

Are you allowed to be in position of both of your alliances trackballs?
No. That's readily apparent from a quick reading of the rules. See <G26>

Taylor 06-01-2008 08:55
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techno-Turkey (Post 669635)
Are you allowed to be in position of both of your alliances trackballs?
Long answer: <G29> states that robots may not be in possession of a trackball belonging to an opposing alliance, and a 10 pt penalty may be assessed for each violation. However, herding opponents' trackballs or removing them from the overpass is okay.
Short answer: no.
However, if the opponent's trackball leaves the field of play, there is no penalty that I can find. If you can figure out a way to remove the trackballs from play without possessing them, it may be an interesting strategy (although the refs will reintroduce them as soon as they can)

BaldGuy 06-01-2008 09:13
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
In response to Boilers comment about not finding any penalty for ejecting the opponents Trackball, I will go out on a limb and guess you will get further clarification in the future something to the effect that "intentionally throwing your opponents Trackball out of the arena is not in the spirit of the competition, and will be viewed as un-sportmanslike."

disco_asimov 06-01-2008 09:51
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
What does "above the overpass" mean? Does it mean over without touching, or can it touch the overpass? If it can touch, then what happens when you put your trackball on top of it at the end and your opponent knocks it off? Do you get 6 points for the trackball crossing over the overpass?

SSMike 06-01-2008 11:59
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
No one seemed to know the answer in another threads so I'll try here.

I wonder what the refs will do if a robot breaks down in the middle of the track, thereby obstructing it. Will it be a penalty?

During the Kickoff broadcast, they gave a brief tutorial about the IR board. They said that different remotes can disrupt the receptors. Does this mean that the robocoaches can disrupt another team's IR board?

During the game practice, two red "bots" passed the trackballs back and forth. On would lift it over the bar and then the other would pass it back. Could you hypothetically do this the entire game, as long as you are not obstructing the path?

Also is there anywhere where we can find the tests that the refs will be using so that we can see what penalties they focus on the most?

ALIBI 06-01-2008 12:12
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
FROM SSmike

During the game practice, two red "bots" passed the trackballs back and forth. On would lift it over the bar and then the other would pass it back. Could you hypothetically do this the entire game, as long as you are not obstructing the path?

You could, but you would not get points more than once. The Trackball must pass over the opposing alliances finish line before it can be scored a second time for passing above the overpass (G13).

I believe that in the animation, RBot1 passed the Trackball above the overpass to RBot2 (8 Points), then RBot 2 passed it back to RBot1, RBot1 then placed the Trackball on the overpass (12 points per G14).

jwdougan 06-01-2008 20:01
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
Has anyone read <G10>? It says "Each TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE while not in contact with a ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn 2 points. A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE which contacts ROBOTS of both ALLIANCES while CROSSING will earn 2 points."

Who gets the points?

EricH 06-01-2008 20:06
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwdougan (Post 670311)
Has anyone read <G10>? It says "Each TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE while not in contact with a ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn 2 points. A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE which contacts ROBOTS of both ALLIANCES while CROSSING will earn 2 points."

Who gets the points?
Read the manual again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by <G08>
<G08> All TRACKBALL scores are awarded to the ALLIANCE associated with the scored TRACKBALL, independent of the ROBOT that may have caused the scoring action to occur.

webchief2008 06-01-2008 20:28
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
I have a question regarding robot size at the end of the match. I know in years past that robots have sometimes had to end within starting dimension but I did not see any mention of it this year. I may have missed it as I do not have a complete set of the rules but the area my teams rules person thought it would be did not mention it. If anyone could clarify this for me that would be a great help.

EricH 06-01-2008 20:38
Re: OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by webchief2008 (Post 670355)
I have a question regarding robot size at the end of the match. I know in years past that robots have sometimes had to end within starting dimension but I did not see any mention of it this year. I may have missed it as I do not have a complete set of the rules but the area my teams rules person thought it would be did not mention it. If anyone could clarify this for me that would be a great help.
You didn't miss it. It isn't there.


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