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Andy Baker 06-01-2008 19:26

Toughbox Assembly Video on YouTube
 
An assembly video for putting together an AndyMark Toughbox is now available for viewing. This is a 10 minute video, and provides step by step instructions in putting one of these simple gearboxes together. It is a long video, but you may have a chuckle or two when you watch it.

Enjoy!

Andy B.

Rich Kressly 06-01-2008 19:37

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Encore, encore ... my boys have new heroes. Jake can't stop watching and Aric keeps saying, "She took the drill...she TOOK the drill!"

Chuck Glick 06-01-2008 19:42

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I'm gonna have to call child services about that labor crew you have there! ;)

Also love that you can mount the motors without opening the gearbox back up.

EricH 06-01-2008 19:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Glick (Post 670282)
Also love that you can mount the motors without opening the gearbox back up.

I was wondering why the gearbox was closed without the motors--then I saw Kyle and Nick putting the motor in and was like, wow! improvements again!

Greg Marra 06-01-2008 19:45

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Great video! Putting together a Toughbox looks really simple to do, but this video makes some of the trickier parts very clear.

I see you've posted the link to the video on the Toughbox page on Andymark.biz too.

Between this and the IR Board video shown at the Kickoff, I'm excited to see these explanatory videos that show how otherwise intimidating parts are really quite simple!

billbo911 06-01-2008 19:47

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Wow!! All I can say is, Thank You. That was fun AND educational.

So simple, a child can do it!!! (Well, OK, maybe with a little help). :D


One question, is there a provision for attaching the Gear Tooth Sensor to this already? Or, is that up to us to figure out?

Billfred 06-01-2008 19:56

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Darn, people already beat me to the obvious puns. I must improve.

I'm not sure if our plans include the AM Toughbox on drive, but I'm glad to see a design with a solid pedigree in the kit this year. Keep 'em coming!

Andy Baker 06-01-2008 20:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 670285)
I was wondering why the gearbox was closed without the motors--then I saw Kyle and Nick putting the motor in and was like, wow! improvements again!

Yes... On the "Toughbox User Guide" we show how to assemble it with the motor mounted to the polycarbonate plate first.

When we took 24 of these to FIRST this summer, Kate Pilotte mounted the motor when it was still assembled and she preferred that way also. So... yes, there are assembly options.

Andy B.

Alex Cormier 06-01-2008 20:15

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Thanks a lot Mr. Baker.

I'm going to have the kids assemble these monday and add them to the kit chassis. wahoo rolling chassis in 1 day.

robert.hatchett 06-01-2008 20:29

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Andy,

Congrats on the video as well as the use of your children.

My personal belief is that any time we can show 1) how simple things can be done, 2) that females can do it, and 3) that younger age groups can be involved are all furthering the goals of FIRST.

Thank you, sir!

Robert Hatchett
Mechanical Engineer
Mentor of Team 1262

rmlondon 07-01-2008 01:48

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How do we mount the CIM and the Transmission box? Any suggestions?
Rob
Team 2116 RobotFutures

JohnBoucher 07-01-2008 05:44

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Fantastic!!!!!!!!

AndyB 07-01-2008 08:11

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No excuses anybody...

if 2 little girls can assemble one of these, you have no excuses to say you can't... Let your programmers figure one of these out, raise their mechanical self esteem.

IndySam 07-01-2008 08:36

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lol, great work ladies!

Alan Anderson 07-01-2008 08:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rmlondon (Post 670807)
How do we mount the CIM and the Transmission box? Any suggestions?

The kit frame contains transmission mounting plates.

Larry Lewis 07-01-2008 08:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rmlondon (Post 670807)
How do we mount the CIM and the Transmission box? Any suggestions?
Rob
Team 2116 RobotFutures

Good question. I was wondering that as well. Based off the CAD drawings and not physically having the materials in front of me I couldn't figure out how the plates get attached to the transmission. I plan on tinkering around with the parts to figure it out but if anyone has already mounted it and has some hints that would be appreciated.

Also, is there any suggestions on how we can interface the transmission with a encoder? We haven't had much luck with the gear tooth sensors and really liked the encoders that were on the Banebots Xmission last year. Any suggestions out there for a Andy Mark compatible equivalent?

Many Thanks!!!

Waynep 07-01-2008 09:07

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Andy,
Great video and great product as always! Thanks for taking the time to put this instructional video together for our younger teams. Please thank all of your product assembly instructors as well.

PS so in this video i noted why i have had trouble during assembly and what my teams have been lacking during build season: BACKUP DANCERS

thanks again for showing us all the way

Elgin Clock 07-01-2008 14:38

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Because I seem to have missed this, and don't know too much about gearbox terminology (I'm ashamed to admit), What is the output shaft speed on a Toughbox when combined with say the CIM motor from the KoP?
I'm not sure of the output speed of the CIM motor either as of right now.

The 12.75:1 ratio is related to that magic end number but how?

Thanks to anyone who will take a moment and explain this.

Rob 07-01-2008 14:45

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Hi Elgin,

The Toughbox reduces input speed by 12.75 times. To find the shaft speed you take the input (CIM) speed and divide by 12.75.

Shaft speed = input speed / 12.75

The input speed depends on alot of things such as fiction, load and voltage applied. The CIM at 12 volts and no load is roughly 5000 RPM (off the top of my head).

If you are interested in how different voltages and loads can change the output speed, I would strongly suggest checking out the JVN design calculator sheet that is posted in the white papers section.

Best of luck,

RAZ

lukevanoort 07-01-2008 14:51

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Another nifty CIM number to remember is 88.5 rev/s. In the past, the FIRST documentation has rated CIM free speed at 5310rpm; if you divide by 60, you get 88.5rps. Knowing that number makes calculations with CIMs much quicker; how often do you measure mechanism/drivesystem speed in terms of something/minute? I would (probably) be willing to wager that it is much less often than measuring in something/second (ft/s, deg/s, m/s, etc). If you just remember 88.5 then you can skip dividing by sixty in your calculations, saving time. Especially useful if you're sitting in the middle of Psychology and you feel a need to run some drivetrain numbers and lack a calculator.... only a big nerd would need to do that though :rolleyes: Yes, I know I should stop doing it, but it's so fun!

Elgin Clock 07-01-2008 15:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 671270)
Shaft speed = input speed / 12.75

Awesome. Thanks!
I figured it was as simple as that (in a simple calculation based world that is anyways ignoring friction, stalling, etc, etc..) but just wanted to be sure.

Kyle Love 08-01-2008 10:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Lewis (Post 670928)
Good question. I was wondering that as well. Based off the CAD drawings and not physically having the materials in front of me I couldn't figure out how the plates get attached to the transmission. I plan on tinkering around with the parts to figure it out but if anyone has already mounted it and has some hints that would be appreciated.

Also, is there any suggestions on how we can interface the transmission with a encoder? We haven't had much luck with the gear tooth sensors and really liked the encoders that were on the Banebots Xmission last year. Any suggestions out there for a Andy Mark compatible equivalent?

Many Thanks!!!

To attach the transmission mounting plates to the transmission you need to take off the lower two bolts in the Toughbox (loosening the top two would be good also), align the two hole on the transmission mounting plate, the smaller of the plates provided, replace the bolts in the holes, put nuts back on and tighten all 4 bolts accordingly. Then, use the given hardware to attach the transmission with mounting plate on to the kit frame. The slot areas will allow for tweaking of chain tension and/or placement of output shaft for a live axle system.

Larry Lewis 08-01-2008 10:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle Love (Post 672213)
To attach the transmission mounting plates to the transmission you need to take off the lower two bolts in the Toughbox (loosening the top two would be good also), align the two hole on the transmission mounting plate, the smaller of the plates provided, replace the bolts in the holes, put nuts back on and tighten all 4 bolts accordingly. Then, use the given hardware to attach the transmission with mounting plate on to the kit frame. The slot areas will allow for tweaking of chain tension and/or placement of output shaft for a live axle system.

Great thank you for the clarification! Much appreciated!

Jeff Rodriguez 08-01-2008 13:30

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At the risk of looking like an idiot, am I the only one who can't spot the yellow truck? :)

Great video!

Alan Anderson 08-01-2008 13:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogre (Post 672354)
At the risk of looking like an idiot, am I the only one who can't spot the yellow truck? :)

Don't feel bad. If it's where I think it is, the truck is only clearly visible for about three frames, and it's moving so fast that it's difficult to identify its shape.

Kyle Love 08-01-2008 15:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogre (Post 672354)
At the risk of looking like an idiot, am I the only one who can't spot the yellow truck? :)

Great video!

The yellow truck is hiding in the pyramid of Gen 2's at the beginning. It got lost somewhere in the middle due to second third and more takes, and kids (including Nick and I) that wanted to play with the infamous yellow truck.


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