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GaryVoshol 23-01-2008 08:58

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug G (Post 684184)
We discussed today whether or not to start the second bot and this logic came up in our discussion also - "we can just bring the second robot with us to competition in case anything breaks". So... If a team were to bring their second bot to competition, but left it in a trailer and the fabricated parts that come off of it, don't exceed 25 pounds - would you still consider this to be legal? Sounds like a good YMTC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by R41
<R41> Teams may bring a maximum of 25 pounds of custom FABRICATED ITEMS (SPARE
PARTS, REPLACEMENT PARTS, and/or UPGRADE PARTS) to each competition event to
be used to repair and/or upgrade their ROBOT at the competition site. All other
FABRICATED ITEMS to be used on the ROBOT during the competition shall arrive at the
competition venue
packed in the shipping crate with the ROBOT.

Notice the parts I've bolded. It gets tricky as to just how these words would be interpreted. Where does a "venue" start - at the parking lot, at the arena door, anywhere outside your shop door? How you define it could make it mean something different for local teams and for teams that travel.

My personal feeling is that the spirit of the rule is that teams will not have more than 25 pounds of fabricated parts available to them, unless they are sent with the robot in the crate. You'd have to ask the Q&A to be sure.

Jeff Waegelin 23-01-2008 10:35

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 684188)
Notice the parts I've bolded. It gets tricky as to just how these words would be interpreted. Where does a "venue" start - at the parking lot, at the arena door, anywhere outside your shop door? How you define it could make it mean something different for local teams and for teams that travel.

My personal feeling is that the spirit of the rule is that teams will not have more than 25 pounds of fabricated parts available to them, unless they are sent with the robot in the crate. You'd have to ask the Q&A to be sure.

I would agree with Gary on this. The spirit of the rule is that you should only have 25 lbs of fabricated spare parts available at a competition. You can ask Q&A for a clarification, but I would think the proposed situation of a second robot outside in a trailer is of dubious ethics, even if it might not be against the letter of the rule.

shadow1083 23-01-2008 11:17

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
were building two robots during buid, one to practice and our main one.

ay2b 23-01-2008 12:39

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug G (Post 684184)
We discussed today whether or not to start the second bot and this logic came up in our discussion also - "we can just bring the second robot with us to competition in case anything breaks". So... If a team were to bring their second bot to competition, but left it in a trailer and the fabricated parts that come off of it, don't exceed 25 pounds - would you still consider this to be legal? Sounds like a good YMTC.

This is tricky. You can't bring the whole practice robot into the pit. What if you don't bring it into the pit, but leave it in the trailer? What if you don't put it in the trailer, but leave it at the hotel? What if you leave it at your shop? What if your shop is 5 minutes from the competition? What if your shop is 2 hours from the competition? Where do you draw the line?

So far, I haven't seen any good official answer to this, so you have to evaluate for yourself. Or rather, your team as a whole should discuss it. So far, I don't have a good answer for it myself, but I'm happy to see a discussion on it.

As for my team, in years past, there was at least one competition where we did bring a whole practice robot in the trailer. Later we decided that was probably against the intent of the rule, so we stopped doing so. One year our practice robot consisted of the drive base from the previous year, and a new arm. We decided it was OK to bring the whole robot in the trailer because the drive base was not competition legal, so only the arm was a valid spare part, and once detached from the base would be under 25 lbs.

Cory 23-01-2008 16:45

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug G (Post 684184)
We discussed today whether or not to start the second bot and this logic came up in our discussion also - "we can just bring the second robot with us to competition in case anything breaks". So... If a team were to bring their second bot to competition, but left it in a trailer and the fabricated parts that come off of it, don't exceed 25 pounds - would you still consider this to be legal? Sounds like a good YMTC.

I'm almost certain in 2004 or 2005 I saw a Q&A or some other official response stating in no uncertain terms that practice robots cannot be brought to competitions, be it inside the event, at the hotel, in a trailer, in your trunk.

Does anyone else remember this?

Dave Flowerday 23-01-2008 17:08

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 684446)
I'm almost certain in 2004 or 2005 I saw a Q&A or some other official response stating in no uncertain terms that practice robots cannot be brought to competitions, be it inside the event, at the hotel, in a trailer, in your trunk.

Does anyone else remember this?

Definitely. They made it 110% clear at the time that practice robots could not be brought along AT ALL.

dlavery 23-01-2008 19:54

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 684446)
I'm almost certain in 2004 or 2005 I saw a Q&A or some other official response stating in no uncertain terms that practice robots cannot be brought to competitions, be it inside the event, at the hotel, in a trailer, in your trunk.

Does anyone else remember this?

That is correct. I wonder if it is time to dust off that narrative, and get it ready for re-use.


-dave



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Joe Ross 23-01-2008 20:10

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 684595)
That is correct. I wonder if it is time to dust off that narrative, and get it ready for re-use.

Don't forget that previous year's rules and Q/A responses do not apply to this year ;)

dlavery 23-01-2008 20:16

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 684611)
Don't forget that previous year's rules and Q/A responses do not apply to this year ;)

... unless they are re-issued this year!!! :D



-dave



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Beattie2051 24-01-2008 13:30

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
We plan on building 2.

not just for practice, but also for replacement if something happens to the original

Jeff Waegelin 24-01-2008 15:42

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 684446)
I'm almost certain in 2004 or 2005 I saw a Q&A or some other official response stating in no uncertain terms that practice robots cannot be brought to competitions, be it inside the event, at the hotel, in a trailer, in your trunk.

Does anyone else remember this?

Oh, I remember. This happened after my previous team (830) brought their practice robot to Great Lakes Regional, and used it during practice matches. It was an innocent mistake - the lead engineer was still new to FIRST, and it was a year before I joined - and there wasn't any rule specifically prohibiting it at that point. There was a rule very soon after, though :p

arhajder 24-01-2008 21:26

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
I believe that teams should be generally have about 2weeks to practice with their robots before shipping date. The only thing you might want another robot for is to work on the programming for autonomous or default. For that you can use an older robot.

Uberbots 24-01-2008 21:34

Re: Any teams build two robots to practice with after build season. (6 weeks)
 
We always built twin robots- so we can get hundreds of hours of practice for our drive teams.


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