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Tim Skloss 11-01-2008 09:31

Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
The new AndyMark gearboxes are different from the 2006 version and I can't seem to figure out how to make the gear tooth sensors fit.

Using 0.75 inch standoffs I can make the board just fit, but it rubs against the gear--unacceptable.

We followed the AndyMark gearbox instructions and the gears look correct, but this year the gear to be sensed is not up against the cover.

Did I miss something simple?

Thanks in advance.

Tim Skloss 11-01-2008 12:09

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
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Since the holes in the plastic plate didn't give the proper spacing, I decided to drill holes in the aluminum plate. Mounting to the Al plate removes the need for stand-offs and results in a more robust mounting.

The board will not fit as supplied. I trimmed the back corners off of the board so it would fit in the space in the corner of the gearbox.

Using a 1 mm thick piece of cardstock between the sensor and the gear, I marked the hole locations on the aluminum plate and then drilled holes for #8 screws.

Be sure you use PLASTIC washers under the board or you will get short circuits to the gearbox. Don't use metal washers as shown, I had to remove them later when I didn't have the camera.

When finished the sensor worked great. You MUST power it with both 5 and 12 VDC or it will not work. We chose to use a 4-conductor cable instead of the expensive PWM cables.

billbo911 11-01-2008 12:44

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Skloss (Post 675204)
Since the holes in the plastic plate didn't give the proper spacing, I decided to drill holes in the aluminum plate. Mounting to the Al plate removes the need for stand-offs and results in a more robust mounting.

The board will not fit as supplied. I trimmed the back corners off of the board so it would fit in the space in the corner of the gearbox.

Using a 1 mm thick piece of cardstock between the sensor and the gear, I marked the hole locations on the aluminum plate and then drilled holes for #8 screws.

Be sure you use PLASTIC washers under the board or you will get short circuits to the gearbox. Don't use metal washers as shown, I had to remove them later when I didn't have the camera.

When finished the sensor worked great. You MUST power it with both 5 and 12 VDC or it will not work. We chose to use a 4-conductor cable instead of the expensive PWM cables.

Tim, Excellent post!!! The pictures speak a thousand words. I was considering doing the same to ours, and now I see it finished already! All I can say is SWEET!

Alan Anderson 11-01-2008 14:28

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Skloss (Post 675103)
We followed the AndyMark gearbox instructions and the gears look correct, but this year the gear to be sensed is not up against the cover.

Did I miss something simple?

Is your clear cover plate perhaps upside down?

Armando Gonzalez 11-01-2008 18:16

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
One lil question, don't the gears need any lubrication?

The_Laughing_ManMII 11-01-2008 18:18

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
maybe, maybe not, it depends on the material used for the gears

Armando Gonzalez 11-01-2008 18:49

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by action_bastard (Post 675497)
maybe, maybe not, it depends on the material used for the gears

Wow, thanks for the info.

tails9889 11-01-2008 18:51

re: hybrid mode rule (autonomous)
 
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Tim Skloss 11-01-2008 19:20

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 675304)
Is your clear cover plate perhaps upside down?

It's hard to tell. The two holes for the sensor are not symmetrically oriented to the shaft that the gear rotates on--therefore only one board orientation will work.

If the plastic plate is upside down, couldn't you fix that by simply flipping the GTS board over? We tried many ways and the closest we found was pointed right at the gear, but about 1 mm too close. I have not heard if anyone else has had the same problem.

Maybe we missed something, but now that the new holes were drilled in the Al cover (I didn't want to try drilling in the Lexan for fear of messing up) the board seems to work fine.

Tim Skloss 11-01-2008 19:26

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Armando Gonzalez (Post 675495)
One lil question, don't the gears need any lubrication?

We put a small amount of white lithium grease on the two gear pairs. You need something on the gears or they will grind themselves into shards.

We purchased the grease at a local hardware store. Just about any heavy grease will work. Just use enough to give the gears a light coat.

Tim Skloss 11-01-2008 19:31

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 675230)
Tim, Excellent post!!! The pictures speak a thousand words. I was considering doing the same to ours, and now I see it finished already! All I can say is SWEET!

You're welcome! I agree that more posts should be clear, detailed solutions. Giving back constructively to this community is a responsibility for all of us who take from it.

Good luck and I hope to see you in Atlanta!

roborat 11-01-2008 20:51

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
I mounted mine to the clear cover. This is the first time i have used these sensors. They seem to be pretty far away from the gear when mounted. The picture seems to indicate that they read from the end and not the side. Not for sure if i am mounted right.

Gamer930 14-01-2008 21:15

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
Did you have to add some spacers between the gear tooth sensor and the Polycarbonate so it reads the output gear???

AndyB 15-01-2008 01:59

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
I'm curious about this as well. Can a gear tooth sensor work from what seems to be around 3/4" to 1" away from the gear?

roborat 15-01-2008 18:52

Re: Can't mount the gear tooth sensors
 
I could not get a reading today. We are going to download the new easy c codes to see if that helps, since it is a different sensor from last year. We have never used this before and not for sure if we are even wiring it correctly. Where can we find information about where it is suppose to mount and how to wire it.


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