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Terminator 18-01-2008 21:47

pic: Team 25 IR Goggles
 

nuggetsyl 18-01-2008 21:53

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here is a little info for you.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/746423..._for_under_10/

Tytus Gerrish 18-01-2008 21:54

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how does that work its it just a filter or is it like a sensor?

nuggetsyl 18-01-2008 21:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tytus Gerrish (Post 681143)
how does that work its it just a filter or is it like a sensor?

Both. We wanted to see the interference and have true line of site driving.:D

Laaba 80 18-01-2008 22:45

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Kind of a dumb question, but what is the point of them?
Joey

nparikh 18-01-2008 22:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Laaba 80 (Post 681198)
Kind of a dumb question, but what is the point of them?
Joey

First of all, the only dumb question is the one you don't ask!

The point of the IR Goggles is to be able to see the Infrared light being emitted from the remotes on the field. Therefore we can use it to minimize transmission interference and ensure proper communication with the IR board.

flightofone 18-01-2008 23:00

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I recall a rule prohibiting tinted safety glasses. Also, the "communication system" of the RoboCoach is specified to be "handheld", which may pose another issue. Pretty cool looking though.

andrew348 18-01-2008 23:00

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Wow!

I've gotten the chance to see them work and its absolutely nuts, you can see beams of light, like light sabers in blast. This will enable 25 to determine transmission pulse structure and maximize their IR performance.

It is going to be interesting to see them in action.

Laaba 80 18-01-2008 23:00

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That is really cool, I never would have thought of that. Nice thought!
Joey

Cooley744 18-01-2008 23:04

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d00d that's sick!

EricH 18-01-2008 23:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flightofone (Post 681218)
I recall a rule prohibiting tinted safety glasses. Also, the "communication system" of the RoboCoach is specified to be "handheld", which may pose another issue. Pretty cool looking though.

Headmounted has been declared OK by Q&A. The tint might be an issue, but certain tints are legal.

Cooley744 18-01-2008 23:15

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how much did they cost, and where did you get them from? (if i may ask)

nparikh 18-01-2008 23:25

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So, we've been getting lots of IMs and emails about how you can't see IR indoors. Well, this video was taken indoors--decide for yourself. :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VOhFpw_hEs4

Akash Rastogi 18-01-2008 23:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nparikh (Post 681203)
First of all, the only dumb question is the one you don't ask!

The point of the IR Goggles is to be able to see the Infrared light being emitted from the remotes on the field. Therefore we can use it to minimize transmission interference and ensure proper communication with the IR board.

That's an awesome idea! Good luck with it you guys!:)

Ian Curtis 19-01-2008 00:01

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Uhh... guys, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but isn't this kinda a direct violation of <T22>?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Section 9 "The Tournament" from <T22>
The only equipment that may be brought on to the field is the OPERATOR CONSOLE,reasonable decorative items, and special clothing and/or equipment required due to adisability. Other items, particularly those intended to provide a competitive advantage for the ROBOCOACH, are prohibited.
(continues below)

I won't deny however, it is super cool.

technoL 19-01-2008 00:06

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wow that is cool

...now I want to go make a pair just to see the world (except the sun) in IR-Vision

jgannon 19-01-2008 00:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by technoL (Post 681278)
wow that is cool

...now I want to go make a pair just to see the world (except the sun) in IR-Vision

It turns out that you can see the world in IR by (carefully) removing the hot mirror and putting the Congo Blue and Primary Red filters in their place inside a digital camera. It's pretty awesome.


Jim E 19-01-2008 00:46

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These are pretty cool, but I don't see an advantage in the matches.

Camera sensors with proper IR filters can see IR and they make impressive videos. However, it is impossible to make a video of what the human eye actually perceives.


You will not see a beam of light from the LED. They are low power and disperse fairly quickly. You may see that someone has sent an IR command if you are in line-of-sight of the remote.

If one was curious of the science behind this field of optics, go for it. To the rest thinking it will be allowed in the matches, save your money. Spend your time and resources on improving your robot performance.

nuggetsyl 19-01-2008 00:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iCurtis (Post 681273)
Uhh... guys, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but isn't this kinda a direct violation of <T22>?



I won't deny however, it is super cool.

This rule is intended for the drive teams giving the robotcoach a competitive advantage. It says nothing about remotes.

Ian Curtis 19-01-2008 01:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nuggetsyl (Post 681307)
This rule is intended for the drive teams giving the robotcoach a competitive advantage. It says nothing about remotes.

You're right. It does say nothing about remotes. But if I understand correctly (and please correct me if I'm wrong), you plan on having your robocoach wear these nifty glasses that let them see IR beams.

<T22> disallows devices which give the robocoach a competitive advantage. By allowing your robocoach to see the IR beam through these nifty glasses, and align precisely with your IR receiver, and avoid interference, aren't you allowing him/her a competitive advantage, as the ability to see the actual beams is not shared by all robocoaches?

Additionally, what do you mean by the drive team giving the robocoach a competitive advantage?

Mr. Freeman 19-01-2008 01:30

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I'm still not too clear on how these work. I understand that the red and blue filters allow only the IR light to be passed through, but why does that matter if the human eye can't see IR in the first place? It makes sense that it would work with a camera because of how digital cameras detect light, but if the human eye can't see it then how does only exposing the eye to IR help at all?

Otaku 19-01-2008 02:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Freeman (Post 681322)
I'm still not too clear on how these work. I understand that the red and blue filters allow only the IR light to be passed through, but why does that matter if the human eye can't see IR in the first place? It makes sense that it would work with a camera because of how digital cameras detect light, but if the human eye can't see it then how does only exposing the eye to IR help at all?

The naked eye CAN see IR. It's just that it's so horribly washed out by "visible light" that we never notice it. Filter out typical "visible light", and what do you get? IR.

I've been fiddling with this, too. How do you guys make them? They look like video goggles.

Wayne C. 19-01-2008 09:08

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At team 25 we always see the world with rose colored glasses

Kims Robot 19-01-2008 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 681229)
Headmounted has been declared OK by Q&A. The tint might be an issue, but certain tints are legal.

Can you quote the Q&A? I searched and have read through all of them, and cant seem to find anything regarding the Robocoach wearing IR glasses.

EricH 19-01-2008 13:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kims Robot (Post 681489)
Can you quote the Q&A? I searched and have read through all of them, and cant seem to find anything regarding the Robocoach wearing IR glasses.

I only said headmounted. I said nothing about IR vision.

lukevanoort 19-01-2008 16:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Otaku (Post 681330)
The naked eye CAN see IR. It's just that it's so horribly washed out by "visible light" that we never notice it. Filter out typical "visible light", and what do you get? IR.

I've been fiddling with this, too. How do you guys make them? They look like video goggles.

I don't think so. The eye can barely pick up anything over 700nm (ie essentially cannot see), and IR starts at 750nm. If we could see IR, then many IR based nightvision systems would be pretty much flashlights, and chimneys would glow at night.

Kristian Calhoun 19-01-2008 16:10

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This first generation headset proved to be clumsier, heavier, and less effective than the previously posted modified one.

DonRotolo 19-01-2008 16:12

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I smell hoax.

henryBsick 19-01-2008 19:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nparikh (Post 681255)
So, we've been getting lots of IMs and emails about how you can't see IR indoors. Well, this video was taken indoors--decide for yourself. :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VOhFpw_hEs4

That is the camera viewing the IR source, not a naked eye.

Try it out with your camera phone and a TV remote.... same effect.
Its how I check to see if the batteries are still good on my TV remote (depending upon the TV remote being functional of course).


Free IR Hack:
Put your camera phone in picture mode and watch the screen.

Newzealand38 20-01-2008 19:03

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Gotcha

Newzealand38 20-01-2008 19:14

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Where can i find said goggles?

Kristian Calhoun 20-01-2008 19:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Newzealand38 (Post 682354)

Eh hem,

May I divert your attention to the Stuntmaster IR Headtracking project? :rolleyes:

tpage22 20-01-2008 20:21

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Just open up an old digital camera, find the CCD chip, remove the small glass infrared filter and replace it with a couple pieces of exposed 35mm negatives (found on the end of every strip of negatives from back in the analogue days).

Put it all back together and you have a perfect infrared camera that blocks all visible light, and allows you to use a remote control as a flashlight.

Pictures coming soon.

Tytus Gerrish 21-01-2008 16:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tpage22 (Post 682415)
Just open up an old digital camera, find the CCD chip, remove the small glass infrared filter and replace it with a couple pieces of exposed 35mm negatives (found on the end of every strip of negatives from back in the analogue days).

Put it all back together and you have a perfect infrared camera that blocks all visible light, and allows you to use a remote control as a flashlight.

Pictures coming soon.

I tried to do this with a legacy camera but i couldn't manage to take the camera apart without destroying some circutry. i found some DIY page on the internet witch discribed exactly that. If you do that Please pass it on. There are a few gizmo's im working on that would benefit from your knowledge


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