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bsbllpss 18-01-2008 21:59

fans on victors
 
I have a question. To some it may seem stupid. Our we absolutely recquired by rule to use a fan on every victor? Even if there's more than adequate ventilation near the victor?

nuggetsyl 18-01-2008 22:01

Re: fans on victors
 
I think you will burn it out if you do not use it. They make is a ton of heat when running your bot a lot.

billbo911 18-01-2008 22:01

Re: fans on victors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bsbllpss (Post 681148)
I have a question. To some it may seem stupid. Our we absolutely recquired by rule to use a fan on every victor? Even if there's more than adequate ventilation near the victor?

Honestly, I don't know if there is a rule requiring it, though there may be. IMHO, if you want to make more than one lap, you will use them.

bsbllpss 18-01-2008 22:03

Re: fans on victors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 681155)
Honestly, I don't know if there is a rule requiring it, though there may be. IMHO, if you want to make more than one lap, you will use them.

I've run the 'bot alot without the fans on the victors, though there is quite alot of mini-duct fans around and near the victors just none on top of them. I've also seen quite a few people saying that they've done fine running w/o them.

beemgruem 18-01-2008 22:40

Re: fans on victors
 
I would just wire it in case, actually I did just in case:)

This link shows how to wire it also..

http://www.ifirobotics.com/docs/ifi-...al-9-25-06.pdf

I hope it would be helpful..

popo308 19-01-2008 00:24

Re: fans on victors
 
You will not pass inspection without a fan on every victor they are required buy FIRST....

For testing though they are not needed we run them under load all the time with no fan and have had no problems!

Ian Curtis 19-01-2008 00:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by popo308 (Post 681288)
You will not pass inspection without a fan on every victor they are required buy FIRST....

For testing though they are not needed we run them under load all the time with no fan and have had no problems!

Section 8 "The Robot"

If that was a rule, it would be contained within the text of that document. It is not.

Futhermore this Q&A specifically states it is allowed, just NOT a very good idea.

However, in my opinion it is a bad idea to remove them for two reasons. The obvious one is cooling, the other is that they are another line of defense against the magic smoke. Actually, it probably doesn't even work that well at protecting from falling aluminum, but it makes me feel secure. :D

popo308 19-01-2008 00:45

Re: fans on victors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iCurtis (Post 681293)
Section 8 "The Robot"

If that was a rule, it would be contained within the text of that document. It is not.

Futhermore this Q&A specifically states it is allowed, just NOT a very good idea.

However, in my opinion it is a bad idea to remove them for two reasons. The obvious one is cooling, the other is that they are another line of defense against the magic smoke. Actually, it probably doesn't even work that well at protecting from falling aluminum, but it makes me feel secure. :D

Sorry i guess i should of read the rule a little closer in previous years i believe we were told to put a fan on victors with no fans.... (could of been a diff team) but i was almost positive they required them...

Yet again rules change year to year

Drwurm 19-01-2008 00:49

Re: fans on victors
 
As one of our electronics mentors put it, if the Victor needs a fan, something is wrong. They will run cool without the fan. But yes, it is a bit safer.

DonRotolo 19-01-2008 15:08

Re: fans on victors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwurm (Post 681303)
As one of our electronics mentors put it, if the Victor needs a fan, something is wrong.

Not exactly true. The Victor should have a large heat sink, but doesn't, and instead the heat is managed by a fan. WQithout the heat sink (and without a fan) the Victor must be severely derated.

Don

Andy A. 19-01-2008 17:07

Re: fans on victors
 
I've run victors with out fans in many of my non FIRST related uses. They don't get nearly as hot in typical use as you might believe.

In the past an inspector noticed that one of the fans on a victor wasn't running on a 95 'bot, and required that it be replaced before passing us. It seems this year that it is not a requirement. I would bring this Q&A with you if you do plan on removing any of the fans. Some inspectors may view it as modifying supplied electronics.

So, if it were my call, I would remove the fans on low current motors and leave them on drive motors and such. Over the course of a two minute match something like a seat motor just won't be able to overheat a Victor. A small CIM motor, however, might.

-Andy A.

Drwurm 19-01-2008 17:17

Re: fans on victors
 
The main thing here, is that it doesn't take much to outfit the Victor with a fan. Just run the fan wires down to the victor screws and you're done. They don't use much power, and they'll keep your 115 dollar controllers a bit cooler.

mta 19-01-2008 17:25

Re: fans on victors
 
why would you not use the fans? they only take like, one inch of space and they keep your bot safe. new victors are EXPENSIVE. So just be safe.

~Team 1896

Andy A. 19-01-2008 17:31

Re: fans on victors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwurm (Post 681704)
The main thing here, is that it doesn't take much to outfit the Victor with a fan. Just run the fan wires down to the victor screws and you're done. They don't use much power, and they'll keep your 115 dollar controllers a bit cooler.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mta (Post 681710)
why would you not use the fans? they only take like, one inch of space and they keep your bot safe. new victors are EXPENSIVE. So just be safe.
~Team 1896

The fans are, however, heavy. Removing fans that are not doing anything useful can shave off some weight. Every ounce counts.

Believe me, in past seasons being able to remove a couple fans would have saved a lot of effort and hole drilling on my part.

bsbllpss 19-01-2008 20:10

Re: fans on victors
 
our electronics box is the reason why we're removing the fans
there is not enough clearance with the fans on
the box is outfitted with plenty of fans around the sides so there will be plenty of ventilation


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