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falconmaster

03-02-2008 23:53

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Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 691768)

We like to play around with different materials, finding the best material for each part, kind of as an engineering exercise. A lot of that has to do with the equipment we have available in the shop, time needed to order materials and build parts, as well as the loading on each part. I think fiberglass is really excellent for frames, but it is a bit more tricky to use it in the upper parts of the robot, and we haven't gotten good enough at designing with it yet to feel confident using it there.

Ok we will let is slide this time, because it does look cool! We haven't seen a 3 inch c channel before. It looks "mini"!

MrForbes

03-02-2008 23:56

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It's actually 4" C channel on the frame. Gary did most of the chassis design on Inventor. Also our promobot we built in the fall used fiberglass for all the structural parts, so we are playing around with it a bit. Time to order more, though

Amir	04-02-2008 00:09

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Is the tensioner an off the shelf item or machined from a piece of round stock? If it is off the shelf where did you get it? If not what material is it, HMWPE or Nylon? We are looking for a new/easier tensioning system and we have been leaning toward the off-center circle. I would also like to know what materials work best for this method.

Thanks,

Amir

MrForbes

04-02-2008 00:13

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We made the green tensioners with oil impregnated nylon rod (2" diameter), turned on the lathe.

The white material (UHMW Polyethylene) that the chain guide is made of would work well too, I suppose...we had the nylon rod left over from last year, so we made the tensioners with it.

Also we added an internal/external tooth lockwasher between the tensioner and frame rail to make sure it would not slip.

GUI	04-02-2008 00:13

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Nevermind, Mr. Forbes beat me to it!

Matt H.

04-02-2008 00:14

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The tensioner is nylon because it tends to self lubricate as it wears away. The piece was machined on a lathe--it was simply a matter of cutting away a little from each side of a thin piece leaving a small runner to guide the chain (you could also cut a groove)--I'll see if I can get some more detailed picture later.

We have been using nylon for tensioners since last year and have little visible wear on it even after two regionals.

Amir	04-02-2008 00:22

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We have used the nylon spring-loaded ones from McMaster and it is kind of clunky and hard to incorporate into the chassis.

Can you tell me which nylon round stock you used? I don't need a picture but others may benefit from one.

Thanks

Amir

GUI	04-02-2008 00:23

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I believe it was McMaster part # 8664K15

Matt H.

04-02-2008 00:24

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Do a mcmaster search for oil-filled nylon rods I believe we used either the 1 1/2in or the 2 in rod.

MrForbes

04-02-2008 00:25

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McMaster part number 8664K15 is enough to last for a few years :)

Aren_Hill

04-02-2008 00:32

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i have to say i do like the pulltrusion shape that easily makes what would've taken multiple pieces of other materials to make. And it would've most likely ended up heavier.

looks like a great drive base, how much did you lower the center wheel?

Amir	04-02-2008 00:34

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Do you know if the oil-filled nylon is better than the oil-filled UHMWPE, part number 5243T23? The reason I ask is that the chain guides you are using are made from UHMWPE not nylon.

GUI	04-02-2008 00:34

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Center wheel is lowered 1/8"

Matt H.

04-02-2008 00:35

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We used the nylon because we had it on hand--Either should work well.

GUI	04-02-2008 00:36

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Originally Posted by Amir (Post 691799)

Do you know if the oil-filled nylon is better than the oil-filled UHMWPE, part number 5243T23? The reason I ask is that the chain guides you are using are made from UHMWPE not nylon.

When playing with the chain, the UHMWPE seemed to be a little more slippery. We used the nylon because we already had it, if I was ordering material for the tensioners i would go for the UHMWPE.

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