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CuriousGeorge 14-02-2008 23:37

what type of robot will win the most?
 
robots who can place the ball on the overpass at the end of the match and who can put the ball over the overpass at a moderate-fast speed.

i believe these kind of robots will place first and win the championship as well

maybe with the help of a shooter.. but a team of shooters will loose compared to placers..

heres why.. shooters can easily be knocked out of place and hurl ball way off target just by pushing them, as well as most shooters not being able to knock the ball off the overpass in the beg.

there is a lot of flaws with shooters.. i just dont see them winning it all

synth3tk 14-02-2008 23:39

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
All the robots win, because we built them and they work. ;)

seanl 14-02-2008 23:41

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
i think this years game is based alot on the hybrid period the more you score in hybrid the more likely your going to win.

BornaE 14-02-2008 23:43

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
First of all, If you knock of the shooters when they are hurdling, you get a 10 point penalty.
Second, Shooters can hurdle faster.

And third, Shooter have a low c of g and so they can drive around the track faster w/o tipping over.

and last, instead of putting the ball up, you can hurdle at the end of the game, and you only get 4 points less than the arms

Jeff K. 14-02-2008 23:45

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
Shooters can do that..if they can get the ball down.

CuriousGeorge 14-02-2008 23:45

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 0705920 (Post 699232)
First of all, If you knock of the shooters when they are hurdling, you get a 10 point penalty.
Second, Shooters can hurdle faster.

And third, Shooter have a low c of g and so they can drive around the track faster w/o tipping over.

and last, instead of putting the ball up, you can hurdle at the end of the game, and you only get 4 points less than the arms

no one said u cant push them around be4 they get the ball at all =D

CuriousGeorge 14-02-2008 23:47

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
also i predict within the first few regionals a lot of restrictions are going to be in affect with shooting or projectile robots due to the safety hazard...

if one robot turns by accident or releases the ball at the wrong time.. someone can get seriously hurt...

this worries me as well

MrForbes 14-02-2008 23:49

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
It'll be challenging to push them around in hybrid mode. (that's when we're going to first get the ball)

BornaE 14-02-2008 23:49

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
All of the shooters that i have seen up to now can get the ball down
Including 1726, 842, 39, 375

BornaE 14-02-2008 23:56

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
We can get the ball during the hybrid mode as well :) :rolleyes:

CuriousGeorge 15-02-2008 00:10

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 0705920 (Post 699232)
First of all, If you knock of the shooters when they are hurdling, you get a 10 point penalty.
Second, Shooters can hurdle faster.

ALSO u can push them around as much as u want, without pinning for more than 6 seconds as well as not high speed ramming for destruction..

but if u are moving them be4 they hurdle then it doesnt count as a penalty because they were already being moved

read between the lines.. and the fact that they hurdle faster means that i can drive in and push them around faster as well... their best offense.. is my best defense =D

Stuart 15-02-2008 00:13

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
I think shooters will do well because of speed of scoring. . but on that note the winning alliances WILL have robots the can place the ball at the end of the match

TheOtherGuy 15-02-2008 00:15

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
who says the shooters and the robots placing balls at the end won't be one and the same?

(we've done this constantly during testing)

CraigHickman 15-02-2008 00:40

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge (Post 699235)
no one said u cant push them around be4 they get the ball at all =D

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge (Post 699247)
ALSO u can push them around as much as u want, without pinning for more than 6 seconds as well as not high speed ramming for destruction..

but if u are moving them be4 they hurdle then it doesnt count as a penalty because they were already being moved

read between the lines.. and the fact that they hurdle faster means that i can drive in and push them around faster as well... their best offense.. is my best defense =D

Dude... Have you read this year's rule book? Mainly the large section about defensive pushing being strictly not allowed? You might want to go read it... And if "they" can hurdle faster, it means a few things: They're fast driving, which means it's hard to catch them. Oh wait, defense is banned! Whoops! They're fast at scoring, which means they will hurdle a LOT.

My prediction is that the winning team will have two runners to bring the ball around, with one very quick hurdler sending the ball over the pass FAST, with some sort of shooting/throwing mechanism.

ALIBI 15-02-2008 01:17

Re: what type of robot will win the most?
 
Hybrid, Hybrid, Hybrid. That term has certainly changed from last year. Bots that can consistantly score well in hybrid will go a long way. A prior post talked about removing a trackball during hybrid, what about a robot that can remove two trackballs in hybrid? You know you will see it happen. It is like any other year, certain bots will do well depending on the alliances they are with or against. The key to this year is controlled speed. I do not care if you are a lifter bot or some type of shooter for hurdling. You have to be stable and reasonably fast. Defense, well, chasing down trackballs that are being defensively pushed around will be difficult. A fast lifter/shooter bot that can possess the trackball quickly will do well. No matter how well you lift/shoot the trackball, you still have to get it off the floor. Placing is overated, unless you plan on staying put to guard your placed trackball, someone will come around and knock it down, remember, there is no protection while placing the trackball on the overpass. The benefit to placing is that you can do it on either overpass so that if you are stuck by the other teams overpass, you could place there. Otherwise, why not hurdle (protected) and zip over the finish line for almost the same points?

The best bot this year: Better than average hybrid, must be able to remove the trackball, must be able to hurdle quickly, must be able to retrieve the trackball off the floor quickly.


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