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Re: Impeding in Hybrid
Well, on the subject of impeding, all I have to say is that team 1741 (yes, i'm on that team, and i know because I gave this idea out!) used the great idea of stopping early in hybrid mode so that team 148 could not go any farther than where we were (brilliant, right? ;) ), and from what I know, another team did the same in the final matches in the elimination! YAY for my idea! :cool:
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The Q&A is quite clear that the GDC intended for teams to not be allowed to block in hybrid. Due to the fact that the Q&A response was not added to a Team Update, it's easy for me to believe that the referees were not aware of it. Furthermore, as Joey pointed out to me yesterday, and I now seem to recall this being the case, that in the case of a Q&A response disagreeing with the manual, the manual/team updates take precedence. I'm not sure where this was stated. Can anyone else confirm? I think we all just need to chill out and wait for a team update to clarify this situation. |
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I agree 100% with Raul (and Travis .. which never happens). Those of you that have made an auton (hybrid, whatever) that can do laps, stop whining. It is quite ridiculous. We have a hybrid that does laps and we have been stopped by 1 robot moving to block us. 1 robot can't stop the flow of traffic ... period.
This is not a science fair. Being able to complete a lap in autonomous with no one on the field is boring. Being able to complete a lap with others in your way is exciting. People tried to do this to us in hybrid all elimination rounds. The risk that they are taking is to not get any points in hybrid. 45 tried to do this in finals 1 and 148 went in front of them and we went behind them. The result: a 36 point deficit after hybrid. One robot moving 3 feet and stopping will not be called impeding this year and we all better stop complaining and get used to it. I can't believe the amount of whining already, especially from teams who haven't even played yet. |
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Oh, and I agree with Tristan on 1519's robot. Unless both parts together violated a rule (weight/size), it should have been allowed to play as is. |
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I believe the situation has already been clarified--that is what the Q&A is for. It is simply a matter of the refs not being aware of a preexisting rule.
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Right now, it is not clear if the Q&A can override the rules when they contradict. Usually this isn't an issue because Q&As that change the game substantially are quickly incorporated into the team updates. |
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(On the other hand, running into a stationary robot at high speed is likely to deserve a penalty for ramming.) |
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I hate that this thread makes me disagree with people I respect, but; based on the wording of the Q&A, it just says block traffic. So, I would assume any intentional traffic blocking, whether or not it blocked the whole lane, is illegal. [quote]However, intentional strategies designed to block traffic during the Hybrid Period will not be permitted. This may be considered a Yellow Card offense.[/[quote]] |
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I suppose the issue here is what the definition of blocking traffic is. The GDC in Q and A says that strategies designed to block traffic are not allowed. Some here are interpreting this to be in conflict with the manual. However consider the idea that they are in perfect agreement. The manual says that a robot is not impeding if there is a passing lane. Phrased another way, a robot that is stopped (whether in hybrid or teleoperated mode) is not blocking traffic if there is a passing lane. A strategy that involves blocking traffic would require a concerted effort to block all lanes. Therefore a single robot driving forward and stopping in the known path of another robot's hybrid is not blocking traffic as long as there are other avenues to travel. This is simply a good idea, not an illegal move.
During Aim High I was very impressed with various team's strategies during autonomous to block the shooters. I was even more impressed during elimination rounds at the ever evolving auto modes where a shooter was blocked, then the next round the blocker was blocked to free up the shooter. I have to believe that any team clever enough to drive laps during hybrid mode can counteract a simple parked robot. |
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And regarding the order of precedence of rules, it has not, to my knowledge, been stated anywhere official this year. In the past (not necessarily last year), there was a communication from FIRST that said rules, team updates, e-mail blasts and Q&As were official, and that in case of conflict, the most recent revision of the rule (i.e. from the latest rulebook and/or latest update) was binding. Q&As and e-mail blasts were interpreted as being clarifying statements only, but could not change what was in the rulebook. I've personally continued to operate under the assumption that that hierarchy is valid, but I make sure to take account of whether an official order of precedence has been issued (and therefore if a team should have been expected to follow it). |
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Although this may sound lawyer like I believe there is little conflict between the manual and the Q&A. As many teams have pointed out the impeding rules in the manual do not apply to hybrid period.
The Q&A makes not mention of impeding. It only mentions blocking. This word choice is highly significant and would indicate that their intent is to allow no obstruction of the field. Part of the problem in discussing these issues is that first has taken common words such as impeding and given them very specific definitions. |
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You are looking at the impeding RULES not the definition. The rule you are talking about only applies in teleoperated, it means nothing in hybrid. The real definition of hybrid is: Quote:
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Also, I dont think that the Q&A is conflicting. If the manual has nothing about impeding/blocking in hybrid, how can the 2 be conflicting? Joey |
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