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Personally, i didnt think they were the most feared teams in '06 (121,217 come to mind ;)), but in '06 ANY team of good shooters could win the game as long as they had balls and could get auto mode down.

I dont think that the obvious team will win this year either.
I think a 3 seed is going to win :P

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Well at the 2008 Microsoft Seattle Regional our alliance was doing pretty good together. Team 1983, Team 2046 and Team 949 went through the finals without losing any game. Seattle does not have the every strong teams like 1114 or 368 (they really impressed me in Portland) but I think we built a very strong alliance.

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---off topic---
Slightly untrue. In Einstein semifinals, the 195, 968, 25 alliance purposely lost the auto mode to beat the 177, 1126, 201 alliance.

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Interesting. Would you care to explain how you came to that decision and why?

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25 and 968 shot in auto. 195 played defense.
1126 and 201 shot in auto. 177 played defense.

1126 and 201 could outscore 25 and 968 in auto, but 25 and 968 had a big advantage in teleop (they both camped under the goal and rarely missed)

So, it was worth it to put 25 on defense on 1126 and 201 in auto and hand them the 10 point bonus, but try to take away more than 10 points in missed shots. (1126 would have hit 10/10 without defense)

Then, 968 and 25 could start the teleop portion with a full magazine, and hit a higher percentage rather than throwing them away in auto.

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I had PM'ed him right away with a full response...was trying to keep this thread on topic.
Sheesh Tom and Greg.
Greg, shouldn't you be webcasting?

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But Corey, don't you know theres only one type of alliance and one strategy that can win? Like last year. 2 good tubers and a ramp bot, right? :cool:

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After my explanation, please put this thread on topic.

SparX's robot broke. The timing belt for the shooter pulley snapped! It was not intentional. Something happened physically to the robot. That is why only one ball came out of the shooter. Does this explain everything to everyone? And why SparX's robot did not perform as well as expected the rest of the matches?

Now, lets get on topic. The 2008 Ultimate Alliance :yikes:!

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I would agree you mostly here. I would think that an ultimate alliance would be one with there hurdlers that are also fast with doing laps. This is because the opposing alliance can never predict what robot is going to have the ball. Also, I would say this alliance would want one arm hurdler to be able to place at the end for the bonus. From this, I would say the ultimate alliance would be 1114, 217, and 121.

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Any team can play defense.

An Ultimate Alliance needs to be of course to great shooters and then if possible because of the amount of teams available during the picking process a third shooter, The alliance leader and its companion hurdler are going to have targets on their back. If one robot is being pinnned down then you still have 2 more robots with at least the "potential" to shoot. Teams are limiting themselves by saying just take a quick lapper or D bot. Sure, some of those robots can consistently put up 5-10 laps, but points won hurdling over the bars can be exponentially more.

Just because a team has a device to hurdle, doesn't mean they cant still do laps and play D, and a majority of the teams I see with those capabilities are just as quick as a robot that is just Def./herder.

This year because the game piece was large I think that really slowed team downs on how to accomplish the game task. There is a Definite opinion of who top teams are, and then theres a small middle tier between WoW and Ok.
Good Luck to ALL teams! Keep up the good work!
-SeanC 987:confused:

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An important thing to keep in mind is that more than two hurdlers on one team may be overkill, I think two good hurdlers and a speed bot with a solid hybrid mode. If some form of an ultimate alliance were formed I could see 12-14 lines in Hybrid, both balls knocked off, and 10 hurdles(maybe more). An individual robot can't do much better than putting up numbers like both balls and 5 lines in hybrid and 6 or 7 hurdles in a match.(oh...wait that sounds like 1114) any team with 1114 is an ultimate alliance.

Regardless of a speed bot I would think three hurdlers would be 1114, 103 and 217. In saying this i'nm not taking anything away from 118, 25, 27, 40,20,121,126, 968, 987,1024 and some others as well.:D

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This thread has two tangents.
Who you think is the ultimate alliance and who we think will do successfully well at CMP.
The discussion will get more interesting once the divisions are setup. It's too bad we are going to have to wait a week longer now due to that week 6 regional.
Cant wait to see what everyone says once that's setup.

I think the Hawaii regional this past week had arguably 5 of the top 12 robots in the world. Bragging rights of a top score of 148 in the finals match. :ahh:

The Poofs, Pink and RAWC are long overdue for a world title.
Pink and Raider Robotix certainly with an all around robot with their hybrid mode. Even these teams agreed that once 368, kika mana fine tunes their hybrid mode, they are very very good. they will certainly be scouted, choosing or be chosen this year at CMP as an alliance partner.

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The bottom line is this,if 217 THE THUNDERCHICKENS, and 1114 THE SIMBOTS team up ,FORGET ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!! With these two awsome teams and scoring machines together,with the masterminds of Paul and Karthik lights out 8,9,10! Add another good scorer that can lap or play some D and you have a powerhouse!!!!!!!

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Best alliance ever would be Team 987 High Rollers and Team 39 Aero Squadron and another great team.