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Andrew Bates 22-04-2008 16:58
Re: New FTC Platform
 
There are several sites that sell sensors designed to be compatible with the Lego NXT. For example HiTechnic. Is that what you mean?

Ken Delaney 357 23-04-2008 09:39
Re: New FTC Platform
 
Is anyone concerned with how complex/expensive the shwocase field would be to build? I spent a whole day building the filed elements for QQ, I wonder how long it would take to build the "FIRST Response" field. FIRST needs to remember one of the initial misssions of FTC, that is a low cost competition.

I hope FIRST responds to all of the concerns that FIRSTers are hvaing with the new direction of FTC

Andrew Bates 23-04-2008 09:45
Re: New FTC Platform
 
I never thought of that but you're right. To make that "debris" field one would have to make probably over 100 cuts and then glue each piece in the right spot...

Jeff K. 23-04-2008 09:53
Re: New FTC Platform
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 741243)
I apologize if this was announced elsewhere, but from a quick reading of this thread I didn't see an answer. Is it possible to interface non-Lego sensors with the NXT controller? Will it be legal to do so (although I doubt anyone knows this answer yet)?
I have very mixed feelings towards Lego NXT sensors from my experience with them, particularly the ultrasonic and light sensors. The more expensive HiTechnic NXT sensors may or may not be more reliable, but I have no experience with them.

In the rules we got for the showcase, we were allowed to make custom circuits like sensors. The HiTechnic NXT sensors are supplied in the kit and the programmer said they worked fairly reliably.

KathieK 23-04-2008 11:41
Re: New FTC Platform
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Delaney 357 (Post 741583)
Is anyone concerned with how complex/expensive the shwocase field would be to build? I spent a whole day building the filed elements for QQ, I wonder how long it would take to build the "FIRST Response" field. FIRST needs to remember one of the initial misssions of FTC, that is a low cost competition.
My first thought was, where will we store all of that? Right now I have field elements and boxes of supplies all over the place and have to find a central location for all of it.

ttldomination 23-04-2008 11:45
Re: New FTC Platform
 
Well at least now we can see what real life challenges are.

As for the field goes, I dun think that having the entire thing is necessary. I hope that the actual games won't involve such complex fields.

gfrankel1 23-04-2008 14:38
Re: New FTC Platform
 
I apologize if this has already been posted. However, I feel very strongly about this. This is my first year of involvement in FTC and I must admit that I am hooked. I must also admit, however, that what hooked me is what seemed to be lacking from the FTC showcase in Atlanta - excitement.

While the new platform seems OK. The new "real world" challenges were boring...almost painful to watch. I feel that the challenge lacked the head to head adrenaline inducing challenge of the FRC and the current FTC game. I also fear that FTC is heading towards becoming a beefed-up version of FLL rather than a scaled-down version of FRC and that this will discourage kids from wanting to participate.

Thanks for listening.

Gary Frankel

wilsonmw04 23-04-2008 17:57
Re: New FTC Platform
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gfrankel1 (Post 741711)
I apologize if this has already been posted. However, I feel very strongly about this. This is my first year of involvement in FTC and I must admit that I am hooked. I must also admit, however, that what hooked me is what seemed to be lacking from the FTC showcase in Atlanta - excitement.

While the new platform seems OK. The new "real world" challenges were boring...almost painful to watch. I feel that the challenge lacked the head to head adrenaline inducing challenge of the FRC and the current FTC game. I also fear that FTC is heading towards becoming a beefed-up version of FLL rather than a scaled-down version of FRC and that this will discourage kids from wanting to participate.

Thanks for listening.

Gary Frankel
If the "FIRST Response" is the direction that the game is going, I'm not sure how excited my students will be. I strongly urge the new game committee to keep the FRC "lite" concept going.

ttldomination 23-04-2008 18:07
Re: New FTC Platform
 
I see what you mean. The real competitions are much more exciting.

As for the new games go, I hope that first continues to make FTC games much like the previous year's FRC games. The ones there were a real...bore...it doesn't leave much room for friendly competition.

Andrew Bates 23-04-2008 18:08
Re: New FTC Platform
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gfrankel1 (Post 741711)
I apologize if this has already been posted. However, I feel very strongly about this. This is my first year of involvement in FTC and I must admit that I am hooked. I must also admit, however, that what hooked me is what seemed to be lacking from the FTC showcase in Atlanta - excitement.

While the new platform seems OK. The new "real world" challenges were boring...almost painful to watch. I feel that the challenge lacked the head to head adrenaline inducing challenge of the FRC and the current FTC game. I also fear that FTC is heading towards becoming a beefed-up version of FLL rather than a scaled-down version of FRC and that this will discourage kids from wanting to participate.

Thanks for listening.

Gary Frankel
There will always be games like the previous FTC games. If next years FTC game doesn't suit your needs then look elsewhere. I'm sure IFI will release a new game next year similar to this years Bridge Battle.

wilsonmw04 23-04-2008 18:42
Re: New FTC Platform
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by corpralchee (Post 741814)
There will always be games like the previous FTC games. If next years FTC game doesn't suit your needs then look elsewhere. I'm sure IFI will release a new game next year similar to this years Bridge Battle.
isn't that what's great about where we live? We do have freedom of choice. If the game doesn't suit my team we will look elsewhere. I will be disappointed but that's something we would have to do. I am VERY excited about the new kit. I am very excited to see what my kids can do with it. I am just a bit concerned about the game that we saw in Atlanta. It just doesn't seem fun. I wanted to like it. I wanted to enjoy it, but it was just plain boring.

KathieK 23-04-2008 19:03
Re: New FTC Platform
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by corpralchee (Post 741814)
There will always be games like the previous FTC games. If next years FTC game doesn't suit your needs then look elsewhere. I'm sure IFI will release a new game next year similar to this years Bridge Battle.
There are many robotics competitions, which is great! I like to think of FIRST as a program with a competition attached.

gblake 23-04-2008 22:36
Re: New FTC Platform
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by corpralchee (Post 741585)
I never thought of that but you're right. To make that "debris" field one would have to make probably over 100 cuts and then glue each piece in the right spot...
From experience with a previous showcase field - building the ramps correctly is an even bigger pain (for me at least).

thatguy 23-04-2008 23:32
Re: New FTC Platform
 
For now the sound of this comment has made me personally relieved

(from http://usfirst.org/community/fvc/content.aspx?id=9044 )

Quote:
Game design for the upcoming 2008 season will start soon and the new game will be announced in September. We will continue to feature head-to-head competition and the use of alliances. The new platform allows FIRST to expand the level of challenge teams will face.
What it says next scares me a bit:

Quote:
The 2008 game will include tasks that reflect real-world issues faced by robotics designers today. Uneven surfaces, manipulation of objects, and greater use of sensor technology will be featured.
Stupid confusion...

fredliu168 24-04-2008 00:04
Re: New FTC Platform
 
I'm excited and worried at the same time.

Chances are you will see our team in the Ontario FTC Competition next year. Whether I will be there... time will tell.


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