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MatthewMachart 18-03-2008 12:23

Like Metal?
 
I'm a huge fan of the Metal genre, so i thought I'd get a discussion up and going to talk about Concerts, bands, new albums etc. So yea!

Derek Smith 18-03-2008 15:15

Re: Like Metal?
 
Who doesn't love the classics? Reign In Blood, Number of the Beast, Ride the Lightning, British Steel, Vulgar Display of Power? Yes, please.

Lil' Lavery 18-03-2008 17:43

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\m/ \m/
I love melodic death, progressive, and thrash metal, as well as some sludge, doom, groove metal.
Opeth, Lamb of God, [old] In Flames, Nevermore, [old] Metallica, Slayer, Children of Bodom, The Sword, Iron Maiden, Arch Enemy, At the Gates, Dark Tranquillity, Black Sabbath, The Haunted, etc.
http://www.last.fm/user/Lil_Lavery/

MatthewMachart 18-03-2008 17:52

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very nice bands lavery. I'm gonna post my band list soon =]

i_am_samus 18-03-2008 18:09

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I lof metal \m/

I'm into anything that isn't sound basically. I used to like In Flames, but they're just sound, IMO.

Children of Bodom, Metallica (possibly the greatest band out there), Avenged Sevenfold, All That Remains, As I Lay Dying, Disturbed and many more...

Classic rock and Punk rock are some genres I prefer as well, but not as much as metal.

*plays air guitar to Fade to Black by Metallica*

Boydean 18-03-2008 19:15

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Im all about some Dragon Force and Ramstein.

MatthewMachart 18-03-2008 19:39

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I'm so pump! I'm going to a Dimmu Borgir and Behemoth concert in April, shortly followed by Children of Bodom and In Flames in May!

ZakuAce 18-03-2008 20:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Smith (Post 720389)
Who doesn't love the classics? Reign In Blood, Number of the Beast, Ride the Lightning, British Steel, Vulgar Display of Power? Yes, please.

...Me...except for some Black Sabbath...

MatthewMachart 18-03-2008 20:51

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All of us should try and meet up during the finale (social) =]

Jeremiah Johnson 18-03-2008 21:40

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I love metal!

Last Tuesday I went to Taste of Chaos in Chicago. I fell in love with J-Rock (Japanese metal) that day.

The lineup:
Avenged Sevenfold
Atreyu
blessthefall
Bullet for My Valentine
Mucc
IdiotPilot
The Underneath
D'espairsRay


A7X puts on a terrible show... IMO, Bullet for My Valentine and Atreyu are 100X better. Blessthefall was amazing, also. D'espairsRay was my favorite, though. I was able to get front and center for Bullet, blessthefall, and Atreyu. I have the bruises to prove it... That railing did not have padding on it and I have a bruise between my man boobs and my stomach that runs all the way across my chest. It was amazing!!

Danny McC 18-03-2008 22:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 720498)
\m/ \m/
I love melodic death, progressive, and thrash metal, as well as some sludge, doom, groove metal.
Opeth, Lamb of God, [old] In Flames, Nevermore, [old] Metallica, Slayer, Children of Bodom, The Sword, Iron Maiden, Arch Enemy, At the Gates, Dark Tranquillity, Black Sabbath, The Haunted, etc.
http://www.last.fm/user/Lil_Lavery/

Good call on all these bands they are all on my Zune. But I am going to have to add Beneath the Massacre, As Blood Runs Black, Everytime I Die.

Lions for First 18-03-2008 22:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 720498)
\m/ \m/
I love melodic death, progressive, and thrash metal, as well as some sludge, doom, groove metal.
Opeth, Lamb of God, [old] In Flames, Nevermore, [old] Metallica, Slayer, Children of Bodom, The Sword, Iron Maiden, Arch Enemy, At the Gates, Dark Tranquillity, Black Sabbath, The Haunted, etc.

add me to the list of appovers (adding on Megadeth) i cant wait for
Gigantor

line up:
Megadeth :cool:
Children of Bodem :yikes:
In Flames
Job For A Cowboy :cool:
High on Fire :eek:

this and its the last show on the tour show and they should blow up the venue (with any luck)
but its an outdoor show in AZ in May the heat will be a killer :ahh:

Jeremiah Johnson 19-03-2008 00:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lions for First (Post 720734)
add me to the list of appovers (adding on Megadeth) i cant wait for
Gigantor

line up:
Megadeth :cool:
Children of Bodem :yikes:
In Flames
Job For A Cowboy :cool:
High on Fire :eek:

this and its the last show on the tour show and they should blow up the venue (with any luck)
but its an outdoor show in AZ in May the heat will be a killer :ahh:

I'm considering going to Gigantour in Chicago... but don't think I will because of money. And I'm not a giant fan of any of those bands...

CraigHickman 19-03-2008 00:27

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Lamb of God ftw. And Dimmu, all the way.

For a taste of something interesting, look up Skindred, it's a wonderful blend of metal and reggae... turns out quite good.

Lil' Lavery 19-03-2008 01:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lions for First (Post 720734)
add me to the list of appovers (adding on Megadeth) i cant wait for
Gigantor

line up:
Megadeth :cool:
Children of Bodem :yikes:
In Flames
Job For A Cowboy :cool:
High on Fire :eek:

this and its the last show on the tour show and they should blow up the venue (with any luck)
but its an outdoor show in AZ in May the heat will be a killer :ahh:

I'm trying to goto the Maryland show in April, but it's not looking promising at the moment (no real way to get there). I already have tickets for the In Flames, Children of Bodom, A Life Once Lost show two days earlier in Philly, so if I can't make it to Gigantour all is not lost.

*note, anyone capable of getting me from Philly to Maryland on Saturday April 26th, I'd love you*

MatthewMachart 19-03-2008 07:18

Re: Like Metal?
 
These are my bands on my Zune...

The Absence
All shall perish
amon amarth
arsis
as blood runs black
behemoth
belphegor
bleed the sky
blind stare
bloodbath
blood freak
caliban
callenish circle
cannibal corpse
children of bodom
chimaira
cradle of filth
daath
dark funeral
dark tranquillity
deathstars
dethklok
dimmu borgir
dissection
dragonforce
dying fetus
the faceless
finntroll
folkearth
from a second story window
god forbid
gorjira
Gwar
hypocrisy
immortal
in flames
job for a cowboy
kalmah
korpiklaani
lamb of god
legion of the damned
a life once lost
metallica
naglfar
necrophagist
necrophobic
nekrogoblikon
nightwish
norther
project hate MCMXCIX
rob zombie
satyricon
scar symmetry
six feet under
slayer
strapping young lad
suffokate
swallow the sun
system of a down
testament
throes of dawn
through the eyes of the dead
yyrkoon
zyklon

and others i dont have yet =]

Lil' Lavery 19-03-2008 13:25

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While I'm bored, my top 10 favorite metal albums:

10. Dreaming Neon Black - Nevermore
Nevermore's most complete album, this concept album offers an unique and powerful blend of progressive, acoustic, and thrash sounds. Warrel Dane's vocals are spectacular, and Loomis pumps out some amazing solos.
9. Skydancer - Dark Tranquillity
DT's first full album, and their only with Anders Friden still on vocals. This album was the heaviest of the Gothenburg bands, almost bordering on black metal in some aspects, but it's one of the key early Melodic Death metal albums. Amazing melodies drive the songs, and occasional female vocals provide contrast to the dark sounds.
8. Seasons in the Abyss - Slayer
Slayer's fifth album is my favorite. Their heavy riffing thrash sound is re-united with dark lyrics and songs that explore communism, war, and Ed Gein. Their haunting vocals provide an excellent layer over the crunchy guitar work from Hanneman and King.
7. Slaughter of the Soul - At the Gates
Along with the early work from In Flames and Dark Tranquillity, At the Gates established the Gothenburg melodeath scene. Slaughter was their signature album, and one of the genre's classics. They worked the boundary between melodic death and thrash metal, creating a unique and powerful sound.
6. Paranoid - Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath's second album, it is one of the iconic albums in not only metal, but all of rock. Sabbath's blend of blues and hard rock with distorted guitar work created the metal sound, and nothing epitomizes their sound better than this album. "War Pigs", "Iron Man", and "Paranoid" are all classics, and have been covered by just about everyone.
5. System of a Down - System of a Down
While I'm not a huge fan of Nü Metal, this is an exception. Where KoЯn's Follow the Leader was the first pinnacle album of the sub-genre, SOAD's self-titled debut is the best of Nü metal. Every song is spectacular, with System's unique sound reverberating through-out. This is, by far, their heaviest and darkest album.
4. Ashes of the Wake - Lamb of God
The breakthrough album for Lamb of God has proven to be their most durable to my listening habits. The crux of their development, it still carries themes from New American Gospel, but expands upon the direction suggested by As the Palaces Burn. The blending of the thrash, progressive, groove, and metalcore styles forms a sound that's never boring, with relentless riffs that keep you going from beginning to end.
3. Blackwater Park - Opeth
Opeth's magnum opus, this is the symbol of their signature sound. It expanded on their previous release, Still Life, incorporating the blend of light and dark sounds, alternating between death metal riffs and softer acoustic passages. This blending of opposites forms one of the greatest progressive albums of all time.
2. Master of Puppets - Metallica
The Cliff Burton years of Metallica peaked with this album, the legendary album that inspired generations of metal-heads to come. Battery opens strong, and the album doesn't relent afterwards, with brilliant riffs and solos in virtually every song. This is truly the finest of thrash.
1. Jester Race/Black Ash Inheritance - In Flames
This is as close to a perfect album as it gets. Jester Race flows perfectly, balancing layered guitar tracks to form something beyond extraordinary. The instrumental tracks and acoustic sections balance well the hard melodies and themes. The Black Ash Inheritance EP adds more length and some extraordinary songs to the collection, including a live performance of Behind Space. There is literally only one moment (a specific scream) I don't like on the entire album.

I'd suggest anyone to pick up any of these albums if you haven't already.

Derek Smith 19-03-2008 15:01

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This thread lacks Between the Buried and Me. And Protest the Hero.

If you want awesome, search 'Bloodmeat' without the quotes on YouTube. The original video is on there about 30 times. INCREDIBLE song off an incredible album, Fortress.

Danny McC 19-03-2008 15:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Smith (Post 721112)
This thread lacks Between the Buried and Me. And Protest the Hero.

If you want awesome, search 'Bloodmeat' without the quotes on YouTube. The original video is on there about 30 times. INCREDIBLE song off an incredible album, Fortress.

I must agree with you. And I am pretty glad the Protest is playing the Warped Tour this year.

Derek Smith 19-03-2008 16:43

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816 is staying in the Westin, right? We have to get together and rock out to some Protest.

Danny McC 19-03-2008 16:45

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Yeah man we will be there. Only two people on my team know about Protest though. But yeah I am always down for listenin to some good music in the hotel.

Derek Smith 19-03-2008 16:50

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I'm the only one on my team that listens to Protest, but they're so good. So, Fortess, the general consensus so far is that Bloodmeat is the best track. Thoughts?

Danny McC 19-03-2008 21:01

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I am sitting here listening to music and I realize something. I want to hear more metal at the competitions. I am cool with poppy music and the techno music. But nothing would get me pumped up more than hearing some metal in the elims.

Lil' Lavery 19-03-2008 21:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny McC (Post 721327)
I am sitting here listening to music and I realize something. I want to hear more metal at the competitions. I am cool with poppy music and the techno music. But nothing would get me pumped up more than hearing some metal in the elims.

They played "Demanufacture" by Fear Factory in NJ (followed by Rage Against the Machine, who is almost metal).

Danny McC 19-03-2008 21:13

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Really? I didn't hear them. Hopefully there will be some in Philly. A lot easier to hear from those pits than it is in New Jersey.

MatthewMachart 20-03-2008 07:32

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They played One by Metallica at St. Louis, that was also pretty cool

Danny McC 20-03-2008 10:34

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I remember watching SVR and seriously hearing like 50 Metallica songs over the weekend.

Danny McC 20-03-2008 10:50

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Now does anyone know any good Japanese Metal bands? I love Japanese music for some reason so any good bands?

jacob07 20-03-2008 11:36

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I live in Flint MI and we have this nice "little" venue called the Machine Shop and it always hosts some sweet metal bands...

My fav's are:
Mushroomhead- they have one of the best live shows I have ever seen. They packed 3000= people in a building that is 75' x 150, totally insane

Dope- Another great band to see live, not that much of a metal influence, but impressive non the less

Devildriver- Are coming in April, i can't wait, already have my ticket, saw them last year at Ozzfest, one of the biggest pits i have ever seen, 100ft+ circle pit, totally nuts

Ozzy- Who cares if he gets up there and forgets half the words to "Mama I'm Coming Home" still and amazing artist, the god father of metal \m/

As Blood Runs Black- Just started listening to them last year, have to say, amazing breakdowns and the drums leave you filling full-filled

I Decay- Not many people know of them, they are an AMAZING band that is starting to hit it big, toured with Mushroomhead last year and have defiently left an impression on the metal scene here in MI

Cacophonus Incantation- Another Metal that is rising its up the metal scene here in MI. Crazy insane guitars and AMAZING vocals from a kid that looks as though he got beat up everyday in Highschool. Going to be big soon, wait and see

jacob07 20-03-2008 11:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny McC (Post 721565)
Now does anyone know any good Japanese Metal bands? I love Japanese music for some reason so any good bands?

they are sorta japanese, they are from Taiwan: Chthonic,

they played at Ozzfest last year and were really good, got the pits going long and hard

Danny McC 20-03-2008 11:51

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Good call on As Blood Runs Black btw

MatthewMachart 20-03-2008 11:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jacob07 (Post 721584)
they are sorta japanese, they are from Taiwan: Chthonic,

they played at Ozzfest last year and were really good, got the pits going long and hard

Well I know of one called Serpent. go look for them on myspace. and then theres another from taiwan called anthelion who sounds like cradle of filth

kemata 20-03-2008 11:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremiah Johnson (Post 720689)
The lineup:
Avenged Sevenfold
Atreyu
blessthefall
Bullet for My Valentine
Mucc
IdiotPilot
The Underneath
D'espairsRay


D'espairsRay was my favorite, though.

I like all those bands, but I love both MUCC and +DéspairsRay+ especially. (Did they change the way their band name is written again? I give up on keeping up.) I had no idea they were playing in Chicago, otherwise I would have stayed up there when my team went to Midwest or something. =P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny McC
Now does anyone know any good Japanese Metal bands? I love Japanese music for some reason so any good bands?

It's been a while since I've listened to Japanese Metal, but a few I can think of off the top of my head are:

- Dir en grey (They have two albums in the US, conveniently enough.)
- MUCC
- +DéspairsRay+ (written also as D'espairsRay)
- X-JAPAN (If you want 80's-early 90's metal... sorta-ish.)
- Sex Machineguns
- Onmyouza (written also as Onmyo-za and Onmyoza)
- Head Phones President

Danny McC 20-03-2008 12:06

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Dir En Grey=Amazing band. All of my music got wiped off my computer and I forgot about them thanks for reminding me.

jacob07 20-03-2008 12:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny McC (Post 721612)
Dir En Grey=Amazing band. All of my music got wiped off my computer and I forgot about them thanks for reminding me.

never heard of them, will have to go check them out

Danny McC 20-03-2008 12:19

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They are only good if you like Japanese music. I know people who love metal and dont like Japanese music and they say Dir En Grey sucks. Also not all of their songs are Metal.

MatthewMachart 20-03-2008 16:13

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How many of you are going to Atlanta?

Danny McC 20-03-2008 16:15

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I will be there and I know Derek will be there. Why whats up? Forgot that the first time.

MatthewMachart 20-03-2008 20:37

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We should meet up at the event, or even more so if we're in the same hotel.

Danny McC 20-03-2008 20:50

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Well what hotel will you be at buddy?

i_am_samus 21-03-2008 12:25

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Kemata, amazing music list. I never really looked into Japanese metal, and they are all great bands! Too bad my HDD is almost full, only 2 GB left >_>

vivek16 21-03-2008 15:44

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Aww... You got me all excited and then I realized you were talking about music.

**sigh**

-Vivek

MatthewMachart 21-03-2008 16:21

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^ ^ ^ LOL

Well My team is staying in the Holiday Inn In Downtown Atlanta. So let me know if anyone else will be there.

Jeremiah Johnson 22-03-2008 00:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny McC (Post 721612)
Dir En Grey=Amazing band. All of my music got wiped off my computer and I forgot about them thanks for reminding me.

D'espairsRay is 110X better, IMHO. But they're both good.

DarkShinigami 14-04-2008 18:10

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check out the Summer Slaughter tour this summer. awsome band line-up.

http://sumerianrecords.com/summerslaughter/

Danny McC 14-04-2008 18:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkShinigami (Post 736854)
check out the Summer Slaughter tour this summer. awsome band line-up.

http://sumerianrecords.com/summerslaughter/

W00t. They are coming to the Troc. I am there.

Lil' Lavery 15-04-2008 00:31

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Anyone lucky enough to land tickets to the At The Gates reunion tour this summer? I'm ticked the nearest show was NYC and that it sold out.

The Farmer 23-04-2008 19:12

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Man...I can't wait until I'm actually able to go to concerts...Oh well, I'll have to settle for YouTube instead for now...

Anyway, I'm not into the real heavy stuff yet, but I have a couple of bands I have interest in:

Disturbed (I'm looking forward to their newest album, due in early June. It's supposed to be their heaviest album to date...look for the single Inside the Fire for a little taste of the album)

Iron Maiden

Metallica (Fade To Black was what got me into liking music at all, but I like all of their classics at this point, and even some the stuff from when they worked with the SF orchestra)

SOAD

Trivium (not all songs, but some like the MOP cover, and Anthem...)

Shadows Fall

And, my one of my latest favorites, Five Finger Death Punch (listen to White Knuckles, possibly one of the best songs they have)

luciaes 25-04-2008 17:25

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i love metal, my favorite bands are arch enemy, blind guardian, mushroomhead, hammerfall, and naglfar

Herodotus 25-04-2008 22:19

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I like pretty much all forms of music, metal included. My listo fmetal bands include:

Dream Theater(my favorite of the bunch)
Dragonforce
Metallica
Iron Maiden

Carlee10 28-04-2008 17:23

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My list:
Metallica
Dragonforce
Disturbed
Rise Against
Evanesance
Nickelback
Ozzy Osbourne
Those are just a few. I like a lot more rock, though.

Lil' Lavery 28-04-2008 17:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Water Bandit23 (Post 743717)
My list:
Metallica
Dragonforce
Disturbed
Rise Against
Evanesance
Nickelback
Ozzy Osbourne
Those are just a few. I like a lot more rock, though.

There are a number of bands I don't care if people call metal even though they aren't. Nickelback, however, in no way, shape, or form should ever be called anything remotely close to metal. Nickelback is not metal. Rise Against and Evanesence aren't really metal either, being Hardcore and Alternative Rock respectively, but they are closer than Nickelback.
http://www.last.fm/music/Nickelback
http://www.last.fm/music/Rise+Against
http://www.last.fm/music/Evanescence

wilsonmw04 28-04-2008 18:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 743727)
There are a number of bands I don't care if people call metal even though they aren't. Nickelback, however, in no way, shape, or form should ever be called anything remotely close to metal. Nickelback is not metal. Rise Against and Evanesence aren't really metal either, being Hardcore and Alternative Rock respectively, but they are closer than Nickelback.
http://www.last.fm/music/Nickelback
http://www.last.fm/music/Rise+Against
http://www.last.fm/music/Evanescence


Music is a VERY amorphous thing. What you may think is "metal" I may not and visa versa. Careful what labels you put on stuff, because i've heard that robotics is "nerdy", "geeky" and "uncool," but i know they don't know what they are talking about. Not going to argue about it. I'm just going to prove them wrong ;-)

Lil' Lavery 28-04-2008 19:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 743747)
Music is a VERY amorphous thing. What you may think is "metal" I may not and visa versa. Careful what labels you put on stuff, because i've heard that robotics is "nerdy", "geeky" and "uncool," but i know they don't know what they are talking about. Not going to argue about it. I'm just going to prove them wrong ;-)

I know, thus why I had been pretty chill about what was labeled as metal or not for most of the thread. But Nickelback just seemed far enough out that, well, argh! I've had pretty extensive debates regarding whether or not Evanesence is metal (as well as several of the other bands in this thread), and I would have let it hang, but the Nickelback just shocked me... :rolleyes:

Carlee10 28-04-2008 21:12

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This is what my Itunes said, not my opinion. It could be wrong. I agree with wilsonmw04, though its all kinda up to interpertation, though. I really like Evanaesance, especiallly the lead singer's voice. I was raised on rock and roll, a lot of classic stuff, and 80's rock, so it all kind of blends to me. I like rock, metal, punk, alternaive, death metal. That's why i listed those in particular.

Protronie 28-04-2008 21:41

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Metal rulz! Just when they think its dead it comes back stronger...

I used to watch the Headbangers Ball ever week back when MTV was good.
I'm more oldschool... Metallica, Sabbath, Rob Zombie, and yes even Mega Death.
Of course I was in the KISS army back in the day :p

I like my metal heavier, darker, but can listen to the thrash,speed,and jap stuff too.

I actually like many different music genes except... disco and that rap crap.
Nice to see not all of FIRST a bunch of YMCA'ers :D

-p :cool:

Derek Smith 29-04-2008 00:07

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Hey Sean, what are your thoughts on mathcore (I loathe to use this term, but it's simple)? I.E. Between the Buried and Me, Protest the Hero, The Dillinger Escape Plan, etc.

Lil' Lavery 29-04-2008 00:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Smith (Post 743855)
Hey Sean, what are your thoughts on mathcore (I loathe to use this term, but it's simple)? I.E. Between the Buried and Me, Protest the Hero, The Dillinger Escape Plan, etc.

I typically just refer to most of those bands as hardcore, but I'm not really into hardcore that much, so I don't really know the sub-genres that well. I pretty much just differentiate hardcore into hardcore, post-hardcore, and metalcore, but other subgenres most likely exist for those more familiar with the genre.
Based on the name of the genre, it's most likely a hardcore version of "math rock", which is basically post-rock with more complicated time signatures and rhythms (often much more technical too). This makes sense, given that all the bands you listed I've also heard described as post-hardcore.

Phyrxes 29-04-2008 08:22

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Not to mention that CDDB or Itunes often places an artist in different genres for different albums. Most of the current "European Metal" bands are categorized under: goth metal, black metal, symphonic metal, folk metal, dark metal, etc.

Derek Smith 29-04-2008 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 743864)
I typically just refer to most of those bands as hardcore, but I'm not really into hardcore that much, so I don't really know the sub-genres that well. I pretty much just differentiate hardcore into hardcore, post-hardcore, and metalcore, but other subgenres most likely exist for those more familiar with the genre.
Based on the name of the genre, it's most likely a hardcore version of "math rock", which is basically post-rock with more complicated time signatures and rhythms (often much more technical too). This makes sense, given that all the bands you listed I've also heard described as post-hardcore.

The thing about it is, hardcore and post hardcore are such blanket terms. If someone has a preconceived notion about a genre such as hardcore, and they're recommended a band that's technically hardcore, but barely fits within the genre, that could lead to bias before that person has even given the band a chance.

On a somewhat similar note, I fail to see why people even use the term 'post-hardcore'. The definition for the genre is incredibly vague and almost all encompassing for certain musical styles.

On another somewhat related note, you've seriously heard those bands referred to as post-hardcore? Wow, that's terrible. The only one that, I'm pretty sure at least, even comes close to fitting that classification is Protest the Hero.

But yes, links for those of you that don't know.

Protest the Hero - Wretch
The Dillinger Escape Plan's PureVolume page.
Between the Buried and Me - Selkies: The Endless Obsession

EDIT: I also must thank you, Sean. You've given me inspiration for the AP Comp paper I have to write.

Danny McC 29-04-2008 16:02

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Anyone gonna to Mayhem Fest the lineup looks pretty sick.

Lil' Lavery 29-04-2008 16:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Smith (Post 744038)
The thing about it is, hardcore and post hardcore are such blanket terms. If someone has a preconceived notion about a genre such as hardcore, and they're recommended a band that's technically hardcore, but barely fits within the genre, that could lead to bias before that person has even given the band a chance.

On a somewhat similar note, I fail to see why people even use the term 'post-hardcore'. The definition for the genre is incredibly vague and almost all encompassing for certain musical styles.

On another somewhat related note, you've seriously heard those bands referred to as post-hardcore? Wow, that's terrible. The only one that, I'm pretty sure at least, even comes close to fitting that classification is Protest the Hero.

But yes, links for those of you that don't know.

Protest the Hero - Wretch
The Dillinger Escape Plan's PureVolume page.
Between the Buried and Me - Selkies: The Endless Obsession

EDIT: I also must thank you, Sean. You've given me inspiration for the AP Comp paper I have to write.


Hardcore (as well as post-hardcore and metalcore) are generic blanket terms, but I'm not really a huge fan of the genre. As a result I'm rather uneducated on the sub-genres and what differentiates them from one another. I wouldn't expect a metal outsider to be able to identify the differences between Doom and Sludge Metal, or tell me if a band is Melodic Death, Black, or Death Metal.

As for post-hardcore, at least from an outsiders view, it seem an appropriate tag. While a little bit broad, especially when you count the off-shoot genres of emo/screamo, it has some merit. It describes hardcore bands which stray from the typically hardcore "rules". Break-strains aren't essential, much more experimentation exists, and there's very heavy use of dissonance (which is my biggest turn-off from the genre, I hate over-used dissonance). Most of these bands lack attributes to be really described as "progressive" (nor does the progressive tag frequently mix with the hardcore). Aspects of hardcore and punk still exist (namely in terms of the speed and vocal styles), but they are no longer binding rules that hold the genre together.
If you want more insight I might have to talk to my roommate, he's a pretty big post-hardcore/emo/screamo fan.

Derek Smith 29-04-2008 16:41

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I agree with you, for the most part. You've really gotta know the intricacies of a genre to correctly classify something into the incredibly obscure subgenres.

Just a thought, though. Be careful about the use of emo/screamo. They've become incredibly generic terms due to the third wave of emo that started in the early-mid 90's. They've become quite encompassing, so the genre really doesn't have a specific sound or defining quality anymore. A lot of music elitists are almost offended at the usage of the term as a genre.

To make this an analogy: post-hardcore is like that butcher down the street that specializes in certain meats, whereas emo/screamo is Wal-Mart.

Protronie 29-04-2008 17:57

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Whats in My Music at this moment... may change often without notice.
Drive By Truckers
Johnny Cash
Live Action Initial D Soundtrack
Wangan Midnight Express Soundtrack #1
Crosby, Nash, Stills & Young
Phillips, Craig, & Dean
Kid Rock
Rob Zombie

On my bookcase, CD's, cassettes, & LP's...
would take hours to list my 30+ years of collecting music I like at one time or another.

Cooley744 29-04-2008 18:37

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I wouldn't say metal is my favorite type of music, but I do like Underoath a lot and metal concerts are extremely fun to chill/mosh at.

The Farmer 29-04-2008 19:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny McC (Post 744056)
Anyone gonna to Mayhem Fest the lineup looks pretty sick.

I want to, Slipknot and Disturbed as headliners? I would be there in an instant...but the closest venue to me is in Buffalo, and that is WAY too far for my parents to drive me...

Anyway, I would like to take this thread into a bit of a different direction; i.e., what made you get into metal? For me, I would have to say it was because of the mainstream music. I didn't have any like in music until middle school, and up until that point I had the mainstream music (rap, r&b, soft rock, alt, etc) shoved down my throat, so I found something different, which was metal...and I've liked it since.

So, what made YOU like metal?

qwertyuiop[]\ 01-05-2008 18:11

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I seriously thought that this was a thread about your favorite alloy of metal. But anyways I personally Titanium with aluminum in a close second.

Jeremiah Johnson 02-05-2008 14:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Farmer (Post 744147)
I want to, Slipknot and Disturbed as headliners? I would be there in an instant...but the closest venue to me is in Buffalo, and that is WAY too far for my parents to drive me...

Anyway, I would like to take this thread into a bit of a different direction; i.e., what made you get into metal? For me, I would have to say it was because of the mainstream music. I didn't have any like in music until middle school, and up until that point I had the mainstream music (rap, r&b, soft rock, alt, etc) shoved down my throat, so I found something different, which was metal...and I've liked it since.

So, what made YOU like metal?


My friend Adam dropped all of his music from his iPod onto my computer, and I started listening to it. That got me into metal. Most of it was Metallica and System of a Down. I now enjoy all kinds of metal.

IKE 28-06-2012 08:35

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Ok Metal Heads, I need some help. I was inspired by this thread to do some google searching. Apparently frequent searches for 12V motors and a few select key words made google think these guys were the best fit. So what does the Metal community think of 16Volt? Good Metal, or just some guys playing loud and screaming... even if it isn't good metal, it does have a catchy hook to it (first starts 1:24 into video).
Warning, they do one of those anouncers preaching for the first 40 seconds before they kick it into gear.


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