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Ball Bouncing Out of Bounds?
So during an early match at Lone Star we managed to bounce the ball over the opposite alliance station a couple times. Afterwards we were warned we would receive a penalty and an eventual a yellow flag if we continued to do this.
Afterwards we toned down the launcher and tried to be careful where we launched from to prevent the bounce. We however got a "lucky" bounce on a Saturday match and received a 10pt penalty. I'm not saying that this might not have been legit, I suppose the refs to have authority to deem something unsafe and penalize it, but I am curious if any other regionals saw this penalty. It was a bit frustrating worrying about an unintentional side effect of wanting to be able to shoot from distance on the field that didn’t seem to be outlined in the rules. Regardless, I suppose next weekend we’ll dial launcher power down from an eleven to about a ten. ;) |
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What rule did the referees cite when giving the penalty?
When the ball goes out of bounds, it is retrieved and put back on the field asap, when safe. If "asap" means you lose the opportunity to use the ball for 20, 30, 40 seconds, isn't that enough of a penalty to discourage booting the ball out? |
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Prior to week one events the FTAs (and I believe the Head Refs) were warned to watch out for balls being launched or bounced off-field. Teams were to be given a warning and if they didn't correct it would be cited for violation of <S01>. The concern is that a bystander might get hurt by the ball (bystander bowling is a no-no), or that off-field equipment might get damaged (scoring, sound, etc.). I believe that one team got the warning at Detroit, though I don't think they got a penalty.
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I was fairly certain that S01 didn't have any provisions for giving penalties in it.
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1114 Launched the ball directly AT the judges area at Waterloo this weekend, and didn't get any penalties.
Also, the way that <S01> is worded they should have disabled you. Did they? |
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As a scorekeeper at Seattle (where the table was maybe three feet from the edge of the arena) and trainee scorekeeper at Portland, I am EXTREMELY grateful for the teams and referees that think my safety is important. While I appreciate that your intent was to modify your robot to become safer, while it was still throwing balls out of the arena the referees should have penalized and/or disabled your robot. Good intentions are necessary but not sufficient for safety. |
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I also think were going to see more of these if teams are going to keep on trying the RUSHshot. (thats my name for the last second hurdle by team 27 at detroit...) i also saw one of the shooters in one of the webcasts launch the ball almost over the drivers station for the oposing alliance, one of the people behind the lexan knocked back onto the field. |
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As a volunteer I appreciate referees' erring on the side of caution, by taking steps to discourage gameplay that might result in someone (or some critical equipment) being hit by a flying trackball. I do agree those steps should be the same at all events.
As a mentor whose team built a catapult robot this year, I appreciated referees at both of our events who clarified the way they would be calling this during Thursday practice rounds. We were warned about potential <S1> penalties the first time that our poor aim sent a trackball over the side in St. Louis. Two weeks later during Thursday practice at Boilermaker, we were advised that a trackball clearing the overpass between the uprights, but landing out of bounds, would not be scored as a hurdle. This advice was confirmed by an official Q&A response a few days later, but the timely warning we got kept us from repeating the mistake on Friday or Saturday. Looking at it from either perspective, the referees I've seen have made the right call when balls left the track. |
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LoL while announcing on Friday at Florida Team 103 launched a ball out of bounds and hit me in the head then almost knocked over a few thousand dollars worth of production equipment. No penalty was given it was completely accidental and really kind of an awkward bounce. Its really the only time I can remember it FLYING out of bounds, One almost did hit some drivers but it stayed in.
Let the boys play is my motto, no blood no foul, they had to assume balls would be ejected from the field, otherwise they wouldn't have put in the ball replacement rules. If a team does it consistently sure, warning/penalty based on S01 ( Tho I'm not sure how its supposed to be a 10 pt penalty, I thought it was just a yellow card ) but 1 or 2 times.. ehh give me a break lol. |
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Repeated violations of sending the ball out of bounds is a no no...
But lets face the facts, the ball is going to end up out of the playing field at some point in time. If your around the field area just keep an eye on whats going on and if a ball comes sailing your way (or towards another person for that matter) get out of the way or let the person know the are about to be stuck with a 10 pound projectile. Balls launched from our catapult go quite high into the air : http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hlight=mad+ups However we were still able to keep the ball in bounds on every shot. While I dont konw if a 10 point penalty is per the rule book, it seems they gave you a fair shot to dial it down. |
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Moral of the story? Refs don't make good walls. :o If anyone wants to find it, it was at a match at BMR, although I have no idea which match it was. I feel that there shouldn't be any penalty for stuff like this since if FIRST was really concerned about extra-field-ular interactions they would have put solid lexan clad high walls all the way down the field, or put tape lines around the field over which no one can cross when a match is in play. -q |
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