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Guy Davidson 08-04-2008 02:23
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Glenn, I agree, with the exception of ball placing. I really don't think placing is that important at the end of the game. I'd much rather have my drivers focusing on smart driving, playing D, and knocking balls.

jayjaywalker3 08-04-2008 02:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 732600)
I expect to see alliances to be able to ALL do 3 lines or more AND knock at least 1 ball down, depending on what the opposing alliance does (blocking) during the auto mode.
I thought this was illegal.

waialua359 08-04-2008 02:47
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I'm glad you brought it up!
Blocking "may" not be illegal. I for one thought it was, even after the heated CD discussions and updates.
However, during week 3 regionals, especially the one we attended, blocking was done and WE were called for 30 points in penalties for hitting the blocking robot, during hybrid mode.
Prior to the Hawaii regional matches, I made it a point to ask the head ref on how he would call it on a situation where the opposing team blocks. He said he wouldn't call a penalty on either side.
It really was fine with us as we knew prior to the matches and as long as it was consistent throughout the weekend.
Not sure what the GDC would say, however, I would definitely ask the head ref on Thursday at CMP. It may differ from division to division.

waialua359 08-04-2008 02:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 732602)
Glenn, I agree, with the except on of ball placing. I really don't think placing is that important at the end of the game. I'd much rather have my drivers focusing on smart driving, playing D, and knocking balls.
I think its definitely debate-able. We definitely needed to place both balls all weekend in order to win our seeding matches and get through eliminations to the finals. Placing both balls were the key in winning our last pivotal match during seeding rounds which both 2024 and us needed against the 846 and 1572 teams where all of us were in the top 8 prior to playing our last match. 2024 and us placed both balls in the last 5 seconds to win that match.
In addition, during the elimination matches, we and 368 went up against the powerhouse 25 and 968 team. We won ultimately because we placed the balls up at the end of the matches. There alliance never placed balls. With a point differential of 24 points, you will see that we won by a score much less than that, thus its importance.

Guy Davidson 08-04-2008 03:04
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 732607)
I think its definitely debate-able. We definitely needed to place both balls all weekend in order to win our seeding matches and get through eliminations to the finals. Placing both balls were the key in winning our last pivotal match during seeding rounds which both 2024 and us needed against the 846 and 1572 teams where all of us were in the top 8 prior to playing our last match. 2024 and us placed both balls in the last 5 seconds to win that match.
In addition, during the elimination matches, we and 368 went up against the powerhouse 25 and 968 team. We won ultimately because we placed the balls up at the end of the matches. There alliance never placed balls. With a point differential of 24 points, you will see that we won by a score much less than that, thus its importance.
I see your point. However, from the point of view of simplicity and being able to focus on task, I'd rather have my drivers focus on one thing or another. In the eliminations, I believe most alliances will be structured with two ball handlers, aka hurdlers, and a third defensive and ball-knocking bot. I think that with the hecticness at the end of most matches, I'd rather my defensive bot focuses on preventing the other alliance from placing, or knocking over a placed ball (both of which, if done right, as just as good as a place for the same alliance) while the two ball handlers try to place the ball, if they can, or make a last-second hurdle.

In both cases you presented, your ball handlers made the last-second place. I bet it would have been much harder to pull off a double-place in the last five seconds (as I've also seen 2024 and 192 pull of during the SVR eliminations) of one of the placers was not one of the default ball handlers, and you would have needed to coordinate transferring / changing ball handling.

Perhaps a friendly wager of some sorts? If we agree that most eliminations alliances will have two major ball handlers, then I believe that very few elimination matches will be decided by a ball placed by the third (non-handling) alliance members. What say you?

dtengineering 08-04-2008 03:09
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjaywalker3 (Post 732571)
What does this mean?
Atlanta is not just one big regional, but rather four seperate fields that each act as an individual regional. At the end of the tournament the champions from each field compete for the overall championship. If you are assigned a field different from another team, it is impossible for you to ally with them.


Quote:
What is OPR?
Offensive Power Ranking a statistical way to indicate how many points, on average, teams contribute to an alliance. Like many statistics it is not perfect, but it is probably the best single indicator of how a team contributes to the score.


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What is a good score?
I believe that in Toronto 1114 was not in a single match where their alliance scored less than 98 points. At many regionals a good score would be over 70. In Atlanta I expect the bar would be raised so that a "good score" would be over 100. Technically, of course, a "good enough" score is one more point than your opponents.

Now... my personal opinion... in a much, much earlier pre-season thread discussing the game I suggested that the nature of the game would be such that it would be very difficult for a team to design a robot that would completely dominate the competition and that an alliance of mid-strength robots could take down any alliance with just one strong robot.

My apologies to the teams whom I so greatly underestimated. There are several teams with robots that completely dominate. I look forward to seeing many of them in action on Einstein.

But there is one robot that seems to stand out in sheer, absolute, utter dominance... and that is 1114. Being the top robot doesn't guarantee a championship, and there are many teams that can give them a run for their money... and depending on how the alliances form may ultimately prove my pre-season predictions correct... but if I had to pick one robot and one team that I think will win... Simbotics is it.

I have to admit some personal bias in this choice, because we've played against them a few times now (not this year, thankfully!) and know them to be a top notch team of really good people... in fact I wouldn't be suprised to find them in the running for Championship Chairman's as well as the competition banner. Not to say the other top notch teams and robots aren't deserving, but I think 1114 has been waiting a year or two too long for a championship... this will be their year!

I hope.

Jason

waialua359 08-04-2008 03:17
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
**response to Guy**
I actually like your reasoning better!:D
I will throw something else in the mix. Team 25 and 968 knew that was our strategy as we knew both of them dont place balls, unless by chance. When you get a chance to see the vids later, you will see them also try and knock our balls down once placed. Well,....... they were unsuccessful as we parked our bots right in front of it, pushing backwards at times. Had they had us as a third teammate, we would have placed the ball....hehe...:D (nah, highly unlikely)
I think the challenge will be for the 3rd bot in being able to knock balls down, as opposing teams will be doing a lot of "parking" as a strategy in the heated last seconds of a close match.
I think we both agree that the 3rd bot is more important than what has been said here. AND that's why your bot should easily make the elimination matches at CMP. Depending on how refs let matches play out, I'd hate to go up against 2024 also.

waialua359 08-04-2008 03:23
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 732612)
Atlanta is not just one big regional, but rather four seperate fields that each act as an individual regional. At the end of the tournament the champions from each field compete for the overall championship. If you are assigned a field different from another team, it is impossible for you to ally with them.




Offensive Power Ranking a statistical way to indicate how many points, on average, teams contribute to an alliance. Like many statistics it is not perfect, but it is probably the best single indicator of how a team contributes to the score.




I believe that in Toronto 1114 was not in a single match where their alliance scored less than 98 points. At many regionals a good score would be over 70. In Atlanta I expect the bar would be raised so that a "good score" would be over 100. Technically, of course, a "good enough" score is one more point than your opponents.

Now... my personal opinion... in a much, much earlier pre-season thread discussing the game I suggested that the nature of the game would be such that it would be very difficult for a team to design a robot that would completely dominate the competition and that an alliance of mid-strength robots could take down any alliance with just one strong robot.

My apologies to the teams whom I so greatly underestimated. There are several teams with robots that completely dominate. I look forward to seeing many of them in action on Einstein.

But there is one robot that seems to stand out in sheer, absolute, utter dominance... and that is 1114. Being the top robot doesn't guarantee a championship, and there are many teams that can give them a run for their money... and depending on how the alliances form may ultimately prove my pre-season predictions correct... but if I had to pick one robot and one team that I think will win... Simbotics is it.

I have to admit some personal bias in this choice, because we've played against them a few times now (not this year, thankfully!) and know them to be a top notch team of really good people... in fact I wouldn't be suprised to find them in the running for Championship Chairman's as well as the competition banner. Not to say the other top notch teams and robots aren't deserving, but I think 1114 has been waiting a year or two too long for a championship... this will be their year!

I hope.

Jason
I think its an understatement to say that the Cheesy Poofs have been long due since their inception year, 1999! :p
By the way, congrats on the WFA.

jayjaywalker3 08-04-2008 07:01
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 732612)
Atlanta is not just one big regional, but rather four seperate fields that each act as an individual regional. At the end of the tournament the champions from each field compete for the overall championship. If you are assigned a field different from another team, it is impossible for you to ally with them.


I believe that in Toronto 1114 was not in a single match where their alliance scored less than 98 points. At many regionals a good score would be over 70. In Atlanta I expect the bar would be raised so that a "good score" would be over 100. Technically, of course, a "good enough" score is one more point than your opponents.
Thank you for answering my questions. For my first question i meant what is the difference between "Serpentine" and normal division setup.

My third question was supposed to be when do division assignments come out and I don't know how it came out so wrong.

GaryVoshol 08-04-2008 07:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by T3_1565 (Post 732475)
really So I guess what I'm saying is 1114, 121, 16 FOR THE WIN
Wow, that's a really deep division if one of those 3 are around for a last pick.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjaywalker3 (Post 732629)
Thank you for answering my questions. For my first question i meant what is the difference between "Serpentine" and normal division setup.

My third question was supposed to be when do division assignments come out and I don't know how it came out so wrong.
Normal and Serpentine are two ways FIRST has used in the past to divvy the teams up into the divisions. The teams are listed numerically, and then assigned to the divisions. Normal goes ABCD, ABCD, ABCD ... Serpentine is ABCD, DCBA, ABCD, DCBA, etc. Serpentine was set up when it was pointed out that two teams with consecutive numbers, for example 66 and 67, would never be able to be assigned to the same division with a normal ABCD ABCD scheme.

As for when the divisions are announced, based on last year it would likely be Wednesday (tomorrow).

Travis Hoffman 08-04-2008 08:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 732605)
However, I would definitely ask the head ref on Thursday at CMP. It may differ from division to division.
I would seriously, SERIOUSLY hope not. Oy.

ttldomination 08-04-2008 09:13
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I think that 1114 will dominate, but they may not. Teams have played the keeping the ball away from other teams trick. If your alliance has one lapping robot, dedicated to keep the ball away from 1114, then that may stop them. After they realized that they can't pick up the ball, they'll either move on to another ball or try and do a lap and hope to pick it up the next time.

But it's mainly 1114's hybrid which dominates. It would take an alliance with another strong autonomous to beat them.

After i look at the blue alliance's possible divisions, it looks like it'll either be the Curie Division or the Galileo Division which will take it. 217 is really strong and if they are in the same division as 1114...it's over.

Bongle 08-04-2008 09:21
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I think the problem with predicting is that there are so many teams with decent chances of winning. If you could somehow query out the probabilities of victory from the universe, it might look like:

1114: 15%
217: 8%
16: 6%
... bunch more well-known teams ...
... 300 teams with < 1%

So even the team with the highest probability of winning it has a 85% chance of NOT winning it, which is why they are the best choice, but still probably won't.

T3_1565 08-04-2008 09:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 732634)
Wow, that's a really deep division if one of those 3 are around for a last pick.
True it would be, but I seem to be the only who mentioned 121, and only the second one mentioning 16 :cool:

That, and it's only who I would like to win, not nessacarily the ones who will win! (but I hope they do, or if they are in seperate divisions, I hope they win there divisions and play eachother, 16 vs 1114 again, would be reeally sweet to see, 16 was very close to matching 1114's hurdles in the MidWest)

Racer26 08-04-2008 10:17
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My prediction states that if 1114 and (2056 or 217) end up on the same division, its more or less game over for everyone else. the 1114/2056/x combination at Waterloo/GTR has proved unstoppable for 2 years running.

EDIT: Also, I think 2056 is the only team in history to go 4 for 4 at regionals. (As in winning the first 4 regionals they ever competed in)

Joe Ross 08-04-2008 10:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 732698)
My prediction states that if 1114 and (2056 or 217) end up on the same division, its more or less game over for everyone else. the 1114/2056/x combination at Waterloo/GTR has proved unstoppable for 2 years running.

EDIT: Also, I think 2056 is the only team in history to go 4 for 4 at regionals. (As in winning the first 4 regionals they ever competed in)
254 went 5 for their first 5, winning 1 in 1999, 2 in 2000, and 2 in 2001, before losing at the buckeye regional in 2002. They also won the Silicon Valley Regional 8 years in a row (1999-2006).

Racer26 08-04-2008 10:34
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I stand corrected then. Though I won't be surprised if 2056 surpasses 254's impressive record. Winning 5 out of their first 6 events (only event they've competed in that they didnt win was 2007 Championship) is VERY impressive. Though its probably been somewhat aided by the fact that every single time, they've been paired with 1114.

(The events i'm referring to are 2007 Waterloo, 2007 GTR, 2007 IRI, 2007 CMP, 2008 Waterloo, 2008 GTR.)

Elgin Clock 08-04-2008 10:37
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116 posts before the divisions are even posted.

You people just like taking chances on bets you can't win don't you? :rolleyes:

I'm going to wait till the divisions are announced to even make a guess.. (If at all, since it's a waste of time to guess who will do good in Atlanta since all the best of the best are there, and luck has a lot to do with this more than any other event throughout the year).

T3_1565 08-04-2008 11:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 732716)
116 posts before the divisions are even posted.

You people just like taking chances on bets you can't win don't you? :rolleyes:

I'm going to wait till the divisions are announced to even make a guess.. (If at all, since it's a waste of time to guess who will do good in Atlanta since all the best of the best are there, and luck has a lot to do with this more than any other event throughout the year).
speaking of which.... when do they get annouced??

Rick TYler 08-04-2008 11:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 732526)
Come on, Cory, no love for your old team? If you have to mention the cream puffs of the west coast, how can you forget about 100? 192 is pretty good too. I'd also throw in our Hawaiian friends from 368 and 359, as they're practically west coast.
Don't forget those pathetic slackers, 1983 and 2046. What miserable, ineffective, robots they are.

Elgin Clock 08-04-2008 11:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by T3_1565 (Post 732750)
speaking of which.... when do they get annouced??
Sometime before next Thursday I would hope. ;)

Joe Ross 08-04-2008 11:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by T3_1565 (Post 732750)
speaking of which.... when do they get annouced??
In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).

In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2007, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals).

ttldomination 08-04-2008 12:08
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i think we can expect sometime late this week...

Cory 08-04-2008 13:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 732698)
My prediction states that if 1114 and (2056 or 217) end up on the same division, its more or less game over for everyone else. the 1114/2056/x combination at Waterloo/GTR has proved unstoppable for 2 years running.

EDIT: Also, I think 2056 is the only team in history to go 4 for 4 at regionals. (As in winning the first 4 regionals they ever competed in)
Kinda like how 1114 and 330 ended up in the same division last year, and everyone thought it was over?

It's never over till it's over. Who thought anyone besides 330 and company had a snowball's chance in hell of taking down Pink and Beatty last year?

James Mullenax 08-04-2008 13:30
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haha I was just looking through some of our videos... check this out...

http://www.team1629.com/team/node/59

If we only could do this consistantly it would be great lol

just thought id share with all...

waialua359 08-04-2008 15:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 732713)
I stand corrected then. Though I won't be surprised if 2056 surpasses 254's impressive record. Winning 5 out of their first 6 events (only event they've competed in that they didnt win was 2007 Championship) is VERY impressive. Though its probably been somewhat aided by the fact that every single time, they've been paired with 1114.

(The events i'm referring to are 2007 Waterloo, 2007 GTR, 2007 IRI, 2007 CMP, 2008 Waterloo, 2008 GTR.)
The key part in your statement is being with 1114.
The Cheesy Poofs havent always been with the more dominant partner. In fact, they WERE the dominant partner.
We would know as we were their teammates in 2001 and 2002 at SVR when we won gold.
Nobody's record as of this point is more impressive than the Poofs, IMO. Its not to say that 71, 111, 217,330 and others that started way back aren't just as good. But their track record stands out and speaks for itself, considering the no. of regionals they've been to. Furthermore, there are so many teams gunning for teams like them and 25. To continue to win regionals is outright impressive.
Cory made a good point that anyone at CMP can be beat. How the heck have they not won at CMP yet?
Its all about the alliances. No ONE robot wins. Its the strength of an alliance. On paper, alliances may look strong. However, the end match results dont always reflect that. No disrespect to any particular team. Just pointing out and reiterating the fact that history has shown that any good alliance can win.
We've had 2 regionals this year where an 8th seed won. 2007 CMP showed that any seed, including the 8th seed can win.
Why hasn't Tiger Woods won every single major since 1999 where he was clearly the best golfer in the world EVERY year since then?
That's because "shift" happens. :D :D

My favorite is still 1114................................


































with us as their 3rd alliance partner.:P

Akash Rastogi 08-04-2008 15:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 732857)
with us as their 3rd alliance partner.:P
Haha, I'm just hoping we get picked by someone who knows how to have fun. That's the most important part to me right now.

TD78 08-04-2008 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lilstogi11 (Post 732866)
Haha, I'm just hoping we get picked by someone who knows how to have fun. That's the most important part to me right now.
Right on! I want our alliance to start singing a little Journey during the elims to stay loose.

"Don't stop, believin'...." ;)

Guy Davidson 08-04-2008 15:37
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 732698)
My prediction states that if 1114 and (2056 or 217) end up on the same division, its more or less game over for everyone else. the 1114/2056/x combination at Waterloo/GTR has proved unstoppable for 2 years running.
While you're right that 1114/2056 have proven themselves to be quite a tandem at Waterloo and GTR this year, I'd like to remind you that we'll be competing in Atlanta, and not up north. With all due respect to the competition at Waterloo and GTR, the competition in Atlanta will be several notches higher. Would you take the 3rd, 4th, and 23rd best robots at Waterloo or GTR over the same combo in Atlanta? Would it even be close? I don't think it will. Many other regional winning alliances this year (67/503, 39/987, 254/100, 254/233, etc., etc., etc.) are very powerful and just as poised to strike.

I believe that Simbot SS is the best Overdrive robot out there right now, at least as far as I have seen. However, this is not a competition one robot can dominate. If you want a list of robots that I'd bet on putting high scores, look at the Offensive Power Rankings thread. If you want to talk about favorite to win their division, and maybe even the whole thing, talk to me Saturday at noon :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 732614)
**response to Guy**
I actually like your reasoning better!:D
I will throw something else in the mix. Team 25 and 968 knew that was our strategy as we knew both of them dont place balls, unless by chance. When you get a chance to see the vids later, you will see them also try and knock our balls down once placed. Well,....... they were unsuccessful as we parked our bots right in front of it, pushing backwards at times. Had they had us as a third teammate, we would have placed the ball....hehe...:D (nah, highly unlikely)
I think the challenge will be for the 3rd bot in being able to knock balls down, as opposing teams will be doing a lot of "parking" as a strategy in the heated last seconds of a close match.
I think we both agree that the 3rd bot is more important than what has been said here. AND that's why your bot should easily make the elimination matches at CMP. Depending on how refs let matches play out, I'd hate to go up against 2024 also.
Now I absolutely agree with you. It will come down to driver skill and strategy.

waialua359 08-04-2008 15:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RollinTDollin (Post 732869)
Right on! I want our alliance to start singing a little Journey during the elims to stay loose.

"Don't stop, believin'...." ;)
Based on your robot design that should have been copyright protected or paid royalties for with all of the similar designs, how about....."Wheels in the sky keep on turning."

James Mullenax 08-04-2008 16:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RollinTDollin (Post 732869)
Right on! I want our alliance to start singing a little Journey during the elims to stay loose.

"Don't stop, believin'...." ;)
In 2006 the year team 1629 won Chesapeake, Queen did very well for us lol

"Under Pressure", "Another One Bites the Dust" and the list goes on

dtengineering 08-04-2008 16:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 732615)
I think its an understatement to say that the Cheesy Poofs have been long due since their inception year, 1999! :p
By the way, congrats on the WFA.
Well, having had the pleasure of seeing both the Poofs and Simbotics in action the past few years, I'll grant you that they are both outstanding and deserving teams.

What is unfortunate, in a way, is that Einstein won't see the top 12 teams competing. Sure... there won't be any slackers on the field... but while it is possible to have the number one and number two robot from any division on an alliance, the chances of the number three robot being there are pretty close to zero.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if, after the divisional championships were completed, there was a mechanism to pick the very best possible alliance from each division... which would likely be different from the winning alliance... so that the top twelve teams (or as close to it as humanly possible) were competing for the top overall title.

It could be a vote by the teams in the division to pick the top three machines/teams. It could be a panel of the judges picks the top alliance, or it could be that the panel of judges advises a FIRST celebrity like Dean (representing Curie) or Woodie (reprsenting Newton, for instance) who makes the final call and then cheers for that division on Einstein... or even gets involved as a "coach" on the field.

Or maybe we just need a sponsor to come forward and put on a "pro-bowl" type of all star event after Championships on an invitation only basis. The top alliances could be arranged geographically, or by sponsor (GM vs. NASA... what a match!) Alliances could even be made up of four or five teams, and an alliance "General Manager" would determine who played in any given match... just to shake things up a bit.

Of course that would take the focus off the Chairman's as being the top award, and it is important to keep in mind that while winning is nice, and seeing the very best teams duke it out is fun... that isn't really the point of this whole crazy thing we call FIRST.

So while I'm looking forward to cheering for whoever wins (in person for the first time!) I'll stick to my prediction that 1114 will be one of the members of that alliance.

Jason

TD78 08-04-2008 16:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 732890)
Or maybe we just need a sponsor to come forward and put on a "pro-bowl" type of all star event after Championships on an invitation only basis.
There is something very similar to this right now. It's IRI! :) Nearly every qual match last year seemed to involve alliances you would typically see on Einstein. It was an awesome experience.

popnbrown 08-04-2008 17:15
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I say 103 and 2344 get in there somewhere.

dtengineering 08-04-2008 17:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RollinTDollin (Post 732891)
There is something very similar to this right now. It's IRI! :) Nearly every qual match last year seemed to involve alliances you would typically see on Einstein. It was an awesome experience.
Hmm... I was, of course, aware of IRI but I hadn't looked at the team list in detail before. I do recognize a lot of very competitive teams taking part in the competition and had not realized just how far some of those teams will travel for an off-season event.

Impressive.

Jason

JaneYoung 08-04-2008 18:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 732942)
Hmm... I was, of course, aware of IRI but I hadn't looked at the team list in detail before. I do recognize a lot of very competitive teams taking part in the competition and had not realized just how far some of those teams will travel for an off-season event.

Impressive.

Jason
If it is an event sponsored by FIRST and becomes an event that is solely comprised of the 'top teams' of the FIRST competition season, then that is changing the face of FIRST pretty drastically. In recent seasons, including this one, change has been discussed in these fori, including having teams compete at their 'home' regional, if there is such a thing. Also, having teams submit their WFA and their Chairman's to said home regional. Talking about a FIRST tournament/competition for the elite teams and sponsored by FIRST sponsors is added change. As we continue to do the homework, creating new teams and including them in the program, and aggressively developing programs to help them acclimate, grow, succeed - are we pushing the elite to a top tier as well or is that just discussion?

What does not change in the scheme of things is the commitment of the mentors to the program and the participation of teenagers in all areas of the FIRST development and competition, whether they are members of new rookie teams, successful teams, or elite teams. When having these discussions, that should be kept at the forefront of the discussions as well as the equal amount of money paid to participate. I'm of the mind at this time, that the bigger the party, the better - may the best on that weekend, win - and may everyone have a blast and recognize that they have competed in the 2008 season.

BT987 08-04-2008 19:20
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory (Post 732791)
Kinda like how 1114 and 330 ended up in the same division last year, and everyone thought it was over?

It's never over till it's over. Who thought anyone besides 330 and company had a snowball's chance in hell of taking down Pink and Beatty last year?
well put:cool:

MasterChief 573 08-04-2008 20:05
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Well it looks like we will only have to wait one more day until we can all start making some serious predictions. I say this because the team list is up to 341, and based on the pit map, only 344 teams can be entered. So yeah, WHOSE PUMPED ABOUT GETTING TO MAKE SOME REALISTIC PREDICTIONS!!!

cziggy343 08-04-2008 20:06
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterChief 573 (Post 733009)
Well it looks like we will only have to wait one more day until we can all start making some serious predictions. I say this because the team list is up to 341, and based on the pit map, only 344 teams can be entered. So yeah, WHOSE PUMPED ABOUT GETTING TO MAKE SOME REALISTIC PREDICTIONS!!!
me:D i really want to start scouting too

Striker_27 08-04-2008 20:15
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
I think that Hybrid will play a major part during any of the matches in Atlanta. Team RUSH 27 is collecting used or unused IR Boards and we will recondition them for the use of other teams in Atlanta who may have broken their board. If you have an IR Board that you would like to donate please email me at socceraddict63@aol.com.

GaryVoshol 08-04-2008 21:22
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 732942)
Hmm... I was, of course, aware of IRI but I hadn't looked at the team list in detail before. I do recognize a lot of very competitive teams taking part in the competition and had not realized just how far some of those teams will travel for an off-season event.

Impressive.

Jason
Jason,

I'm sure they'd welcome some Western Canadian teams at IRI.

Nawaid Ladak 09-04-2008 00:13
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
if the alliances were to close as they are right now, my predictions would be

Normal Order: Archimedes would take the gold with 1114, 27, and 71
Serpentine Order: Newton would take the gold with 254, 40 and 2166

now we wait until tomorrow...

cziggy343 09-04-2008 00:17
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawaid Ladak (Post 733152)
if the alliances were to close as they are right now, my predictions would be

Normal Order: Archimedes would take the gold with 1114, 27, and 71
Serpentine Order: Newton would take the gold with 254, 40 and 2166

now we wait until tomorrow...
both of those are the divisions we are in... whoop whoop!

Cory 09-04-2008 00:18
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawaid Ladak (Post 733152)
if the alliances were to close as they are right now, my predictions would be

Normal Order: Archimedes would take the gold with 1114, 27, and 71
Serpentine Order: Newton would take the gold with 254, 40 and 2166

now we wait until tomorrow...
There is no possible way 71 would ever be around that long.

EricH 09-04-2008 00:34
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory (Post 733155)
There is no possible way 71 would ever be around that long.
Even if they fielded a box on wheels or a refrigerator (look in the spotlights--there's one by Gary Dillard about this...), and they never field either unless that's the way to win.

Pick again.

Guy Davidson 09-04-2008 00:34
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawaid Ladak (Post 733152)
if the alliances were to close as they are right now, my predictions would be

Normal Order: Archimedes would take the gold with 1114, 27, and 71
Serpentine Order: Newton would take the gold with 254, 40 and 2166

now we wait until tomorrow...
Not only, as Cory pointed out, there is no way either of your first three teams would be around for the second pick (third alliance member), I also think you could form quite a few better alliances in the serpentine. 1114/217/x ? 233/1124/x? 39/1024/x? 254/330/x? 233/987/x?

All in all, this is just crazy talk. Even once divisions are out, I bet no one will correctly predict the winning alliance until people are posting predictions after alliance selections on Saturday.

BornaE 09-04-2008 00:45
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 733164)
Not only, as Cory pointed out, there is no way either of your first three teams would be around for the second pick (third alliance member), I also think you could form quite a few better alliances in the serpentine. 1114/217/x ? 233/1124/x? 39/1024/x? 254/330/x? 233/987/x?

All in all, this is just crazy talk. Even once divisions are out, I bet no one will correctly predict the winning alliance until people are posting predictions after alliance selections on Saturday.
shhhhhhhhhhhhh.......
Please don't paint a red circle on our backs. :eek:

Akash Rastogi 09-04-2008 00:55
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 733164)
Not only, as Cory pointed out, there is no way either of your first three teams would be around for the second pick (third alliance member), I also think you could form quite a few better alliances in the serpentine. 1114/217/x ? 233/1124/x? 39/1024/x? 254/330/x? 233/987/x?

All in all, this is just crazy talk. Even once divisions are out, I bet no one will correctly predict the winning alliance until people are posting predictions after alliance selections on Saturday.
x represents 2nd tier teams I assume. What would be your ideal third team? Not just robot qualities, but driver qualities and strategic qualities.

cziggy343 09-04-2008 09:47
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 0705920 (Post 733166)
shhhhhhhhhhhhh.......
Please don't paint a red circle on our backs. :eek:
i dont think you need the red circle painted on you... i think you did it yourself;)

65_Xero_Huskie 09-04-2008 09:54
Re: Predictions to win 2008 Frc Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 733163)
Even if they fielded a box on wheels or a refrigerator (look in the spotlights--there's one by Gary Dillard about this...), and they never field either unless that's the way to win.

Pick again.
Def. Agree.
71 is on the top of peoples list even when they arnt at a regional.
I heard that some team at GLR wanted them as their number one pick. :O
Ha.


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