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probably anywhere between 3 and 5 per match would be good for an arm.

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5 per match would be good for anyone

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true that... maybe i was overambitious since we have an arm bot?:p

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Come on, Cory, no love for your old team? If you have to mention the cream puffs of the west coast, how can you forget about 100? 192 is pretty good too. I'd also throw in our Hawaiian friends from 368 and 359, as they're practically west coast. And if you're looking for some defense, 294 and 8 would be happy to show you that defense has spread beyond the northeast.

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Sweet, so we're still in the running. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

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I believe that the winners this year will not be who everyone is expecting to win. For instance last year the "weakest" division was Newton and thats the division that ended up winning the whole thing. It usually ends up that the teams everyone expects to win, dont. Whether it's mechanical/electrical problems or just a shear better alliance knocks them out. Stuff happends...

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And thats exactly why 503 and 2024 are going to join together and beat 1114 and 217!!! :D Hey, its happened before...

Maybe at SVR. But not HI, I'd call 148 pts. a pretty decent score... :cool:

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What teams are well known for strategic excellence?

What does this mean?

What is OPR?

What is a good score?

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Teams that have come out strong when they were considered underdogs are in this category. Any low seeds who were able to take over a top alliance with a good strategy. You would have had to scout them out to know who is the best at strategy though.

Prime example from my experience- 1418, 2016, and 11 in Chesapeake. 8th alliance that knocked out each of the other alliances in 2 rounds straight. We worked hard on strategy and it showed. Same goes for us in NJ...103 was just too strong though.

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Talking about a great 1-2 punch hurdling combo is old news now. Until we see the divisions setup on Wed, this discussion on possible alliances will change once more.
Id like to hear possible 2nd round 3rd teammate alliances.
If its assumed that the 1-2 punch will take care of the hurdling, who are realistic possible 3rd partner candidates.
I for one think we definitely fit in this category. Heck, when we were with pink and RAWC, it was the first time in 3 years that we were the last option team to carry the offensive load.
AND I loved it!!!!!! 138 points is not bad!!!
As stated earlier, if the only requirement is 3 line crossings during hybrid, being able to knock balls down and placing, I've got no problem with that!
Personally, I think MANY teams at CMP will be able to do this. I expect to see alliances to be able to ALL do 3 lines or more AND knock at least 1 ball down, depending on what the opposing alliance does (blocking) during the auto mode. Furthermore, if your alliance cant do that, you will find yourself quite a ways behind when the match starts. That spells bad news.
As a scouter, I want my team looking at great and consistent hybrid bots during hybrid/auto, consistent smart driving, and being able to play some smart defense with knocking/placing balls consistently.

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Glenn, I agree, with the exception of ball placing. I really don't think placing is that important at the end of the game. I'd much rather have my drivers focusing on smart driving, playing D, and knocking balls.

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I thought this was illegal.

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I'm glad you brought it up!
Blocking "may" not be illegal. I for one thought it was, even after the heated CD discussions and updates.
However, during week 3 regionals, especially the one we attended, blocking was done and WE were called for 30 points in penalties for hitting the blocking robot, during hybrid mode.
Prior to the Hawaii regional matches, I made it a point to ask the head ref on how he would call it on a situation where the opposing team blocks. He said he wouldn't call a penalty on either side.
It really was fine with us as we knew prior to the matches and as long as it was consistent throughout the weekend.
Not sure what the GDC would say, however, I would definitely ask the head ref on Thursday at CMP. It may differ from division to division.

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I think its definitely debate-able. We definitely needed to place both balls all weekend in order to win our seeding matches and get through eliminations to the finals. Placing both balls were the key in winning our last pivotal match during seeding rounds which both 2024 and us needed against the 846 and 1572 teams where all of us were in the top 8 prior to playing our last match. 2024 and us placed both balls in the last 5 seconds to win that match.
In addition, during the elimination matches, we and 368 went up against the powerhouse 25 and 968 team. We won ultimately because we placed the balls up at the end of the matches. There alliance never placed balls. With a point differential of 24 points, you will see that we won by a score much less than that, thus its importance.

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I see your point. However, from the point of view of simplicity and being able to focus on task, I'd rather have my drivers focus on one thing or another. In the eliminations, I believe most alliances will be structured with two ball handlers, aka hurdlers, and a third defensive and ball-knocking bot. I think that with the hecticness at the end of most matches, I'd rather my defensive bot focuses on preventing the other alliance from placing, or knocking over a placed ball (both of which, if done right, as just as good as a place for the same alliance) while the two ball handlers try to place the ball, if they can, or make a last-second hurdle.

In both cases you presented, your ball handlers made the last-second place. I bet it would have been much harder to pull off a double-place in the last five seconds (as I've also seen 2024 and 192 pull of during the SVR eliminations) of one of the placers was not one of the default ball handlers, and you would have needed to coordinate transferring / changing ball handling.

Perhaps a friendly wager of some sorts? If we agree that most eliminations alliances will have two major ball handlers, then I believe that very few elimination matches will be decided by a ball placed by the third (non-handling) alliance members. What say you?