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I got to say 1114 robot is one of the best i have seen this year and it has been dominating, not like last years where they did dominate but not as much as this years.

I predict the winning alliance in atlanta would be 1114,2056 and team 70

any other predicitons

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Let's see what the divisions look like first. It's entirely possible that those three aren't in the same division and the winner comes from a different division.

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Very true

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This might be a bold and slightly pretentious statement, but I predict that at least one team on the winning alliance will be from GLR. Thats just how impressive the robots there were.

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i predict that at least one bot will be from Midwest. It was much more impressive, and it was week 1.
that robot will probably also be from Waterloo and GTR though :P

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That my friend is debatable.

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i think that they both were very VERY competitive! and from both of these regionals, i predict that at least two will be on einstein.

EDIT: note the at least=]

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No matter which robots win, none of them would be any good in a water game.

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this is very true:p

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I'd put money on a team with a 1 in it's number winning.

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39, 330 or 254, west coast is gonna bring it home this year

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If I was going solely on robot excellence and driver talent, I'd put 1114 on there. Unfortunately, they've got a target on them the size of Texas. Thus, BethNack predicts (yes, I know, totally legit...) that someone is gonna try to take them out. I hope I'm wrong, but... something in me tells me I'm not. I do hope that teams will demonstrate enough class and GP not to go Battlebots on the field...

That being said, the prediction I will make is this: the winning alliance will be composed of 3 teams fully capable of hurdling. It will contain a team well known for strategic excellence, and I believe at least one team from either GLR or MWR

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This would be my hope for the winner of the 2008 FRC Championship.

-If the Divisions are set up Sepentine (based on The Blue Alliance setup): Archimedes will take it with 1114, 2056, 341

-If the Divisions are set up Normal (based on The Blue Alliance setup):
Curie will take it with 1114, 233, ????

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If 330 and 1114 are in the same alliance...yup ;)

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I agree with you until here. I don't see the need for all three robots on an alliance to be able to hurdle. It does give you some strategic flexibility, but if I had to choose, I take an excellent defender / ball knocker over a mediocre hurdler every time. During the elimination, what you really need are good and experienced drivers with reliable robots.

I agree with Beth, the winning alliance will have at least one team noted for their strategic excellence. That team will also be the big kahuna on that alliance, and the lead hurdler. They will grab one of the next best hurdlers with thir first pick of the draft, and score a very strong defender and ball knocker with their third pick.

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for some reason... i think that somehow, someway, somebody will knock off 1114... something just gives me that feeling... ive been working out strategy... but i doubt it would work:D but that wont stop me from trying;)

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some eligable teams are still missing
NYC isn't done yet, and some teams are pending

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Hard to predict when the final divisions with teams aren't even posted yet. NYC regional will definitely change the current setup/picture.
Once that comes out on Wednesday, I presume, the top teams will strategically already be looking for one another, weighing pros/cons of pairing with each other.
The only way it wont happen is if, a team(s) rides the wave to the top and breaks the alliances apart.
1114 is a clear frontrunner, however, no one robot, can win it all by itself at CMP where there will be many robots that can hurdle quickly and efficiently.
If they or a good potential teammate ends up at #1 seed, many of the predictions will come true about their awesome team. They will be sure to be either the #1 seed or the #1 pick, whether they accept or not. That we know is a guarantee.
I would instead look at other divisions to see if any 1-2-3 combo could take on 1114 and their alliance at Einstein.
I think defense will be a much larger factor at CMP and the refs will let defense play out a whole lot more.

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I was gonna make the exact same point, after two regionals of using a robot that can do nothing but race and knock the ball off I'm convinced that it is a very effective form of strategy, mainly because if your good enough at it you can score in the same range consistently each match. However, with that being said, a speed demon/ball knocker would have to also be able to score at least 12 points during the autonomous period in order to be Einstein because I doubt that any robot can get more than 12 laps during the regular period (we've done 11).

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I actually think the laps won't matter too much. After autonomous is over, you have two choices (as a third robot, as there are only two balls): run laps or play defense. If you can run eight or ten laps, you earn 16-20 points. On the other hand, if you can slow down an opposite hurdler enough to cost them 2 or 3 hurdles, not only you are worth about the same point differential to your alliance, but also you throw the opposing alliance off their game plan. And that could be worth even more.

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It depends on the circumstances, but yeah I definitely agree that in some situations defense will be more important than laps. In fact, I've seen some of those circumstances first hand already.

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I agree. Your team showed how defense was worth more than just trying to do laps. As great as it is to see fast robots avoid traffic and spin around the track, they simply are not worth that much points once hybrid is over.
Wasting 20 seconds and preventing a team from a hurdle is much more effective.
Our team was able to always get 2 hurdles or more per match in Hawaii, even though defense was played on us and even if we had trouble at times, grabbing the ball. With the laps included, that's a minimum of 20++ points always. That's equivalent to a fast lap bot alway doing 10 laps. Hurdles are just worth so much more and teams that can prevent/delay hurdles is a much bigger play, IMO, than anything else. Ive seen many matches where teams get 5+ hurdles in a match, but if you watch, almost no defense is played on them at all.

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Don't forget 968, 987 and 1717. All of which had amazing performances on the west coast.


Also, 8 and 294 will be some solid Defenders that can get a few hurdles if needed.

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My prediciton:

Due to the randomness of the qualification and elimination process in Atlanta, none of the robots explicitely mentionned in this thread so far will take the gold home.

There will be at least 2 good hurdlers in the winning alliance

The game will not be the same once on the big stage.

Francois

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I don't know if 341 is that strong of a robot this year. But yes, it is highly competitive.

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1114 is looking like the best team this year but any thing could happen and they could break or they could have a bad alliance

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I feel fortunate this year I've got to see a lot of great robots live and in person.

Last Year 5 Einstein Robots competed at the Florida Regional.

233, mind blowingly awesome 'nuff said.

But people seem to forget about the rest, 179 when they weren't suffering from mechanical problems was hard to stop, people seemed to forget they ran 3 lines and hurdled 5 times ( 1 was a cap, that got pushed over ) to knock out 103 in the semi's. 1251, helped run the show with 233, a very fast and effective hurdling machine. 69 as well in those finals, knocking over the first ball in hybrid effectively and running 3-4 lines, it was pretty impressive.

79 showed what they can do in Florida and proved what they can do again in bayou, put up 4-5 hurdles and run 3,4 lines in auton with their awesome collision avoidance. 103 has a great bot and they've proved it at a few regionals. Teams like 342, 108, and 180 will all make differences the champs.

At the bayou regional, there were a few amazing machines like 118, 230, 148, 79 ( again) and 16. 16 has really come on strong this year, they kept up with 1114 at midwest, and surpassed the competition in New Orleans, they will be one of the teams to beat in Atlanta. 118 has had some mechanical troubles but really started to show what they could do in elims, they have a very powerful launcher, and system in general, if they pair up with another super team they'll be a tough one to stop. 148, its hard to believe they won't be picking, but if they aren't they'll be a strong pick, strong defense, good autonomous, if you want a lap runner, they are the cream of the crop. In my opinion three hurdlers crowd the field, a strong defensive bot, or "role player" with a good autonomous is going to be the way to go in the second round picking this year, if 148 isn't picking they are perfect for this role, if they last that long.

So putting it all together, I think there will be a few Florida Regional teams representing again this year, its a somewhat underrated very powerful regional, proving again how far Florida FIRST has come in the past few years.

I can't wait to see how the divisions shape up, I don't think it will take 3 hurdlers this year, but 2 good hurdlers who can handle lots of defense ( which is key ) and 3 strong autons, Alliances with well coordinated autons that knock down balls, and run a few lines as well as put up good hurdling scores are going to be hard to beat.

This too me is what makes 1114 so good, sure they can put up 8 hurdles, there are a few others that can put up 7, but they can knock off 2 balls and run 5 lines, at that point as we say in the south.. Doneskies. But then again, we have said the same thing for a few teams in the past few years, and a diamond in the rough usually proves us all wrong.

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I see a lot of very good points towards bots like 1114, 39 (and others not on the top of my head right now), but I still say that the winning alliance is going to be the dark horse of the competition. I look at last year as my basis for this. I never dreamed that anyone would be able to take down the ridiculously powerful 71/179/233 alliance but I was proven wrong. Through great strategy and teamwork even the most powerful alliance can be beaten. (I had another one of those OH-MY-GOSH-ATLANTA-IS-IN-LESS-THAN-TWO-WEEKS moments typing this :D )

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(I had another one of those OH-MY-GOSH-ATLANTA-IS-IN-LESS-THAN-TWO-WEEKS moments typing this :D )[/quote]
I cant wait either

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...and a belief that 3 good machines and their crews all decked out in maroon could compete with any alliance:D

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there are a bunch of teams that have a good chance at it this year: 1114, 217, 233, 254, 968, 330, 2056, 1024, 71, 111, 118, 16, 39, 987, 1717, 1625, 121, 230, 148 and I could go on... It will all come down to who gets lucky, makes the best alliance selection, and who gets lucky (really with that many matches in the elims luck has alot to do with it).

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I actually don't believe 1114 will win this year. I know, it sounds blasphemous considering how they easily have the single best robot this year, and their drivers are top notch, but that doesn't seem to define who wins Champs. It seems the winners of Champs is usually the alliance that best balances all aspects of the game. Pure, all out hurdling will not win this year, just as pure tube scoring could not win last year.

I predict the winning alliance will have one great hurdler, and two decent hurdlers, but one of those hurdlers will be playing defense. From how things would go, I would be willing to bet that most of the Einstein matches will not break 100, for the simple fact that at least one of the alliances is going to almost always be reduced to one trackball and chances are you will see two or more trackballs being taken out of the question due to defense.

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That's an interesting point.
I wonder what 2 powerhouses on each side of the field will bring to Einstein. Will it be an all out offensive battle, or will it be a defensive struggle?
My guess is the San Diego regional finals is more indicative of what we will see.
OR, depending on who/what that third robot can/will do, it may alter the outcome of the type of match we will see. Defensive strategies can greatly alter the type of "show" we will see.

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I definatly see 1114 winning this year, just because its a lot harder this year to stop them. Every other year, some team has a good enough bot to keep up and defend them (last year was running them into the rack, which everyone remembers) but this year, although you can slow them down, you can't do it for nearly as long, IMO, as you could last year.

That and they aren't dumb, they will be picking good alliance partners as well (or get picked ethier way) but they have improved greatly over the last couple regionals, and I think they deserve to win as well, they make amazing robots all the time lol.

Good luck 1114, you better bring gold to Canada this year :D:D:D

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I agree that 1114 probably won't win. Although 1114 is clearly the best team and has the best chance of winning, there are just too many factors involved. Bad alliances partners in qualification, a top ranked seed breaking up alliances, robots breaking in eliminations, being picked by a weaker alliance...there are just too many things that can go wrong. I do think they do deserve to win (I know I'll be rooting for them), but just looking at the 300+ teams at the championship, the chances of just one team winning is fairly small no matter how dominate they are.

If I had place my money on one team, it would be 1114. However, thier chances of winning are very small (just because of the amount of teams and luck invovled).

I think 3 hurdlers will win. Both of the first two robots will be very good hurdlers and at least one will be a team that has been mentioned in conversations of the best hurdlers. The third robot can hurdle, very good hybrid, can play good defense and experienced enough to face different situations.

I'm interested to see how solely lap/defense robots, like 148, are selected. If I was selecting an alliance, I would not take a robot that couln't hurdler. There have been too many eliminations and matches affected by an alliance main hurdler breaking down. I would take a team that may not get as many laps but can hurdler if need be.

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I know that my team (Team 1629 GACO) may not be the best robot out there but i do believe that we can help "put up a fight" we would be a great pick... We get bout 4 or 5 lines in hybrid mode plus we are extremly fast and moblie as well as a good hurdler/launcher... thats right we catapult it!... I will have to agree with previous statements that a well balanced alliance can easily take down a "powerhouse" robot... In buckeye our alliance took down the powerhouse bot 1024... once, but still, any alliance can take down anyone else... I feel that stratagy will play a HUGE part in this years champs...

GOOD LUCK TO ALL TEAMS... GO GaCo!!!!!!!!!!!

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Not to repeat the admirations of others, but really, if 1114 doesn't win this year, I'll assume they have a curse upon them worse than the Cubs' billy goat.

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Sorry, but I think that 1114 is probably one of the only robots that may be able to win a match by themselves in qualifiers even with bad alliance partners. Granted, they are not going up against another "superpower" team as I like to call them.

An average of 8 hurdles I think? That's just nuts.

Yes, there are actually a lot of teams like this that can help put up a fight. Take us for example, we can hurdle an average of 4 and we know how to play defense and how to strategize well. Like I said, there's alot of teams like this.

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I'm betting on 1114 and/or 330 will take it.

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Hrm.
Theres def. a lot of debate onto who is going to win. However.
If 1114 wasnt to win it all, they HAVE to have number 1 seed spot.
If they are not #1 or picked by #1 (considering they are the top shooter) i Highly doubt they will win it all.
Also.
If 1114,330,??
vs.
217,1024,??
Id have to say it would def. be a 3rd match great finals.

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I don't think they have an average of 8 hurdles per match. I'm pretty sure the most hurdles by a single robot in one match (with proof) stands at 7.

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I'd like to point out the fact that 1114 has yet to win a division at champs. It has been proven throughout the season that they are defeatable. Although it seems to be much much much more difficult when they have a hand-picked alliance brought around by the beginning of the elimination rounds. However, with the caliber and scoring record of many of the teams attending champs, there is a decent likelihood of a team capable of toppling them coming together. It all depends on who winds up in who's division. I believe that the winning alliance will include 3 hurdlers. One with a good hybrid (multiple lines with at least 1 ball), the other two with at least a line. One that can place at the end (it may come down to that to win). At least one that can easily knock off opponent's balls at the end. The third (least productive) hurdler will play defense until one of the others is taken out of commission or stops functioning on its own (if all things go to plan they will play defense the entire time, breaks happen though).

Alec


ps

I'd thoroughly not mind being on that team

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Im going to say its gonna be the darkhorse taking home the gold. But I think the alliance that knocks out 1114 will be remebered more even if they get ousted in the next round.

I believe a team that can handle any complication (breakdown, good defense, 1114 making it rain, etc) will be really valuable, This sounds like common sense but IMO the all-arounders who know how to and CAN play (execute)defense/offense on demand will make it it to the big dance.

IMO an alliance will consist 2 hurdlers and "special ops" bot. I know people will want to have insurance for a hurdler breaking down but the old proverbs state "Offense wins games. Defense wins championships" and "A great defense is a good offense." A team that never scores cant win, may sound cliche but its definately true.

No matter what I can not wait to compete and watch. 10 days is too long!

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I agree with that 100%. Seriously that's what our drivers have trained for and that's what we showed in both NJ and Chesapeake. Special Ops is an awesome name for that type of robot. Ours is just one of those robots that can hurdle competitively and can give the opponent hell on the field in terms of defense. Alliance partners that we had can also agree with me on this that our strategies were awesomely effective on the field.

Again, totally agree.

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wow, so were hearing a lot of 1114 vs the field arguements here. lol

1114 right now reminds me of Tiger Woods right now, i won't make my prediction for the championships until late next Sunday.

btw: is that a good comparison 1114 to FIRST is like Tiger Woods to Golf

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I would say 71 is like the tiger woods of golf. cant overlook the 4 national/world titles and the fact they were in the title match last year.
:D Anyone can have a great year.
As for most successful track record, even though no world titles, since their inception, IMO, hands down, the cheesy poofs! With a track record of winning about 90+ percent of regionals attended since 1999, that is simply amazing!
Of all the teams every year, I look forward to "their" bot every year!

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I think its more like 1114 to FIRST is like Lebron James to basketball

Hes (probably) the best player in basketball, but needs a team to win the entire championship.

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i think i've made that comparision before, i think in the gameday chat somewhere

FIRST=NBA
06" Team 25 Robot = Kobe Bryant
08" Team 1114 Robot = Lebron James

edit: the only thing that defeates this theory is: Lebron James put the Cavs on his back last year and took them to the finals...reminds me of 25 in 2006 (no disrespect to teams 195 and 968, they were great machines too.) and kobe needed someone to win: aka Shaq. i think 1114 will need this to succeed in Atlanta (217, 2056, 67 etc.)

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Those aren't mutually exclusive sets. :cool:

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Whatever alliance that has 2 teams in the top 20 of the OPR standings and doesn't choke on Einstein will win.

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So many people are talking about 1114 vs the world! wow.. Remember that 1114 will be high in the seeding of whatever division they are (almost a garuntee) and won't have bad partners. The championships have loads of good bots, 1114 has amazing scouting, therefore there will be good bots on 1114's team as well.

Remember its not a three vs one competition! 1114's team will be just as big of deal as 1114 themselves! :D

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They won't have bad partners, but they may not have the chance to form a superalliance. A team may "ride the wave" and be ranked first, breaking up the top 8.

Although its more than likely they will have a great alliance.

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and, if memory serves me correctly... 1114 has yet to be a number one seed anywhere... which means there are other teams that WILL get up there. i dont see 1114 running the table in any division.

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Just out of curiosity...
How does TBA get the list of who's going to CMP? Is it from who's eligible? Because I noticed that 876 and 1872 are listed on TBA but not on the FIRST website. I don't know if they are pending, but I was just wondering.

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Actually I believe they were ranked first in GTR
http://www2.usfirst.org/2008comp/eve.../rankings.html

They were 3rd in midwest and 3rd in waterloo

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well... ive been proved wrong yet again:p thanks for checking that:D

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They were number 1 in GTR, and they will probably be better in championships (assuming they don't crack under pressure), then in the GTR. They have improved in leaps and bounds with each competition they have been in, and I don't see them getting any worse lol:yikes:

EDIT: Drat.. beat me...

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i never said that they would get worse... im still holding out on the competition getting better:D

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From what I see, the championships are as predictable as the WPT :P

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I just wanna say that anything can happen at championships, and the least likely robots can win. This being said i would still go with the powerhouse teams due to the skill needed to put up high scores. My favorites are 217, 1114, 330, 1124 and finally 987 for the repeat.

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One thing that tends to happen at the Championship due to the low number of qualification matches is that a team who is not the strongest can "fluke" to the top of the standings due to good luck and/or alliance partners. We have all seen this discussed before and seen it in action in person, so I will not go into the details of it, but this is one of those factors that can severely affect the outcome of the divisions. When the weaker number 1 seeded team picks the stronger teams also seeded in the top 8, the powerhouse alliances can often get split up. Thus, it can be very hard to pick one team to win at all because of bad luck scenarios such as this. That said, if there is one robot that might be good enough to carry any alliance to Einstein, that robot has to be 1114.

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I know everyone likes to look at the top teams this year and predict them winning the championship, and most likely one of them will be on the winning alliance. But what I am looking for is this years 987 of last year, or 296 in '06, the team that makes major improvements over their regional performance. if you remember back to 06' a big part of 217, 296, and 522 winning performance was 296 improving from a 'good' team in their regional competitions to an 'elite' team at the championship. The same thing basically happened last year with 987 (I'm not as familiar with their regional performance), but I believe they improved a lot at the championship and really knew how to drive that bot in the elims (remember some of the ridiculous caps they made with defense on them??).

So watching the webcasts on friday and saturday morning I'll be looking for those teams that really step up their performance and fly under the radar a bit. Because I know all the top teams will be hunting for those great alliance selections, some picks may not have the pedigree thats expected and surprise some people.

Edit: post 610!!! w00t

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Hrmmm could 987 be this years 987? I wonder.....

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They are already on my elite team list, they may not be on everyone's radar but I would think after last year and how good they were at SD and LA this year they are on the elite team list already.

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Then what was 71 in 2002? Hmmm... actually i don't think there is any athlete as good as their robot that year. However 1114's bot is up there as one of the best all time.

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71 in 2002 had to have been the best designed bot for the games strategy ever.
plopping down and taking all match to move across the field. And getting max score almost every time :O

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Shhhhhhhhh....;)

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Too late Joe! The High Rollers are a household name in FIRST and CD.;)

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i've seen video of this monster, but i started FIRST in 2003. if i HAD to put an athlete to 71... it might just be SHAQ

(71+1114 = 2008 World Champions ???, if you didn't get that, go back to my earlier post in this thread). they would be a steal in the second round...

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one of my all-time favorites, Team 330, the Beachbots, kicked some major butt at LA and im betting on them to win. at the very least, being finalists.

i swear the beachbots will take over the world one day.

but a special good luck to team 39 and every other team competing!

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Hmmmmmmmmmm:)

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well said:D

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Remember that bad seeding on qualifications can make a team look
great or bad depending on how it goes.

Some teams drift to the top and run up 20 points of penalties per match.
It just means their alliance partners played their guts out.

At Midwest we were ranked 17th. We had some of the most difficult
seed matches we have ever seen. We were grateful that 1114 super
scouters recognized what we were actually doing insteading of the
ranking. We went on together to put that 146 score that stood for
quite a while.

Its a tough business winning. 1114 has so much on their shoulders about
what is expected of them we need to remember they are there to have
fun too, so are you!:)

Remember one last thing. All teams get better. There could be some sleeper
teams out there that found the missing bolt and loose wire or the grandeur of
Nationals brings the best out in them.

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Actually, I think 2001 version of 71 was even better. They could score more by themselves than most random 4 team alliances. In fact, any time they got a really low score for them it was because one of their partners blocked them from crossing the bridge.

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Anyone have any ideas on who those sleeper teams might be? All the teams I would have brought up have already been named but does anyone else have ideas?

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mine would be...
1251, 179, 16(if thats possible), 2056, 968, 1717, 1625, 1086

and im sure i could think of more, but those were the ones on the top of my head:D

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Add on 555 and 11 hehe:P j/k
If they fix their air problems (it runs out quickly) then I'd put up 375 as well. Their shooter is very similar to 103's if anyone saw it. Also 395, you can't deny that 2TrainRobotics is a strong robot.

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If any of the teams mentioned above are sleepers, then I highly disagree with your definition of a sleeper. Those are all well known teams, most with at least one regional championship, who all paly well. The true sleepers will only emerge after competition begins, because they either changed their strategy or improved their robot enough that their relative lack of reknown befor the competition will be gone by alliance selections.

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I was thinking of a sleeper as an average scoring robot that may have won a regional or came close to it. Yes, they are well known team, but they are kind of like second tier teams in terms of the tier 1 teams like 1114. True sleepers are what I consider third tier (none of which i listed up there).

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Yeah, those teams are pretty well known by other teams, especially 1717!

Some sleepers in my mind: 107, 291, 326, 337, 343, 357, and 573. Just of the top of my head. Half have one regional competitions, but I think that they still go relatively unnoticed.

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Don't you guys know that the west coast is soft??

Heck, we all just beat up on all those creampuff teams out here. Not like those midwestern folks with their super elite teams.

987, 330, 39, 1717, 968, 254... nothing to see here. Those guys couldn't hold 1114's jock. No need to worry about them in Atlanta. They can't hang with the big boys ;)

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lol, i heard 254 can't even put up a decent score. :rolleyes:

In all seriousness, I just can't wait for divisions to be released. That's when true winner predictions begin.

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I've enjoyed the privilege of attending Florida, GTR, and GLR. You're all correct, awesome bots. I have to say, however, Watch for HOT. Cannot be considered a sleeper. Their Autonomous is already elegant and they've got way more tricks up their sleeves.

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ha I thought that was serious until I looked at who posted it was from the poofs!!!! Ha

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really I think it could be split back into the arm vs shooter arguement (please don't do it though) but there are really strong shooters I could see win (16 and 39 are my favourites) some strong arm bots (330, 121 (they averaged 5 hurdles I think, maybe 4), 217 ) and some strong hybrids (1114, 254) all in all, anyone of those could win, anyone of those against one another would prove to be a very fun match to watch.

That being said, I still think 1114 will win, and I would love for them to win, but I would also love 121 to win because we shared their roller claw idea (they helped us with that video) and I would also love 16 to win, because flip bots are my favourite type of bots of all time, that and their roller is crazy, and they shoot really well.


So I guess what I'm saying is 1114, 121, 16 FOR THE WIN :D:D:D


EDIT: John Norris I also hit 610! thought I would share and give you more glory

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but, most of these that i listed, nobody stated in this thread... thats the only reason for the "above average" sleeper list:D

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I'm gonna call it now for real. The X-Factor on Einstein will be a 3rd bot who can knock, has at least 3 line hybrid and doesn't get penalties.

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What do you guys consider being a top number of hurdles for an arm bot (since it was brought up) but please don't go into the arm vs. shooter thing. Please.lol

edit: arm or lifter- average number of hurdles. Above, someone said that 330 and like 217 have 4-5 average. So what do you think is the best for an arm bot?

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I completely agree, but I would add that it needs to be able to get at least 30 points CONSISTENTLY!

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HYBRID HYBRID HYBRID. because I have been to both waterloo and GTR and lost both times to 1114 in semis, I have come to the conclusion that hybrid is huge. I always see the score that the end of the match and thinking " they did not get double the hurdles we got, and then I find out hyrbid score was like 54 to 16... so it made more sense

I think the teams that have a really good coordinated hybrids can pull off wins before the match even begins lol

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probably anywhere between 3 and 5 per match would be good for an arm.

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5 per match would be good for anyone

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true that... maybe i was overambitious since we have an arm bot?:p

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Come on, Cory, no love for your old team? If you have to mention the cream puffs of the west coast, how can you forget about 100? 192 is pretty good too. I'd also throw in our Hawaiian friends from 368 and 359, as they're practically west coast. And if you're looking for some defense, 294 and 8 would be happy to show you that defense has spread beyond the northeast.

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Sweet, so we're still in the running. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

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I believe that the winners this year will not be who everyone is expecting to win. For instance last year the "weakest" division was Newton and thats the division that ended up winning the whole thing. It usually ends up that the teams everyone expects to win, dont. Whether it's mechanical/electrical problems or just a shear better alliance knocks them out. Stuff happends...

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And thats exactly why 503 and 2024 are going to join together and beat 1114 and 217!!! :D Hey, its happened before...

Maybe at SVR. But not HI, I'd call 148 pts. a pretty decent score... :cool:

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What teams are well known for strategic excellence?

What does this mean?

What is OPR?

What is a good score?

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Teams that have come out strong when they were considered underdogs are in this category. Any low seeds who were able to take over a top alliance with a good strategy. You would have had to scout them out to know who is the best at strategy though.

Prime example from my experience- 1418, 2016, and 11 in Chesapeake. 8th alliance that knocked out each of the other alliances in 2 rounds straight. We worked hard on strategy and it showed. Same goes for us in NJ...103 was just too strong though.

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Talking about a great 1-2 punch hurdling combo is old news now. Until we see the divisions setup on Wed, this discussion on possible alliances will change once more.
Id like to hear possible 2nd round 3rd teammate alliances.
If its assumed that the 1-2 punch will take care of the hurdling, who are realistic possible 3rd partner candidates.
I for one think we definitely fit in this category. Heck, when we were with pink and RAWC, it was the first time in 3 years that we were the last option team to carry the offensive load.
AND I loved it!!!!!! 138 points is not bad!!!
As stated earlier, if the only requirement is 3 line crossings during hybrid, being able to knock balls down and placing, I've got no problem with that!
Personally, I think MANY teams at CMP will be able to do this. I expect to see alliances to be able to ALL do 3 lines or more AND knock at least 1 ball down, depending on what the opposing alliance does (blocking) during the auto mode. Furthermore, if your alliance cant do that, you will find yourself quite a ways behind when the match starts. That spells bad news.
As a scouter, I want my team looking at great and consistent hybrid bots during hybrid/auto, consistent smart driving, and being able to play some smart defense with knocking/placing balls consistently.