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Bongle 30-03-2008 14:18

Offensive Power Rankings for 2008
 
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Inspired by a post by sw293 in one of my long-past stats threads from 2006, I re-implemented his/her Offensive Power Rankings algorithm. Essentially, it tries to determine approximately how much each team, on average, contributed to their alliance.

You can see the math behind it detailed here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=19.

In essence, it looks at a team's accumulated score over the course of a weekend as a sum of the offensive power ratings of all the other teams, multiplied by the number of times that team was paired with each team.

Example: 1565's first match at GTR was with 2198 and 1870, and they played 8 matches total. The '...' would be all their other alliance partners through qualifying, multiplied each time by how many times they were allied with them.

TotalScore(1565) = OPR(1565)*8 + OPR(2198)*1 + OPR(1870)*1 + ...

Once you arrange the scores of all the teams from a regional in this way, then you end up with N equations (one big sum of scores per team) and N unknowns (the offensive power ratings). This can be solved to find out the OPRs.

Without further ado, here they are for GTR. I'll be doing other regionals in the very near future.

OZ_341 30-03-2008 14:34

Re: Offensive Power Rankings for 2008
 
These power rankings were a great help in 2006. (very accurate and very predictive) Of course they did not predict the exact outcome of matches, but it certainly let a team know what they were up against and who they were partnered with. It was a big part of our Championship scouting routine in 2006.

Thanks for offering to do this!

IndySam 30-03-2008 14:38

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The penalties are such a huge factor this year, unless you find a way to account for them, this formula won't accurately reflect a teams offensive ability.

Bongle 30-03-2008 14:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 727044)
The penalties are such a huge factor this year, unless you find a way to account for them, this formula won't accurately reflect a teams offensive ability.

Exactly correct. These shouldn't be used as the be-all end-all of scouting, but perhaps as pointers to find gems in the rough. There are many things that can happen in this game (and in other years) that aren't encapsulated in a simple number.

Joe Ross 30-03-2008 14:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 727044)
The penalties are such a huge factor this year, unless you find a way to account for them, this formula won't accurately reflect a teams offensive ability.

This is actually better then a team's offensive ability. It shows a teams point contribution. If a team is consistently penalized, they will have a lower OPR then a team that scores the same points per match but does so without penalties. You would obviously want the latter on your alliance.

Another interesting thing is that a team that constantly gets in the way of it's alliance parters would have a lower OPR then one that scores the same number of points but allows it's alliance partners to live to their full potential.

cziggy343 30-03-2008 14:52

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are thier going to be ones for every regional? or would that be an endeavour of the individual teams to do?

Bongle 30-03-2008 15:07

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Just finished the complete list. This includes every single 2nd-week and later regional. The first-week regionals have slightly different formatting for match results, and I couldn't include them easily. At least based on this analysis, we finally have an answer for the question: "Is anyone CLOSE to 1114?". The answer: no.

The top 50:
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1114        79.0239
2056        52.583
987        51.736
40        50.8061
233        50.1563
330        48.7413
494        47.7625
525        47.3403
217        47.1941
1625        46.0802
1024        45.6433
25        45.2803
103        45.2493
33        45.1412
39        44.6339
175        44.0685
1731        42.2656
1124        42.2552
67        42.1626
368        39.0168
20        37.4932
1718        37.472
191        37.3548
1086        37.3254
16        36.6151
126        36.0601
1251        35.7449
968        35.0079
1574        34.6153
100        34.5714
141        34.3271
1218        34.3093
836        34.1721
381        34.1544
1126        34.0365
383        33.3622
69        33.1613
79        33.0133
469        33.0073
1717        32.3547
254        31.4165
501        31.3563
365        31.2399
111        30.847
1098        30.7075
997        30.6114
1507        30.6009
1156        30.5231
1153        30.4529
47        30.3471

See the attachment for the rest.

MCahoon 30-03-2008 16:46

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I don't see entries for any teams I remember from Microsoft-Seattle Regional (Week 4). :confused:

IndySam 30-03-2008 16:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 727050)
This is actually better then a team's offensive ability. It shows a teams point contribution. If a team is consistently penalized, they will have a lower OPR then a team that scores the same points per match but does so without penalties. You would obviously want the latter on your alliance.

Another interesting thing is that a team that constantly gets in the way of it's alliance parters would have a lower OPR then one that scores the same number of points but allows it's alliance partners to live to their full potential.

A team can have a great scoring record and have few penalties but can still have their rating ruined by being on alliances that have scored penalties.

If you can't factor out alliance penalties then there is way too much "luck of the draw" possible in this chart.

Bongle 30-03-2008 17:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MCahoon (Post 727116)
I don't see entries for any teams I remember from Microsoft-Seattle Regional (Week 4). :confused:

It had funny formatting, but upon thinking about it some more, I don't think it should badly affect my program's ability to read it. I'll put it in and re-do them.

In fact, I can think of a way I should be able to get the week 1 regionals working as well.

Check this thread again in 10 minutes, I should have an updated one up.

Greg Marra 30-03-2008 17:07

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If you let me know a precise format you want, I can give you a huge CSV dump into the formatting you want from The Blue Alliance's database.

Gaurav27 30-03-2008 17:12

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I would also like to see standings of all teams ranked based on their record at the attended official events (Win-Loss-Tie). :)

Bongle 30-03-2008 17:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Marra (Post 727132)
If you let me know a precise format you want, I can give you a huge CSV dump into the formatting you want from The Blue Alliance's database.

"Red1 <tab> Red2 <tab> red3 <tab> blue1 <tab> blue2 <tab> blue3 <tab> redscore <tab> bluescore <line feed or carriage return or end of line or whatever>" is all I need. That'd be great. CSV is good too, I'm not particular about the delimiter.

So including week 1, the top 50 now looks like:
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1114        68.5388
2056        53.7198
987        51.0249
233        50.3309
330        48.6782
39        44.2954
103        43.4295
1731        42.7127
1124        42.087
67        42.0777
525        41.482
175        40.3134
25        40.2684
217        40.0997
1024        39.8043
1718        38.6849
1086        37.4098
191        37.0664
20        36.9179
40        36.6407
1251        36.1213
368        35.623
121        35.5714
1625        35.182
968        35.1251
494        35.0843
1218        35.0123
1574        34.6153
383        34.1952
141        34.1791
1126        33.9523
79        33.8184
469        33.2445
1717        32.6876
69        32.3057
254        32.2835
126        32.1564
33        32.0724
365        31.1953
1507        30.8839
47        30.8582
1156        30.7724
16        30.6096
1065        30.3857
836        30.1605
381        30.1114
93        29.8324
195        29.8271
1512        29.78


Greg Marra 30-03-2008 19:04

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The CSV is too big to attach. Find it here: http://www.thebluealliance.net/cdvid...30_matches.csv

Let me know if that works for you :)

Kyler 30-03-2008 23:15

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Okay I somewhat understand how this is all calculated but I am guessing that somebody has already made an excel file to calculate all this? I tried to download one from '06 but the link was broken so can somebody please upload a new one? Thanks.


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