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I would love to hear what the coaches do during the finals at atlanta. I know they couldn't broadcast it live but maybe record it and put out a sorta documentary latter. At glr, there must have been 3 or more woodie flowers winners out on the field.
So, a question to team coaches. Would wearing a mic cramp your style? Yes, of course it would but would it be overwhelming? What if you could hear yourself first then decide to turn in tape ? |
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That sounds really interesting... but if I were a coach.... I would be afraid of saying something on the field that I would never repeat in public... The thought of maybe being able to hear yourself first would be more relieving, but I feel that most coaches would be against the idea.
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As a driver I would like to personally rehear what my coach said to drive team. I think it would be funny because we would laugh or know the exact moment he said it. Though I do agree there are some heat of the moment things that the public wouldn't want to hear but I think it would be funny for the team to watch.
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Having both been a booth coach and been an engineer behind the booth in finals, I can certainly say that such audio would be entertaining, hilarious, and R rated.
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I don't think what goes down on the field is quite ready for a live feed. Some of the language from the participants can get quite salty. Also not everyone is so glowingly polite about their assessments of their opponents on the field as they are here (if only life came with an edit button). |
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It may change my style on the field being cautious of waht I say rather than paying attention to the field. |
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If just your team wants to hear what the coach is saying, it's easy to rig a mic up so that it records the match. In the past, I've made a loose necklace through my mp3 player, then draped it over my coach's neck. Turn on the voice recording function pre-match, then line the audio up with video taken of the match from someone else. You end up with your coach 'narrating' video of your match, and it is pretty cool.
Probably not ready for prime-time though. Things that get said on the field should probably stay on the field. |
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As a coach, i think it can be hillarious!
another thing you can do is broadcast one of the coaches simultaniously, like in the NBA games when they have a mic on one of the players or refs... ithink it can add a very entertaining aspect to the championship! |
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I am not sure but I think our student coach Katie has worn a wire a few times as part of the PBS Documentary. Maybe I will finally find out what goes on in the booth?:D
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I just worry that you'll be able to hear me over her microphone from 30+ feet away. If that is the case, PBS might need to show this after midnight. |
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Turn left! Leftleftleft! Now!
Not that much! Back to the right! Look out behind you! Grab that tetra -- not that one, that one! Backbackback! Argh! Drop the arm it's going over! No. NONONONO! Nooooooo! At least that's how I remember it when I coached in 2005. I think it's better if students coach. |
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Our team was the subject of a documentary in 1999, and I was mic'ed as a coach when we made a run to the final match on Einstein at Epcot. We had a robot called TKO that was very, very defensive. Some highlights:
a. Paired with team 122, during a qualification match: "holy cow... 45 seconds into the match and it's over!... we've got this one easy, boys, just sit there on the puck... way to go, 122, you guys are awe-some" (or something like that) b. After Friday's qualification matches, when we were seeded #8, Raul (Olivera, from 111) talked to me after our last match: "Raul, in a raspy voice: Andy, you guys need to pick us." "me: that would be great... but why do you say that?" "Raul: If you don't pick us, we will beat you, and here is how...(proceeding to tell me the strategy that will defeat us)" c. Quarter-final match 1, against 157 and 131: "don't let them on the puck... push them off... aaaaaagh... get back up! get back up! now, knock them off... that's it! ... keep pushing... aaaaaaah... they're off!! woooooaaaah!" (or something like that) The only part that made the documentary was c. I tried to find the video for b, but to no avail. It would be classic. I would recommend recording what the coach says. And, yes... a good coach can keep the discussion lively and still PG-rated. Andy B. |
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I think in 2004 when tech tv did the thing on the champions they had to beeps several words out.
I think it would be cool to listen what I said in some of the match this year probably not to nice. one time this year our drive went to pick a red ball and we were blue. that was bad. |
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I would love to hear what other coaches say during matches. My experience has been that I'm one of the most vocal coaches around, though I don't think that I scream or am very emphatic about things. I move around a lot and talk to all three teams, though, which seems pretty unusual.
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I am planning on Mic-ing myself while in Atlanta. I'm also going to try and get interviews immediately following matches and throughout the day. It's something that FIRSTcast has up our sleeves for Championships.
I'd also be willing to let other people borrow my setup and record themselves or get a small interview in. |
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"whatever happens on the field, stays on the field"
my definition of GP is "you compete like crazy ON THE FIELD, but respect the other teams OFF THE FIELD" just liek some teams help their oponants during time outs other teams disrespect their oponiants on the field, which frankly, im fine with. |
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Those planning on recording their alliance zone conversations should get permission from the event directors first. There are rules against communication devices, and it should be made clear that this is recording, not transmitting to someone else. Also, radio communication is prohibited so as to not interfere with the field controls. You would either need to get the radio channel cleared by the technical folks, or use a self-contained recorder.
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Disrespect isn't anything I would like to see promoted or accepted anywhere in FIRST or in FIRST teams, on the field or off. |
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After following me (and the rest of the team) for Friday and half of Saturday with their cameras and microphones, they finally hooked me up to a wireless mic for alliance selections and elimination rounds. I think they took it off of me just before the finals, which they probably regretted since we were pretty energetic through the finals. I have to say, the mic didn't bother me; I barely noticed it. I acted like I always do while coaching. I'm sure a few silly things probably ended up on there... like our conversation before a match about if the mic was recording all the time or not. It would be interesting to listen to a tape of all the funny stuff that happened that day, and the energy as the day progressed. |
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That I can understand: "That %(&#% just tipped us!" While they'd never call the team a name to their face, it wouldn't be unexpected that it might slip out. This might be a good reason for not publicizing alliance zone conversations. |
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One of the many things that popped into my head (along with the one Gary posted) "Leave them alone, they can't do &%@$." I would never say this to anyone (even on my own team) off the playing field, but I can imagine myself saying it to my drivers or other drivers while coaching if they were playing defense on a robot that was not the top priority. If I tried to think of a way to say this in GP terms the match might be over by the time I said another word. |
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I think this would be a great idea. If it can't be taped then it should be left unsaid. Vulgarities have no place in FIRST. It doesn't matter the situation. I don't care if you lost in the last second. I don't care if your robot just broke in half. It doesn't matter. There is still no reason to curse. It is just unnecessary and outright rude.
With that being said, I think it would be interesting to hear what the opposing alliance was saying throughout the match. |
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I was mic'd in CT.
I totally forgot about it until I was back in the pits. So no, it did not "cramp my style". |
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as i said before, "what happens on the field, should STAY on the field" |
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It would be good but i mean this is a student event and who knows what the coach will say at any given time
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That would be amazingly cool, even though it may be construed as against the rules. One of the rules is that you can't have any communications devices on.
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I just realized I never posted my opinion on wearing a mic as a coach. I coached the majority of our matches this year, and I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything I wouldn't have wanted anyone in the arena to hear.
Having said that, I would be against putting live mics on coaches during matches. I don't think this would add anything to the coverage. The mics used in television sports coverages are typically used in recap segments, I have never seen them used live. The reason for this is much of a coaches banter in any sport is not particularly exciting to the average spectator. I would have no problem wearing a mic during the match, and I am actually putting this on my list of ideas for next year right below a fixed upper deck camera for our matches. I think it would be helpful addition to reviews of our matches and the strategies employed and their effectiveness. |
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That being said, last year we were subject to a team that was explicitly told by their coach to ram us as hard as they could and push us over the side wall. It happens. Even though their drivers came up and apologized after the fact, it was still a rough move. Things will happen in the heat of the match. I've heard drivers yelling at their coaches (when it's supposed to be the other way around), coaches from other teams yelling degradingly at their partners, you name it. While I think it would be interesting for more people to be exposed to the high-stress environment behind the glass, I don't think the majority of FIRSTers (think of the parents and such) would benefit from it. |
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this is exactly the reason why there shouldn't be mic's on coaches in my opinion. |
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At Wisconsin this year, some UWM Journalism students did a piece on 1675 and first. They mic our drive team for one of the quarter final matches. I think it turned out well.
here is a link. http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/JMC/showcase...n/pvclip3.html |
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Im my teams driver and i would love to wear a mic (although some things i end up saying would be R-rated)
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This would rock. At least once this year I was literally yelling to our operator to pull our grabber in (for fear of entangling with another robot), when there wasn't a robot there. I was seeing the reflection of a robot off the center divider. The operator had a better view, knew there wasn't any danger, and thought I was loosing it. There was a moment hesitation when he said something back to me just as I realized what was going on. I don't remember the exact expletive I used at that moment, but if it were captured, I'm pretty sure it would have to be edited at the end of the year. It wasn't directed at anybody or anything except my own ignorance! :o
We shoot video of the matches from the stands and I'm sure we could sink up what people in the stands saw with what I was telling the drive team to do. It would make for a bit of a humorous year-end video for those that knew the background. I also agree with Andy, even in the heat of the battle a good coach can keep the excitement going, but still maintain control. If the coaches are 'loosing it' on the field then it sets a very bad example for the students and other teams. I don't think having a mic on me would change my coaching style, but it might make me a little more verbally artistic! :) |
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I always sing the Rocky theme to my driver. But sometimes I make beach sounds, it depends on how tense the situation.
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As a coach, I would be OK recording my comments but I wouldn't want a live feed. While I can only remember using an expletive once while coaching (that was in 2004 at Pittsbrugh, when two robots fell from the bar at basically the same time, with us still hanging but taking both of them atop our robot as they fell: "Oh #@$%!") it is one comment I wouldn't want broadcast to the world. But hearing myself coaching would probably make me better at coaching. I know that listening to recordings of lectures I have given and discussions I have lead has made me better at both.
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No one ever said if this happened it would have to be truely live.
Anyone hear of a 10 second delay for editing purposes in a clinch? "Colorful": language is just a byproduct of being in the players' station at times. Actually it's a byproduct of being invovled in the Pit Area as well... Or.. moreso.. being involved in the whole stessful build season as well... Or... during queing... Let's face it, off beat language is just one of the few "bad" byproducts of the overall picture within this competition based environment we have in FIRST - but there are plenty of good byproducts to outweigh these bad ones. It happens, and while when that colorful language is used in excess it could put a damper on the overall feel of the event, it's bound to happen, and you just have to accept it and roll with it. There is one mindset of thinking that states that the reason swearing or other colorful language is so taboo is that people make a big deal over it. I tend to agree with that. If it wasn't made such a big deal, no one would notice it. Same with regional music. If a swear word is used in a song, most people wouldn't even regard it unless someone made a big fuss over it, and intentially brought it up and then it would be known & the music then targeted as "evil". lol Same with this recording of players' stations. I would personally want to hear the recording uncut & raw, but would also have the option to have an edited version for people who know they would get offended at the stress driven language. Also, if I heard a person who I thought was a great coach in FIRST using some off language in the players' station, I wouldn't blacklist them from working with them because everyone has their own style, and if it works for them, then so be it. |
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WARNING: This is a drawn out personal opinion that is a tangent to the current thread. If you do not want to take a detour from the topic of this thread, do not read.
In my opinion, we shouldn't have coaches on the field. At least not as they are now. We should have a student there with the task of inter-team discussions. Having coaches out on the field, just takes away a job from the students. Also, whenever I hear someone cursing, it suggests to me that that person is not that inteligent. I am not saying that that is always the case. It just gives others a negative view of you. Avoid it, and you have nothing to worry about. Also, if you tell your driver wreak another bot, then you don't belong in FIRST. I am not saying that you can't build robots and have fun. Just join BattleBots instead. Also, if other teams continually damage your bot every year, it might have to do with your design style. Try building a more sturdy bot. |
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Yeah I would like to hear what our coach was yelling at us (I was a driver) in a relaxed environment to actually to understand. When your in the heat of the moment you don't always hear everything that is being said expecially when the crowd is very very loud.
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