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Lil' Lavery 12-04-2008 14:19

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Originally Posted by mark johnson (Post 735409)
The team on Einstein will be a combination of two out of this group 27 ,71 ,987 ,1024 ,1124 depending on where they fall in the rankings. and who has first pick. There also going to have a good third partner that can hurdle like 85,93,177,365,525,1504,1902, or play great defense like team 66.201,or 2604.

There is absolutely no way that 365 will be around during the 2nd round of selection. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
3-5 Hurdles + ability to place + 3 line, 2 ball hybrid = 1st round selection

thefro526 12-04-2008 14:30

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I'm with everyone that thinks we'll see three hurdler alliances. We're gonna see some alliances with hurdlers that shoot pick a decent hurdler that places reliably and that can run laps. I personally think though that should we be in a picking position, we've been there twice this year, We'll pick someone with a good auto/hybrid just because if you can gain a lead over a better alliance in hybrid you may just be able to hold them off. I know we won one match in Philly after our alliance got like 9 lines in hybrid and a ball down, it gave us enough of a lead where the other alliance couldn't catch us.

MikeT 12-04-2008 14:30

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Yup that's for sure! From what i've seen from the regionals the first round picks will consist of: 27, 71, 93, 365, 987, 1024, 1124... Let me know if i left out any of the big boys. These guys are the strongest hurdlers from their showings at the regionals this year. The 2nd round picks will be the remaining of the hurdlers left. I think that when it comes down to it, placing for the bonus is still going to be a factor. So having that 3rd hurdler will help if the other 2 are only shooters.

It's going to be really hard to compete in an alliance with just 2 hurdlers... unless they were 2 extremely strong hurdlers with a good hybrid bot. This may end up working in Galileo if 1114, 217, and 148 were alligned together. What do you guys think?

The Lucas 12-04-2008 14:36

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Originally Posted by Qbranch (Post 735146)
Hopefully, not hot enough to catch fire. :rolleyes:

<public service announcment>
And guys... don't make random posts (as much fun ast it is to cheer, I know...) just to bump this thread's post count up.

It's non-CD-like, it's non GP, and particulatly un-patriotic. ;)

Let's win fair, square, and strong. It's not hard to do.
</public service announcement>

Also, I know there was a thread about where people are staying in Atlanta... but I'd rather not look through it and sort out which teams are in our division and not.

We're staying in the Wyndham.

-q

I was leaving town and I felt the need to quickly wake up the thread with a cheer, but in general save the cheering for next week!

I'm not staying at the Wyndham, but I'm looking forward to those great Embassy Suites breakfasts along side our division mates, the UberBots.

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Originally Posted by SamSofa330 (Post 735205)
It only grabs data from TheBlueAlliance. I'm not sure how they handle matches where scores were not entered (noted by ? on TBA's website).

Philly Finals match 1 is listed 0-0 when the actual score was 124-82 Red Alliance. There is alway a couple odd discrepancies on FIRST's match results every year, it just happens.

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Originally Posted by Uberbots (Post 735371)
We have some of our better matches posted on our website:
http://uberbots.org/2008/media.php?m=705&locate=705

"pfft whateva"? That was the general reaction we got on the first day of the regional (=

When I first saw 1124 in a fill-in practice match of Da Cutt, I was like who is "magic carpet bot"?:D After I saw them run I was like, that must be Uberbots.

Is there video of 1124 them getting 2 ball knocks in hybrid of a match? I am interested to see who can (I've only seen 987 and us do it so far).

Does anyone know where I can find 1024 Buckeye vids? I only saw part of the webcast.


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Originally Posted by Tonya Scott 476 (Post 735234)
Has anyone collected data on how many Regional Champs, Chairmans' etc are coming to our field?

Total regional championships from a modified Lavery Excel Sheet

Code:

Archimedes        22
Curie        24
Galileo        36
Newton        33

We don't have as many wins as other divisions, but I think we do have the quality bots it takes to win it all. When 686 dropped, it shifted 1114 out of Archimedes, but it shifted 987, 1024 and 1124 into the division, which is a good trade in my book

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Originally Posted by Tonya Scott 476 (Post 735382)
What other bots in our division have good hybrid strategy?

Do we have any bots that catapult/shoot/sling the balls as a projectile?

How many are "rabbits"?

How many are ball handlers with a claw or grabber?

Our primary Hybrid routine is designed to knock 2 balls in any target locations and get 3-4 lines (depending on ball locations). Video of this routine is at TBA semi final 2-2 at Philly. It is lane-based so the robocoach doesn't drive the robot, just tells it which balls to knock down. We also have routines to target the only the near of far balls so our partner can knock off the other ball. We look forward to working with the other great hybrid robots in this division.

Our robot is an arm shooter hybrid with a roller claw. To hurdle we raise the ball to about the height of the overpass, then use the roller, surgical tubing and pneumatics to shoot it over.

Dan Richardson 12-04-2008 15:06

Re: Archi-medes!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qbranch (Post 735146)
Hopefully, not hot enough to catch fire. :rolleyes:

<public service announcment>
And guys... don't make random posts (as much fun ast it is to cheer, I know...) just to bump this thread's post count up.

It's non-CD-like, it's non GP, and particulatly un-patriotic. ;)

Let's win fair, square, and strong. It's not hard to do.
</public service announcement>


-q

But isn't post count all that matters? :-(

xcentrix 12-04-2008 15:24

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Originally Posted by Lavapicker (Post 734573)
speaking of the Hula....during the Innagural Hawaii regional this year we had an unbelievable free Luau Friday night with lomi lomi salmon, Kalua pig, and Poi. Many teams, including 25 from Jersey, were called up on stage to do the Hula.

Hmm...you weren't referring to the wonderful Hula by the professionals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqmV9r7Uvdo, then I thought maybe you meant this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E11EuEe3zeY....

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I'm sure there are blackmail photo's out there somewhere!
.... Oh, no, you meant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtqtYNfEiDo :yikes:

Qbranch 12-04-2008 16:13

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Well, first off, sorry if the public service announcement sounded too sam eagle like. :o

On the whole autonomous thing, for your convinience here's some video of our robot running in lap-mode:

>In competition: one, two, and three.

>In pre-season test: video

>After a recent fix-it (with competition bot gearing and no lane changes, this can make seven lines): video (turn your volume up and you can hear the motors... sounds great!), video with people playing mean and shoving the robot around.

In the last two videos there, if you look you can see the claw opening and closing on it's own. This is because the practice robot has no knock-off bar like the competition robot does. To illustrate when the knockoff bar would be up and down, we opened/closed the claw. Also, once we get our robocoach board installed on the competition robot we have the ability to lane-change in order to knock off the ball regardless of which lane it's in. Of course, lane-changing adds distance to your run, so going for a lane three ball from lane one will cost you a line or two so you get about 5 lines and 2 balls instead of six to seven and two if you're on the inside track the whole way round.

After we overhaul the drivetrain thursday morning (it has over 75,000ft on it :yikes: ) we should be all up and ready to go.

AR-CHE-ME-DES! :D

-q

adman 12-04-2008 16:16

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=Archimedes 22
Curie 24
Galileo 36
Newton 33

We don't have as many wins as other divisions, but I think we do have the quality bots it takes to win it all. When 686 dropped, it shifted 1114 out of Archimedes, but it shifted 987, 1024 and 1124 into the division, which is a good trade in my book

.
I have been an offical engineer for 35 years. I have seen systems that
were a pile of junk and ran everyday. Seen the ones that are super
sophisticated that choked as soon as someone turned a light switch on.
The difference was "who" was running the machine and taking care of it.

Archimedes has Heart. It can make miracles happen. If you believe in your
division, your team and yourself anything can happen. I would rather be
the underdog anyday. It makes you work hard, adapt and overcome.

Previous wins don't make a great Alliance, Heart does and from the Posts that I have
seen we have plenty of it.

Uberbots 12-04-2008 16:45

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Originally Posted by lilstogi11 (Post 735464)
Also, just some constructive crit: I think that 1124's driver's need some more practice in terms of being faster with those hurdles and driving around a lot quicker. The hurdling itself is fast; however, in the matches I watched, they seemed to be taking it easy while driving and I think that'll make a huge difference on their performance when (not if) they get on Einstein.

That was kinda the point... we've run trials in our practice field, placing 3 other robots on the field all playing defense, and (autonomous included) we've been able to max out at 112(4) points, and min out at 50-ish (discarding outliers/broken robot trials). trust me, though, we've still been drilling them with practice hours, strategies, avoidance maneuvers, etc.

our robot's autonomous was also working badly at the CT regional for some strange reason... we have it all fixed up for the nationals. In theory, 5 lines 2 balls no matter what the ball position/starting position is. Its pretty sweet.

Uberbots 12-04-2008 16:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adman (Post 735521)
I have been an offical engineer for 35 years. I have seen systems that
were a pile of junk and ran everyday. Seen the ones that are super
sophisticated that choked as soon as someone turned a light switch on.
The difference was "who" was running the machine and taking care of it.

Archimedes has Heart. It can make miracles happen. If you believe in your
division, your team and yourself anything can happen. I would rather be
the underdog anyday. It makes you work hard, adapt and overcome.

Previous wins don't make a great Alliance, Heart does and from the Posts that I have
seen we have plenty of it.

very, very, very well said.
We do have heart, and we do have some absolutely incredible teams, people, and spirit on this division. We (as a division) have the potential to produce the Einstein-winning alliance.

ARCHI

adman 12-04-2008 16:58

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thefro526 12-04-2008 17:13

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So who's got the best hybrid in Archimedes? We can knock down one ball and get 3-4 lines. Our ball knock off works if the ball is in front of us at the beginning about 90% of the time and we get 3 lines if we are not impeded but usually we're impeded at the turn for the 4th line.

Uberbots 12-04-2008 17:25

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Originally Posted by thefro526 (Post 735540)
So who's got the best hybrid in Archimedes? We can knock down one ball and get 3-4 lines. Our ball knock off works if the ball is in front of us at the beginning about 90% of the time and we get 3 lines if we are not impeded but usually we're impeded at the turn for the 4th line.

We have been able to get (in our practice field running our new software) the first ball 100% of the time, the second ball about 80-90% of the time, and five lines unless impeded (6 lines in the best case scenario: both balls are closest to the divider at the beginning)

ttldomination 12-04-2008 18:49

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Originally Posted by thefro526 (Post 735540)
So who's got the best hybrid in Archimedes? We can knock down one ball and get 3-4 lines. Our ball knock off works if the ball is in front of us at the beginning about 90% of the time and we get 3 lines if we are not impeded but usually we're impeded at the turn for the 4th line.

What happens if the opposing team's ball is in front of you???

Team 1261 is working on hybrid but i'm not sure what we plan to do...

thefro526 12-04-2008 20:50

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Originally Posted by ttldomination (Post 735574)
What happens if the opposing team's ball is in front of you???

Team 1261 is working on hybrid but i'm not sure what we plan to do...

Our elevator only goes up to knock the ball down if the robocoach gives it the go up signal, if there is no signal then no ball knock off. The only times we missed in Philly were when the signal didn't get to the 'bot in time which is because there's about a .25 second window of error because in the time it takes the robot to move the 27 feet to the overpass ~2 seconds or so is the same time it takes to process the signal from the robocoach and move the elevator up


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