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Andy Grady 10-04-2008 23:17
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cziggy343 (Post 734655)
remember... it was "over" last year when the divisions were out... everyone said that Curie was gonna take it w/ 1114 and 330, that never happend. im not saying Galileo wont win, but i wouldnt be guarenteeing it;)
Bingo!

I mean, you have to agree that 1114 is definately a big favorite going into this thing, but even they would have to shudder a little bit if they were looking across the field at a combination of 71 and 365 or 1124, or maybe a 175 and 39 or 233...and heck, in order to do that, they have to make it out of one of the most stacked divisions in championship history. I would think that teams such as 103, 121, 40, and 254, only to name a few, would have alot to say about what goes on in the eliminations in just the division alone. There are quite a few interesting combinations out there which could make for the most exciting Einstien playoffs in recent memory. Anything can and will happen in Atlanta...thats why they play the games my friends. Either way, Galileo will be alot of fun to watch.

Guy Davidson 10-04-2008 23:19
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Andy, I agree with you. While 1114 has to be the favorite, I wouldn't bet on them, or anyone. Simply too much can happen with the match shcedules and alliance selections.

The eliminations in each division will be great, but I have a feeling that due to the massive firepower and talent present in Gali, we will have the most exciting tourney.

waialua359 10-04-2008 23:33
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Galileo vs Newton in the finals! Now, lets debate who has the better chance of winning.:D

EricH 10-04-2008 23:52
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 734704)
Andy, I agree with you. While 1114 has to be the favorite, I wouldn't bet on them, or anyone. Simply too much can happen with the match shcedules and alliance selections.
I agree. Last year, if you guys remember, 1114 and 330 were the two highest-ranked robots in FIRST by the CD community. Both were in Curie. 1114 lost one match, which dropped them down quite a bit in rankings on the field. 330 was second. A lot of people were afraid of what would happen if they got together. The first seed dealt with that situation--1114 declined, as did 330. #1 seed proceeded to beat 1114 in the semis. 330 then beat the #1 alliance and went to Einstein.

Oh, and in the one match that 1114, 330, and the eventual #1 seed were together--they had a battle of it.

Anything can happen.

Jeff K. 11-04-2008 00:03
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Galileo is quite possibly the most stacked division ever.
It is our first time in Galileo and we are definitely excited.

Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 734712)
Galileo vs Newton in the finals! Now, lets debate who has the better chance of winning.:D
GALI...
:D

Brad Voracek 11-04-2008 00:07
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff K. (Post 734738)
GALI...
...LEO!

AustinDpOwers89 11-04-2008 03:22
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Hey, don't count out 2046... dang Galileo is STACKED... i'm just hoping we get picked for elims on the 2nd round... it'd be nice to end up on the 1st or 2nd ranked alliance ;) but yeah, i doubt they're be a dull moment in this division.

Paul Copioli 11-04-2008 07:21
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
This is definitely the most competitive division I remember being a part of since I started in 2000 (although there were no divisions in 2000, but I digress).

History is not on our side in Galileo for a couple of reasons:

1. The winning alliance from Galileo has NEVER won the Championship.

2. Stacked divisions usually beat the heck out of each other leaving a cluster of uncertainty in the top 8. 2005 Archimedes, 2006 Newton (I think .. wherever 25, 111, 254, 968, etc. came from), and 2007 Curie are the examples that pop to my head. The "weaker" divisions with a couple dominant teams usually have a better chance on Einstein.

With that said, I think there are just too many darn good teams in Galileo that two great teams will be paired together and the second round selection will be out of this world!

I also think defense will play a more prominent role and separate the contenders from the pretenders. I will also predict that there will be at least one 2 regional winner that is not going to be in the Galileo Finals, maybe more because that is how stacked this division is.

I, personally, am very excited for this year's Championship and can't wait to see everyone starting next Wednesday.

-Paul

cziggy343 11-04-2008 08:07
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
this is definently the most stacked division i have ever seen (even though i started in 2000 also, before divisions). we were on Curie last year, and i still dont think 07 Curie was more stacked than 08 Gali!

fasten your seatbelts ladies and gentlemen... this is gonna be a fun ride:cool:

65_Xero_Huskie 11-04-2008 08:48
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
This is just me but.....
I want to go out on a limb and say that 217 AND 1114 will be lower than 2nd seed.
Which means that depending on what 1st and 2nd seed are/and what they do.
It will be in for some intense matches :)

cziggy343 11-04-2008 08:50
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie (Post 734821)
This is just me but.....
I want to go out on a limb and say that 217 AND 1114 will be lower than 2nd seed.
Which means that depending on what 1st and 2nd seed are/and what they do.
It will be in for some intense matches :)
i would agree with that completly:D and i really dont think its too far out on a limb either

ttldomination 11-04-2008 08:54
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie (Post 734821)
This is just me but.....
I want to go out on a limb and say that 217 AND 1114 will be lower than 2nd seed.
Which means that depending on what 1st and 2nd seed are/and what they do.
It will be in for some intense matches :)
Hey, but a brother can dream...:D

But I agree Galileo is too stacked for its own good.

Paul Copioli 11-04-2008 09:08
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Wow that is really going out on a limb seeing as we have never seeded higher than #2 at any event. We have only seeded #2 one time and never higher than #8 at the Championships ....

Way to go out on a limb Huskie!

petek 11-04-2008 09:26
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
With the number of robots that could potentially carry their qualifying alliances here, and just seven matches per team, I predict that the top seeds in Galileo will be determined by ranking scores.

How well the hurdlers can handle the defense (or how the refs call it...) will be the deciding factor in eliminations, and I'll be surprised if 84 doesn't get picked early in the second round to counter the likes of 1114, etc..

nuggetsyl 11-04-2008 09:31
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
In this division there are 14 teams that could easily seed 1 or 2. Looking at the this field, I still think the 5 and 6 seeded teams have the biggest advantage.

Barry Bonzack 11-04-2008 09:33
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Turns out all three of my teams are going to be in Atlanta this year (as well as my FTC team)

2165 from Bartlesville Oklahoma will be in Galileo, as will 1390 from Saint Cloud Florida. 1902 is being difficult and went over to Archimedes.

Also, go FLL 2927, the Saint Cloud Stomcats!

Gali-

cziggy343 11-04-2008 09:35
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetsyl (Post 734842)
In this division there are 14 teams that could easily seed 1 or 2. Looking at the this field, I still think the 5 and 6 seeded teams have the biggest advantage.
i might even go as far as to say that if one of the "better" teams drop down to 7 or 8 that they have an advantage. good scouting will make or break for the top 8. if they can get good scouting, they have a chance.

JaneYoung 11-04-2008 09:36
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Bonzack (Post 734844)
1902 is being difficult and went over the Archimedes.
They're pigs, Barry, pigs. And they can fly...

brentmcjunkin 11-04-2008 09:36
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
this is the most STACKED divisionin the nationals

jasper.s.jacobs 11-04-2008 09:44
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
everyone not in Galileo should consider themselves very lucky

cziggy343 11-04-2008 09:47
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasper.s.jacobs (Post 734854)
everyone not in Galileo should consider themselves very lucky
or unlucky that they dont get to see all the great action!:cool:


...LEO

brentmcjunkin 11-04-2008 09:48
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
I will agree with both of you

Brandon Holley 11-04-2008 09:53
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Watching the qualifications of galileo is going to be one of the best fridays of my FIRST career....i am looking very forward to it.

brentmcjunkin 11-04-2008 09:55
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
This is gonna be intence to watch our robot in gali. Gali Robots are gonna be the hardest worked robots just because they have to keep up with the compition

Racer26 11-04-2008 10:52
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
IF (and its a reasonably big if) 1114, 217, 254, 330, and probably a few more end up out of the #1 position, it could make things awful interesting with forced declining (less good team forces all the best teams to decline them, thereby preventing the best teams from being together)...

cziggy343 11-04-2008 10:56
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 734888)
IF (and its a reasonably big if) 1114, 217, 254, 330, and probably a few more end up out of the #1 position, it could make things awful interesting with forced declining (less good team forces all the best teams to decline them, thereby preventing the best teams from being together)...
thats why i dont predict whos gonna pair up in the end:D

it happend last year on Curie, 1732 was number one seed and crashed the 330/1114 express...

Guy Davidson 11-04-2008 13:03
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 734788)
2. Stacked divisions usually beat the heck out of each other leaving a cluster of uncertainty in the top 8. 2005 Archimedes, 2006 Newton (I think .. wherever 25, 111, 254, 968, etc. came from), and 2007 Curie are the examples that pop to my head. The "weaker" divisions with a couple dominant teams usually have a better chance on Einstein.

With that said, I think there are just too many darn good teams in Galileo that two great teams will be paired together and the second round selection will be out of this world!

I also think defense will play a more prominent role and separate the contenders from the pretenders. I will also predict that there will be at least one 2 regional winner that is not going to be in the Galileo Finals, maybe more because that is how stacked this division is.

I, personally, am very excited for this year's Championship and can't wait to see everyone starting next Wednesday.

-Paul
I agree on all counts. With a division this deep, scouting and second round picking could be what really separates the the eventual winning alliance from the rest, as there are certainly enough capble teams to fill all alliances. We hope to bring some quality defense to his division, and can't wait to see what everyone else have hidden up their sleeves for this one. This is going to be epic.

GaryVoshol 11-04-2008 13:45
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 734788)
Stacked divisions usually beat the heck out of each other leaving a cluster of uncertainty in the top 8.
I agree with that, but will expand on it. Galileo looks so stacked that, even after they're done mauling each other, some great alliances will be formed. They'll beat on each other again through elims. And then maybe the winning but wounded alliance will go down in flames on Einstein. But this group might just be so stacked that, despite the abuse of surviving the Gal elims, the alliance goes on to take it all.

Quote:
I, personally, am very excited for this year's Championship and can't wait to see everyone starting next Wednesday.

-Paul
That I agree with completely.

SWAT1806 11-04-2008 14:32
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
1114, 217

I'm scareddddddddd!

cziggy343 11-04-2008 14:38
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SWAT1806 (Post 734980)
1114, 217

I'm scareddddddddd!
and 25, 148, 121, 40, 234, 254, 384, 469, 494, 1717...

now you should be really scared;)

65_Xero_Huskie 11-04-2008 14:56
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 734833)
Wow that is really going out on a limb seeing as we have never seeded higher than #2 at any event. We have only seeded #2 one time and never higher than #8 at the Championships ....

Way to go out on a limb Huskie!
Heh. Paul, u sneaky devil you.
Showin me up. :P
Its ok, im pretty sure you will be in the finals.
This field is to deep to guarantee that ANYONE will be in the top 2.
Its also so deep that i cant guarantee anyone will NOT be in the top 2 :P
So..maybe i should just wait and see?
:)

David Brinza 11-04-2008 15:06
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 734788)
I will also predict that there will be at least one 2 regional winner that is not going to be in the Galileo Finals, maybe more because that is how stacked this division is.

I, personally, am very excited for this year's Championship and can't wait to see everyone starting next Wednesday.

-Paul
I agree that the struggle to win this division will take a heavy toll on the teams moving onto Einstein. Given that there are 5 two regional winners and a three regional winner in Galileo, I think it's a pretty safe bet that at least one of those teams won't be in the matches for the robot parade to Einstein. Play cards, Paul?;)

I'm really excited about Galileo too. Although I'm a little disappointed that I won't see much of Team 16 in Atlanta (my youngest son is their robot driver and is having one heck of a good year behind the wheel). Maybe they'll find their way to Einstein coming out of Curie.

Martinez 11-04-2008 15:10
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Man this is going to be awsome...
Even though I'll be stuck at work, I'll be glued to my NASA TV.
(Here's hoping next year LM gives me a per diem).
:D

GO CHUCK

A_Reed 11-04-2008 15:29
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinez (Post 735011)
Man this is going to be awsome...
Even though I'll be stuck at work, I'll be glued to my NASA TV.
effin-a man, I am in the same boat kinda(college). I will be on gameday, periodically watching the Galileo webcast, receiving updates on my team from TBA text messages?(not sure if plan covers it?) and then switching over to NASA TV to watch what should be some awesome matches on Einstein and the closing ceremonies, All the while my nose will be pressed to the pages of a calculus book.

It'll be an interesting weekend watching so many juggernauts graciously and professionally beat the living daylights out of each other in an awe inspiring and fun manner. Galileo really is unpredictable with so many great teams and besides what I'm supposed to be looking at, my eyes will be glued to the gentle glow of my computer monitor.

Good luck to all teams attending and Go Galileo!

-Adam Reed [48]

cziggy343 11-04-2008 18:40
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
who are definsive robots? im making a list... so far:

8 and 84

EricH 11-04-2008 18:42
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cziggy343 (Post 735124)
who are definsive robots? im making a list... so far:

8 and 84
980. Lap/defense.

les chortos 11-04-2008 18:57
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
my prediction- there will not be a lapbot on Einstein this year

SSMike 11-04-2008 19:05
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by les chortos (Post 735138)
my prediction- there will not be a lapbot on Einstein this year
No but there could be a robot that whose primary strength is not hurlding (i.e. 980 a defensive robot). However, I can see an alliance captain select a lap bot to complete an alliance. Think about it, there are only 2 balls per alliance, so if an alliance is already made up of two superb hurdlers, a lap bot may be useful for defense and lapping.

65_Xero_Huskie 11-04-2008 19:22
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by les chortos (Post 735138)
my prediction- there will not be a lapbot on Einstein this year
I bet you there will be ;)
3 shooters is a good combo, however...
When the field gets deep like this, your going to HAVE to play defense if you want to win against 4 Amazing shooters.

Tottanka 11-04-2008 19:25
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie (Post 735151)
I bet you there will be ;)
3 shooters is a good combo, however...
When the field gets deep like this, your going to HAVE to play defense if you want to win against 4 Amazing shooters.
yea, it is going to be hard paying against 4 shooters...

cziggy343 11-04-2008 19:29
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
yeah... im gonna bank on there being a few defensive robots out there in the elims... otherwise... your alliance will need to completly outscore a team like 1114, and that is a tall order... if you have a defender... then you can at least slow down thier teammate and make it two on one... unless they have a defender riding up your butt;)

Coach Norm 11-04-2008 19:40
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Our team sees it this way: only two balls for an alliance. Three shooters have to share the balls.
The lap bot can move the ball around to help the shooters and interfere with the other teams shooters.
If the lap bot has autonomous with the ability to make a lap and knock off balls, that makes them a stong bot for an alliance. If this bot can knock off balls, then they can also knock off opposing teams balls at the end.
Of course, they should be able to stay out of the shooters way and not get penalties.

David Brinza 11-04-2008 19:50
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by les chortos (Post 735138)
my prediction- there will not be a lapbot on Einstein this year
You're probably right about a "pure lapbot".

Maybe a "utility-robot" with good hybrid mode, lapping, herding, and defensive tactics will figure in the Championship.

XaulZan11 11-04-2008 19:57
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Norm (Post 735160)
Our team sees it this way: only two balls for an alliance. Three shooters have to share the balls.
The lap bot can move the ball around to help the shooters and interfere with the other teams shooters.
If the lap bot has autonomous with the ability to make a lap and knock off balls, that makes them a stong bot for an alliance. If this bot can knock off balls, then they can also knock off opposing teams balls at the end.
Of course, they should be able to stay out of the shooters way and not get penalties.
I see what you are saying, but those good qualities that you mention a hurdler can have too. There are only a few number lap bots that are significantly faster than all other bots (ie 148, who can't knock down). So, by having a hurdling robot that can do just about everything a lap bot can do (good hybrid, knock off well, play defense, lap), they can also hurdle. I think that there will be 12 robots with hurdling capiblities on Einstein. While the 3rd may be doing laps, playing defense and knocking balls off, they are also a backup hurdler incase one team breaks. Also, if the alliances top or second best hurdler is getting a ton of defense, they can act as a decoy and allow the 3rd robot to handle the hurdling while they draw the defense away (although that strategy probably won't work for more than one match). Having three hurdles just gives the alliance more strategic options.

Guy Davidson 11-04-2008 19:58
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cziggy343 (Post 735124)
who are definsive robots? im making a list... so far:

8 and 84
From reading Travis Hoffman's posts about defense, I'd be willing to wager that 48 play some D as well. I guess any combination of 4's and 8's makes for some good defense :P (and 980)

les chortos 11-04-2008 20:00
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a good hurdler can double as a lapbot if need be - a lapbot will never hurdle. In an absolute pinch that 1 extra hurdle the "lapbot" might have to make could win the match. 6 laps- 1 hurdle. - whats the most laps a bot has run this year. do the math. If I was choosing I would pick that 1 machine that can easily and quickly pickup a ball and hurdle .and do laps if need be-and/or run counter defense.(I think at this point - a good hybrid is a gimme- in other words they all must be good)

SamC 11-04-2008 20:04
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Heres a few stats on the teams in the Galileo division. COlumns are sortable (JavaScript must be enabled, I believe)

David Brinza 11-04-2008 20:10
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamSofa330 (Post 735183)
Heres a few stats on the teams in the Galileo division.
For some reason, the numbers for 1114 stick out like a 6th grader in kindergarten...are we talking a super-offensive machine or what!!! They're on top of every category (except losses).

ParkerF 11-04-2008 20:23
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 735178)
There are only a few number lap bots that are significantly faster than all other bots (ie 148, who can't knock down).
Too bad the videos aren't available from Bayou for you to see. :rolleyes:

Galileo will be not only fun, but exciting, crazy, and just straight amazing. I'm very pleased to be in such a great division. I'm amazed by the strength that showed up here, and I just can't wait until Thursday. This being my rookie year at Atlanta, I don't think I could be more privileged. I hope to meet many of you at Championship. Just look for the short, blond 148 driver.

P.S.- Just noticed I was the 148th post. :D

MOE 11-04-2008 20:53
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 735179)
From reading Travis Hoffman's posts about defense, I'd be willing to wager that 48 play some D as well. I guess any combination of 4's and 8's makes for some good defense :P (and 980)
Hellooooo from the NORTH EAST :D
I like the 8's thing, Seeeee Yaaaaa Sooooon
Good luck to all of the FIRST TEAMS
especially the teams in GALILEO what a HOOT this div. will be!!!!
oh yeah ???? OH YEAH !!!! :yikes:
MOE and TEAM 88

Paul Copioli 11-04-2008 21:28
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Um, 148 can knock off the balls. They added that feature at Bayou.

cziggy343 11-04-2008 21:30
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 735221)
Um, 148 can knock off the balls. They added that feature at Bayou.
yeah... i saw that thread... scary...

AustinDpOwers89 11-04-2008 21:33
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
really i'm thinking a 3 good hurdler/shooter alliance would be an ultimate alliance if they can effectively cooperate and share the 2 track balls. think of the robot without the ball on the otherside of the overpass and the 1st robot hurdles and passes it off to the waiting robot who can grab it within seconds and go around the track. Then the 1st robot waits for the other trackball to be hurdled grabs it and so on. now applying the same idea to a 3 shooter alliance, if they could shoot "kiddy-corner" that would be epic. and with so many good hurdlers in this division i can see it happening.

Travis Hoffman 11-04-2008 23:57
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 735179)
From reading Travis Hoffman's posts about defense, I'd be willing to wager that 48 play some D as well.
That is one of but many options for us.

Our improvement in OPR at Buckeye was due to pure speed lapping. We put up 8-9 if focusing solely on that strategy. Our driver is adept at navigating through traffic with ease. I would presume other strategies may take precedence in Galileo. Depends on the situation.

We were considering switching to trackball defense in later elimination rounds had we advanced but never had the need or opportunity to play it.

We can knock reliably, repeatably, and backwards if needed, without penalty.

Our current hybrid can get 3 lines with no sensor feedback at 65% full speed setting; however, gyros are really useful devices, I've recently found. Driving straight in auton regardless of mechanical drivetrain bias is kinda a useful feature. Makes you want to take more liberties with the robot's speed in hybrid. ;)

And it's amazing what an RS-540 motor, some surgical tubing, (and some really ugly but solid welding) can do to refresh the usefulness of a mechanism....

Galileo should be a fun time! We're flexible enough to play any strategy with anyone at any time. I can't wait for the myriad combinations of great partners and opponents we will face. Good luck to all competitors!

AdamHeard 12-04-2008 00:03
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 735320)
That is one of but many options for us.

Our improvement in OPR at Buckeye was due to pure speed lapping. We could put up 8-9 if focusing solely on that strategy. Our driver is adept at navigating through traffic with ease. I would presume other strategies may take precedence in Galileo. Depends on the situation.

We were considering switching to trackball defense in later elimination rounds had we advanced but never had the need or opportunity to play it.

We can knock reliably, repeatably, and backwards if needed, without penalty.

Our current hybrid can get 3 lines with no sensor feedback at 65% full speed setting; however, gyros are really useful devices, I've recently found. Driving straight in auton regardless of mechanical drivetrain bias is kinda a useful feature. Makes you want to take more liberties with the robot's speed. ;)

And it's amazing what an RS-540 motor and some surgical tubing can do to refresh the usefulness of a mechanism....

Galileo should be a fun time! We're flexible enough to play any strategy with anyone at any time. I can't wait for the myriad combinations of great partners and opponents we will face. Good luck to all competitors!
what did you add the 540 to?

Travis Hoffman 12-04-2008 00:11
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 735324)
what did you add the 540 to?
The 540's connected to the......epoxied FP pinion. The FP pinion's connected to the....FP gearbox. The FP gearbox is connected to the ....:confused: something or other, which may or may not prove useful. Time will tell.

Fun times for us on Thursday, to be sure.

Guy Davidson 12-04-2008 00:28
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 735320)
Our improvement in OPR at Buckeye was due to pure speed lapping. We could put up 8-9 if focusing solely on that strategy. Our driver is adept at navigating through traffic with ease. I would presume other strategies may take precedence in Galileo. Depends on the situation.

Galileo should be a fun time! We're flexible enough to play any strategy with anyone at any time. I can't wait for the myriad combinations of great partners and opponents we will face. Good luck to all competitors!
We just never saw the value of pure lapping. In our mind, preventing a hurdler from hurdling twice is good for about 16 points, which is eight laps. That's more than a good tradeoff for us, especially if we can sometime take away a third hurdle.

We can do most of the stuff you listed too :P Our hybrid is still lacking thought. Something is messing up our code, making it good for one line so far, and no more. Hopefully we'll be able to figure something out before Atlanta.

Galileo should be a blast. We're sure to get to play with some amazing teams, some we've met before, and many we haven't. No one in our current group of students has competed east of Las Vegas, so this should definitely be a refreshing experience. We can't wait!

David Brinza 12-04-2008 00:42
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by francistexas (Post 735195)
Too bad the videos aren't available from Bayou for you to see. :rolleyes:
I put a few videos from the Bayou elims on YouTube. They're taken with a hand-held digital camera, zoomed out enough to see most of the field.

For what they're worth, here they are:

Bayou Regional: Finals Match 1 and Bayou Regional: Finals Match 2

I also posted a couple of other Bayou elim matches:

Semi-Final Match 1-1 and Semi-Final 1-2

I didn't have anything against the teams in the other Bayou Semi-Final matches, which were very entertaining. It's just that I have a genetic connection to the driver of Team 16 (#1 seeded alliance). My digital camera barely had enough memory for those four matches.:o

Chris Herold 12-04-2008 00:43
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Man, I missed the whole division announcement because I was on a trip to Boston...that's amazing to go galileo ^^ I am pretty glad about the division. Especially scouting will be a lot of fun now since there will be a lot of nice matches around. For me definitely the strongest division...Team 1983 - The Skunkworks will smell hard!

Travis Hoffman 12-04-2008 00:50
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 735333)
We just never saw the value of pure lapping. In our mind, preventing a hurdler from hurdling twice is good for about 16 points, which is eight laps. That's more than a good tradeoff for us, especially if we can sometime take away a third hurdle.
Agreed, regarding elims. But the lapping may come in handy during qualifying when allied with stronger-hurdling partners and you expect to win the match. Trying to maintain opponent's score and lapping for your alliance preserves RP's for you. You (and your offensively superior partners positioned to seed high) might benefit from the gesture.

Guy Davidson 12-04-2008 00:53
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 735341)
Agreed, regarding elims. But the lapping may come in handy during qualifying when allied with stronger-hurdling partners and you expect to win the match. Trying to maintain opponent's score and lapping for your alliance preserves RP's for you. You (and your offensively superior partners positioned to seed high) might appreciate the gesture.
I haven't thought of that. I guess that if you are absolutely sure you are going to win, you might as well forgo defense. However, if you end up losing a match you expected to win, you'd be rather unhappy if that happens.

Additionally, for most teams, the qualifications will be a showcase for how good you can be during eliminations. I expect that if you hope to make eliminations as a defensive bot, you might have to prove during qualifications you can play defense.

Coach Norm 12-04-2008 01:29
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 735178)
I see what you are saying, but those good qualities that you mention a hurdler can have too. There are only a few number lap bots that are significantly faster than all other bots (ie 148, who can't knock down). So, by having a hurdling robot that can do just about everything a lap bot can do (good hybrid, knock off well, play defense, lap), they can also hurdle. I think that there will be 12 robots with hurdling capiblities on Einstein. While the 3rd may be doing laps, playing defense and knocking balls off, they are also a backup hurdler incase one team breaks. Also, if the alliances top or second best hurdler is getting a ton of defense, they can act as a decoy and allow the 3rd robot to handle the hurdling while they draw the defense away (although that strategy probably won't work for more than one match). Having three hurdles just gives the alliance more strategic options.
Yes hurdlers can do all the things as well. Point well taken. I am looking forward to my first time at Championships especially since it is our Rookie year. I have much to learn I know. We are want to have a good showing just all others do as well.

DhavalP 12-04-2008 11:57
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
An alliance with two great hurdlers and a great herder who can also hurdle and place would be the best combo the herder/hurdler would fill in , in the case that one of the amazing hurdlers was tipped, disabled, or had mechanical failure.

mark johnson 12-04-2008 12:00
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Galileo , Einstien is yours to loose!!!!!!!! With the powerhouses of ,217,254,330,1114, depending on how they match up after alliance pickings will be hard to beat. Add a third partner from 8, 25, 40, 65,, 70 ,103, 121, 148 ,176, 195, 469, 494, 1503, 1717, will stand tall on Einstien.

Joe Ross 12-04-2008 12:20
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
I ran through 200 simulated qualifications (all 100 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's best opr for their contribution to a match.

I know 1114 is by far the best robot this year, but I wanted to see what their chances are of seeding first. They went undefeated in all but 20 trials, but only seeded first 73 times. Here are the statistics for all teams:

QPs:
Code:
Team        min        max        average        median        undefeated
1114        12        14        13.81        14        180
103        8        14        12.37        12        77
217        8        14        11.705        12        50
40        6        14        11.385        12        39
330        6        14        11.545        12        49
254        2        14        10.83        10.5        31
494        4        14        10.56        10        17
25        6        14        10.535        10        21
1717        2        14        10.96        12        31
121        4        14        9.795        10        18
1629        2        14        10.29        10        20
234        2        14        9.29        10        10
469        4        14        9.61        10        13
343        2        14        8.43        8        5
65        0        14        8.39        8        3
176        0        14        8.415        8        3
195        2        14        8.435        8        4
1540        2        14        8.895        10        8
88        1        14        7.885        8        3
291        0        14        7.55        8        2
1450        2        14        7.915        8        3
2468        2        14        8.285        8        4
70        0        14        7.92        8        4
2062        2        14        8.26        8        2
716        0        14        7.97        8        1
1503        0        14        8.24        8        6
1816        2        14        7.76        8        2
932        2        14        7.705        8        2
48        0        14        6.88        6        2
384        0        12        7.155        8        0
694        0        14        7.48        8        3
148        2        14        8.82        9        7
1089        0        14        7.525        8        5
316        0        14        6.7        6        2
548        2        12        6.84        6        0
2165        0        14        7.345        8        4
1676        2        14        7.34        8        3
364        0        13        6.885        6        0
84        0        12        6.17        6        0
1366        0        12        6.92        8        0
134        0        13        6.07        6        0
1023        0        14        6.59        6        2
2487        0        13        6.97        7        0
180        0        12        6.02        6        0
812        0        12        6.29        6        0
2237        0        12        6.73        6.5        0
2638        0        14        7.08        8        1
425        0        11        6.505        6        0
2340        0        14        6.65        6        1
894        0        12        6.13        6        0
1319        0        12        6.36        6        0
2046        2        14        9.28        10        4
2549        0        14        6.265        6        1
2564        0        12        6.605        6        0
980        0        13        5.925        6        0
612        0        12        5.795        6        0
1038        0        12        5.715        6        0
1983        0        14        7.16        8        3
8        0        12        5.335        6        0
302        0        14        5.18        6        1
457        0        12        5.205        6        0
1739        0        12        5.555        6        0
1758        0        14        5.595        6        1
597        0        11        5.8        6        0
2599        0        14        5.52        6        1
2023        0        12        5.545        6        0
2437        0        14        5.77        6        1
399        0        14        5.2        6        1
1296        0        10        4.74        4        0
1212        0        12        5.07        4        0
1138        0        14        5.615        6        1
2423        0        12        4.865        4        0
1390        0        12        4.52        4        0
226        0        8        4.015        4        0
1885        0        12        5.585        6        0
168        0        12        4.315        4        0
2354        0        10        4.085        4        0
1254        0        10        3.95        4        0
115        0        14        4.77        4        1
839        0        10        4.595        4        0
1523        0        12        3.79        4        0
2621        0        12        3.31        4        0
1576        0        10        2.93        2        0
509        0        8        2.94        2        0
1595        0        8        2.25        2        0
Seeds:
Code:
Team        Min        Max        average        median        1 seed        top 8
1114        1        9        2.43        2        73        199
103        1        27        5.475        4        38        160
217        1        30        8.435        6        21        128
40        1        49        9.935        7        11        114
330        1        45        9.155        6        21        123
254        1        75        12.825        9.5        8        88
494        1        60        14.74        12.5        4        72
25        1        47        13.76        12        4        83
1717        1        72        14.645        11.5        1        75
121        1        61        18.685        15        6        46
1629        2        73        17.955        16        0        51
234        1        75        22.2        16.5        4        37
469        2        65        20.725        17.5        0        42
343        1        77        28.885        27        3        23
65        3        82        28.045        26        0        18
176        2        81        28.525        27        0        12
195        2        77        28.205        27        0        22
1540        2        80        28.36        24        0        27
88        1        82        31.865        29        2        15
291        2        83        35.57        30        0        12
1450        3        81        36.405        34        0        6
2468        3        78        33.735        33        0        10
70        2        83        31.65        29        0        17
2062        3        80        33.55        29.5        0        12
716        4        83        33.94        32        0        11
1503        1        84        33.65        32        1        11
1816        2        79        37.72        35.5        0        8
932        3        82        36.885        34        0        6
48        4        82        40.82        42        0        6
384        5        83        38.92        35        0        10
694        2        84        38.01        36        0        8
148        1        79        25.695        22.5        1        27
1089        3        82        38.885        36.5        0        10
316        3        84        42.95        44        0        5
548        7        81        42.74        43        0        3
2165        2        84        41.76        40        0        9
1676        2        83        41.55        41        0        8
364        5        82        41.26        42        0        8
84        8        85        46.415        46        0        1
1366        5        84        43.39        40        0        3
134        5        84        47.505        49        0        2
1023        1        85        45.66        46        1        4
2487        3        83        45.41        42        0        4
180        8        84        48.06        47        0        1
812        5        82        47.14        48.5        0        2
2237        8        83        46.435        45        0        2
2638        2        85        44.525        43        0        4
425        9        84        45.13        44        0        0
2340        6        85        47.515        51        0        5
894        8        84        49.915        51.5        0        1
1319        6        84        49.06        49.5        0        2
2046        3        76        25.335        22        0        22
2549        5        85        50.57        54        0        2
2564        10        84        47.96        48.5        0        0
980        5        85        52.055        54.5        0        1
612        8        84        51.675        53        0        3
1038        7        85        53.68        54        0        1
1983        1        82        42.585        40.5        1        5
8        6        84        54.195        56.5        0        1
302        4        85        55.815        57        0        2
457        9        85        56.04        59        0        0
1739        9        85        56.61        59        0        0
1758        3        85        56.135        58.5        0        2
597        10        84        51.94        53        0        0
2599        4        85        57.395        59        0        1
2023        10        85        56.715        57        0        0
2437        3        84        54.875        58        0        2
399        4        85        56.345        58        0        1
1296        18        85        62.51        67        0        0
1212        6        85        60.24        66        0        1
1138        6        84        54.745        55.5        0        1
2423        14        85        62.625        66.5        0        0
1390        9        85        63.64        68        0        0
226        30        85        65.665        68        0        0
1885        9        84        56.97        58        0        0
168        7        85        62.575        67        0        1
2354        19        85        67.765        73        0        0
1254        18        85        67.95        71.5        0        0
115        3        85        58.69        63        0        1
839        20        85        63.065        67        0        0
1523        10        85        69.95        74        0        0
2621        9        85        73.095        77        0        0
1576        25        85        75.86        79.5        0        0
509        32        85        74.04        79        0        0
1595        35        85        78.985        82        0        0

Tottanka 12-04-2008 12:43
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 735425)
I ran through 200 simulated qualifications (all 100 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's best opr for their contribution to a match.

I know 1114 is by far the best robot this year, but I wanted to see what their chances are of seeding first. They went undefeated in all but 20 trials, but only seeded first 73 times. Here are the statistics for all teams:

QPs:
Code:
Team        min        max        average        median        undefeated
1114        12        14        13.81        14        180
103        8        14        12.37        12        77
217        8        14        11.705        12        50
40        6        14        11.385        12        39
330        6        14        11.545        12        49
254        2        14        10.83        10.5        31
494        4        14        10.56        10        17
25        6        14        10.535        10        21
1717        2        14        10.96        12        31
121        4        14        9.795        10        18
1629        2        14        10.29        10        20
234        2        14        9.29        10        10
469        4        14        9.61        10        13
343        2        14        8.43        8        5
65        0        14        8.39        8        3
176        0        14        8.415        8        3
195        2        14        8.435        8        4
1540        2        14        8.895        10        8
88        1        14        7.885        8        3
291        0        14        7.55        8        2
1450        2        14        7.915        8        3
2468        2        14        8.285        8        4
70        0        14        7.92        8        4
2062        2        14        8.26        8        2
716        0        14        7.97        8        1
1503        0        14        8.24        8        6
1816        2        14        7.76        8        2
932        2        14        7.705        8        2
48        0        14        6.88        6        2
384        0        12        7.155        8        0
694        0        14        7.48        8        3
148        2        14        8.82        9        7
1089        0        14        7.525        8        5
316        0        14        6.7        6        2
548        2        12        6.84        6        0
2165        0        14        7.345        8        4
1676        2        14        7.34        8        3
364        0        13        6.885        6        0
84        0        12        6.17        6        0
1366        0        12        6.92        8        0
134        0        13        6.07        6        0
1023        0        14        6.59        6        2
2487        0        13        6.97        7        0
180        0        12        6.02        6        0
812        0        12        6.29        6        0
2237        0        12        6.73        6.5        0
2638        0        14        7.08        8        1
425        0        11        6.505        6        0
2340        0        14        6.65        6        1
894        0        12        6.13        6        0
1319        0        12        6.36        6        0
2046        2        14        9.28        10        4
2549        0        14        6.265        6        1
2564        0        12        6.605        6        0
980        0        13        5.925        6        0
612        0        12        5.795        6        0
1038        0        12        5.715        6        0
1983        0        14        7.16        8        3
8        0        12        5.335        6        0
302        0        14        5.18        6        1
457        0        12        5.205        6        0
1739        0        12        5.555        6        0
1758        0        14        5.595        6        1
597        0        11        5.8        6        0
2599        0        14        5.52        6        1
2023        0        12        5.545        6        0
2437        0        14        5.77        6        1
399        0        14        5.2        6        1
1296        0        10        4.74        4        0
1212        0        12        5.07        4        0
1138        0        14        5.615        6        1
2423        0        12        4.865        4        0
1390        0        12        4.52        4        0
226        0        8        4.015        4        0
1885        0        12        5.585        6        0
168        0        12        4.315        4        0
2354        0        10        4.085        4        0
1254        0        10        3.95        4        0
115        0        14        4.77        4        1
839        0        10        4.595        4        0
1523        0        12        3.79        4        0
2621        0        12        3.31        4        0
1576        0        10        2.93        2        0
509        0        8        2.94        2        0
1595        0        8        2.25        2        0
Seeds:
Code:
Team        Min        Max        average        median        1 seed        top 8
1114        1        9        2.43        2        73        199
103        1        27        5.475        4        38        160
217        1        30        8.435        6        21        128
40        1        49        9.935        7        11        114
330        1        45        9.155        6        21        123
254        1        75        12.825        9.5        8        88
494        1        60        14.74        12.5        4        72
25        1        47        13.76        12        4        83
1717        1        72        14.645        11.5        1        75
121        1        61        18.685        15        6        46
1629        2        73        17.955        16        0        51
234        1        75        22.2        16.5        4        37
469        2        65        20.725        17.5        0        42
343        1        77        28.885        27        3        23
65        3        82        28.045        26        0        18
176        2        81        28.525        27        0        12
195        2        77        28.205        27        0        22
1540        2        80        28.36        24        0        27
88        1        82        31.865        29        2        15
291        2        83        35.57        30        0        12
1450        3        81        36.405        34        0        6
2468        3        78        33.735        33        0        10
70        2        83        31.65        29        0        17
2062        3        80        33.55        29.5        0        12
716        4        83        33.94        32        0        11
1503        1        84        33.65        32        1        11
1816        2        79        37.72        35.5        0        8
932        3        82        36.885        34        0        6
48        4        82        40.82        42        0        6
384        5        83        38.92        35        0        10
694        2        84        38.01        36        0        8
148        1        79        25.695        22.5        1        27
1089        3        82        38.885        36.5        0        10
316        3        84        42.95        44        0        5
548        7        81        42.74        43        0        3
2165        2        84        41.76        40        0        9
1676        2        83        41.55        41        0        8
364        5        82        41.26        42        0        8
84        8        85        46.415        46        0        1
1366        5        84        43.39        40        0        3
134        5        84        47.505        49        0        2
1023        1        85        45.66        46        1        4
2487        3        83        45.41        42        0        4
180        8        84        48.06        47        0        1
812        5        82        47.14        48.5        0        2
2237        8        83        46.435        45        0        2
2638        2        85        44.525        43        0        4
425        9        84        45.13        44        0        0
2340        6        85        47.515        51        0        5
894        8        84        49.915        51.5        0        1
1319        6        84        49.06        49.5        0        2
2046        3        76        25.335        22        0        22
2549        5        85        50.57        54        0        2
2564        10        84        47.96        48.5        0        0
980        5        85        52.055        54.5        0        1
612        8        84        51.675        53        0        3
1038        7        85        53.68        54        0        1
1983        1        82        42.585        40.5        1        5
8        6        84        54.195        56.5        0        1
302        4        85        55.815        57        0        2
457        9        85        56.04        59        0        0
1739        9        85        56.61        59        0        0
1758        3        85        56.135        58.5        0        2
597        10        84        51.94        53        0        0
2599        4        85        57.395        59        0        1
2023        10        85        56.715        57        0        0
2437        3        84        54.875        58        0        2
399        4        85        56.345        58        0        1
1296        18        85        62.51        67        0        0
1212        6        85        60.24        66        0        1
1138        6        84        54.745        55.5        0        1
2423        14        85        62.625        66.5        0        0
1390        9        85        63.64        68        0        0
226        30        85        65.665        68        0        0
1885        9        84        56.97        58        0        0
168        7        85        62.575        67        0        1
2354        19        85        67.765        73        0        0
1254        18        85        67.95        71.5        0        0
115        3        85        58.69        63        0        1
839        20        85        63.065        67        0        0
1523        10        85        69.95        74        0        0
2621        9        85        73.095        77        0        0
1576        25        85        75.86        79.5        0        0
509        32        85        74.04        79        0        0
1595        35        85        78.985        82        0        0
wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?

cziggy343 12-04-2008 12:44
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 735425)
I ran through 200 simulated qualifications (all 100 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's best opr for their contribution to a match.

I know 1114 is by far the best robot this year, but I wanted to see what their chances are of seeding first. They went undefeated in all but 20 trials, but only seeded first 73 times. Here are the statistics for all teams:

QPs:
Code:
Team        min        max        average        median        undefeated
1114        12        14        13.81        14        180
103        8        14        12.37        12        77
217        8        14        11.705        12        50
40        6        14        11.385        12        39
330        6        14        11.545        12        49
254        2        14        10.83        10.5        31
494        4        14        10.56        10        17
25        6        14        10.535        10        21
1717        2        14        10.96        12        31
121        4        14        9.795        10        18
1629        2        14        10.29        10        20
234        2        14        9.29        10        10
469        4        14        9.61        10        13
343        2        14        8.43        8        5
65        0        14        8.39        8        3
176        0        14        8.415        8        3
195        2        14        8.435        8        4
1540        2        14        8.895        10        8
88        1        14        7.885        8        3
291        0        14        7.55        8        2
1450        2        14        7.915        8        3
2468        2        14        8.285        8        4
70        0        14        7.92        8        4
2062        2        14        8.26        8        2
716        0        14        7.97        8        1
1503        0        14        8.24        8        6
1816        2        14        7.76        8        2
932        2        14        7.705        8        2
48        0        14        6.88        6        2
384        0        12        7.155        8        0
694        0        14        7.48        8        3
148        2        14        8.82        9        7
1089        0        14        7.525        8        5
316        0        14        6.7        6        2
548        2        12        6.84        6        0
2165        0        14        7.345        8        4
1676        2        14        7.34        8        3
364        0        13        6.885        6        0
84        0        12        6.17        6        0
1366        0        12        6.92        8        0
134        0        13        6.07        6        0
1023        0        14        6.59        6        2
2487        0        13        6.97        7        0
180        0        12        6.02        6        0
812        0        12        6.29        6        0
2237        0        12        6.73        6.5        0
2638        0        14        7.08        8        1
425        0        11        6.505        6        0
2340        0        14        6.65        6        1
894        0        12        6.13        6        0
1319        0        12        6.36        6        0
2046        2        14        9.28        10        4
2549        0        14        6.265        6        1
2564        0        12        6.605        6        0
980        0        13        5.925        6        0
612        0        12        5.795        6        0
1038        0        12        5.715        6        0
1983        0        14        7.16        8        3
8        0        12        5.335        6        0
302        0        14        5.18        6        1
457        0        12        5.205        6        0
1739        0        12        5.555        6        0
1758        0        14        5.595        6        1
597        0        11        5.8        6        0
2599        0        14        5.52        6        1
2023        0        12        5.545        6        0
2437        0        14        5.77        6        1
399        0        14        5.2        6        1
1296        0        10        4.74        4        0
1212        0        12        5.07        4        0
1138        0        14        5.615        6        1
2423        0        12        4.865        4        0
1390        0        12        4.52        4        0
226        0        8        4.015        4        0
1885        0        12        5.585        6        0
168        0        12        4.315        4        0
2354        0        10        4.085        4        0
1254        0        10        3.95        4        0
115        0        14        4.77        4        1
839        0        10        4.595        4        0
1523        0        12        3.79        4        0
2621        0        12        3.31        4        0
1576        0        10        2.93        2        0
509        0        8        2.94        2        0
1595        0        8        2.25        2        0
Seeds:
Code:
Team        Min        Max        average        median        1 seed        top 8
1114        1        9        2.43        2        73        199
103        1        27        5.475        4        38        160
217        1        30        8.435        6        21        128
40        1        49        9.935        7        11        114
330        1        45        9.155        6        21        123
254        1        75        12.825        9.5        8        88
494        1        60        14.74        12.5        4        72
25        1        47        13.76        12        4        83
1717        1        72        14.645        11.5        1        75
121        1        61        18.685        15        6        46
1629        2        73        17.955        16        0        51
234        1        75        22.2        16.5        4        37
469        2        65        20.725        17.5        0        42
343        1        77        28.885        27        3        23
65        3        82        28.045        26        0        18
176        2        81        28.525        27        0        12
195        2        77        28.205        27        0        22
1540        2        80        28.36        24        0        27
88        1        82        31.865        29        2        15
291        2        83        35.57        30        0        12
1450        3        81        36.405        34        0        6
2468        3        78        33.735        33        0        10
70        2        83        31.65        29        0        17
2062        3        80        33.55        29.5        0        12
716        4        83        33.94        32        0        11
1503        1        84        33.65        32        1        11
1816        2        79        37.72        35.5        0        8
932        3        82        36.885        34        0        6
48        4        82        40.82        42        0        6
384        5        83        38.92        35        0        10
694        2        84        38.01        36        0        8
148        1        79        25.695        22.5        1        27
1089        3        82        38.885        36.5        0        10
316        3        84        42.95        44        0        5
548        7        81        42.74        43        0        3
2165        2        84        41.76        40        0        9
1676        2        83        41.55        41        0        8
364        5        82        41.26        42        0        8
84        8        85        46.415        46        0        1
1366        5        84        43.39        40        0        3
134        5        84        47.505        49        0        2
1023        1        85        45.66        46        1        4
2487        3        83        45.41        42        0        4
180        8        84        48.06        47        0        1
812        5        82        47.14        48.5        0        2
2237        8        83        46.435        45        0        2
2638        2        85        44.525        43        0        4
425        9        84        45.13        44        0        0
2340        6        85        47.515        51        0        5
894        8        84        49.915        51.5        0        1
1319        6        84        49.06        49.5        0        2
2046        3        76        25.335        22        0        22
2549        5        85        50.57        54        0        2
2564        10        84        47.96        48.5        0        0
980        5        85        52.055        54.5        0        1
612        8        84        51.675        53        0        3
1038        7        85        53.68        54        0        1
1983        1        82        42.585        40.5        1        5
8        6        84        54.195        56.5        0        1
302        4        85        55.815        57        0        2
457        9        85        56.04        59        0        0
1739        9        85        56.61        59        0        0
1758        3        85        56.135        58.5        0        2
597        10        84        51.94        53        0        0
2599        4        85        57.395        59        0        1
2023        10        85        56.715        57        0        0
2437        3        84        54.875        58        0        2
399        4        85        56.345        58        0        1
1296        18        85        62.51        67        0        0
1212        6        85        60.24        66        0        1
1138        6        84        54.745        55.5        0        1
2423        14        85        62.625        66.5        0        0
1390        9        85        63.64        68        0        0
226        30        85        65.665        68        0        0
1885        9        84        56.97        58        0        0
168        7        85        62.575        67        0        1
2354        19        85        67.765        73        0        0
1254        18        85        67.95        71.5        0        0
115        3        85        58.69        63        0        1
839        20        85        63.065        67        0        0
1523        10        85        69.95        74        0        0
2621        9        85        73.095        77        0        0
1576        25        85        75.86        79.5        0        0
509        32        85        74.04        79        0        0
1595        35        85        78.985        82        0        0
wow... 1114 never finished below 9:ahh: somehow... doesn't shock me, but it is just a simulation.

so this simulation had no assumed defense? its all on the opr?

Joe Ross 12-04-2008 13:10
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tottanka (Post 735429)
wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?
They lost 1 match. There were 3 undefeated teams and about 12 teams with 1 loss, and 1114 had an RS in the middle of those teams. They seeded 9th in that scenario.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cziggy343 (Post 735430)
so this simulation had no assumed defense? its all on the opr?
Correct, no defense, which helps the offensive teams and hurts the defensive teams.

Nawaid Ladak 12-04-2008 13:24
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 735437)
They lost 1 match. There were 3 undefeated teams and about 12 teams with 1 loss, and 1114 had an RS in the middle of those teams. They seeded 9th in that scenario.



Correct, no defense, which helps the offensive teams and hurts the defensive teams.
if you can, do one w9th the opr minus their oponants dpr

oh, don't forget to round by 2's because a odd score is impossable

DhavalP 12-04-2008 14:32
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
wow those are some crazy results

OompaLoompa 12-04-2008 14:44
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
I beg to differ about having 3 shooter bots for an alliance. Through what I've observed at the regionals I have attended and by watching matches online, sometimes having 3 robots who shoot acts as a disadvantage if the extra robot doesn't have a ball and is stuck playing defense.

The best alliances I've seen usually consist of either 2 placer/shooter bots (preferrably one of each) and one defense bot. HOWEVER having a defense bot also does you no good if all they can do is herd the ball. Having the ability of knocking the ball off the overpass during teleoperated mode is needed. This way the two shooter bots dont have to fuss with removing the balls and once they are down the defense bot basically plays a game of "keep-away". A solid autonomous mode also helps a little bit ;) .

AustinDpOwers89 12-04-2008 15:01
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinDpOwers89 (Post 735226)
really i'm thinking a 3 good hurdler/shooter alliance would be an ultimate alliance if they can effectively cooperate and share the 2 track balls. think of the robot without the ball on the otherside of the overpass and the 1st robot hurdles and passes it off to the waiting robot who can grab it within seconds and go around the track. Then the 1st robot waits for the other trackball to be hurdled grabs it and so on. now applying the same idea to a 3 shooter alliance, if they could shoot "kiddy-corner" that would be epic. and with so many good hurdlers in this division i can see it happening.
quoting myself from before... if teams can manage a good "cooprative strategy" and share the trackballs, i think this would optimize scoring potential.

Joe Ross 12-04-2008 15:46
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawaid Ladak (Post 735442)
if you can, do one w9th the opr minus their oponants dpr

oh, don't forget to round by 2's because a odd score is impossable
The OPR + DPR stats were only the top 50 teams, so that's not possible, right now.

waialua359 12-04-2008 17:49
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Sorry to thread jack.
Joe, can you run the simulation for Newton, please?
:D
-Glenn

Bob Steele 12-04-2008 18:30
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
I would personally like to welcome the rookie teams to Galileo.
Last year we were a rookie team on Newton and it did seem a bit overwhelming.

You will have a great time!! And if you need anything in the way of help please come and talk to the skunks.

Don't worry about all the stats!!! The championships have a funny way of sorting things out...

We will look forward to playing with you and against you!!!

We are bringing our "A" game...
and we have a few surprises for all you teams that have never seen anyone from the Pac North West.

We are looking forward to competing with everyone!!

see you in 5 days!!!

The Skunks are coming... 1-9-8-3

Coach Norm 12-04-2008 20:47
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OompaLoompa (Post 735484)
I beg to differ about having 3 shooter bots for an alliance. Through what I've observed at the regionals I have attended and by watching matches online, sometimes having 3 robots who shoot acts as a disadvantage if the extra robot doesn't have a ball and is stuck playing defense.

The best alliances I've seen usually consist of either 2 placer/shooter bots (preferrably one of each) and one defense bot. HOWEVER having a defense bot also does you no good if all they can do is herd the ball. Having the ability of knocking the ball off the overpass during teleoperated mode is needed. This way the two shooter bots dont have to fuss with removing the balls and once they are down the defense bot basically plays a game of "keep-away". A solid autonomous mode also helps a little bit ;) .
We are hoping others see it that way as well. A lap bot with good autonomous and the ability to knock the ball off.



We are just disappointed that our videos from Lone Star Regional were not good enough to post on The Blue Alliance.

We are ready to go though. Can we go now?

AdamHeard 12-04-2008 21:04
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Norm (Post 735629)
We are hoping others see it that way as well. A lap bot with good autonomous and the ability to knock the ball off.



We are just disappointed that our videos from Lone Star Regional were not good enough to post on The Blue Alliance.

We are ready to go though. Can we go now?
May not be the same point he was making, but by three good hurdlers I'm assuming they come from good teams; therefore, they have a good base, good drivers and a good grasp on strategy.

The 3rd bot would be most likely running interference and D, but could be switched for the other two at any time. This opens up so much more freedom for the coaches/strategy and allows for more malfunctions. It would also allow for more opportunities for last minute places, hurdles, etc.... Remember, just because a team can only run laps/play D and knock, doesn't mean they are necessarily better at it.

David Brinza 12-04-2008 21:42
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 733540)
I have to say it:

Fear the SimChickens

What do you think are the odds of them getting together? Busting out these T-shirts?

Could Karthik and Copioli they have planned this all along?
Earlier this year, this speculation was dismissed...based on robot designs:

Look what I saw! (Post 74)

Maybe things are not simply as they appear?

ttldomination 12-04-2008 22:21
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
THey may not, but if one of them seeds first, then they will not let the change bypass them and they will quickly bypass them.

Joe Ross 12-04-2008 23:59
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tottanka (Post 735429)
wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?
Here some of the matches that 1114 lost

Code:
Red1        Red2        Red3        Blue1        Blue2        Blue3        Red        Blue
1114        180        115        103        343        494        113        127
384        1114        84        103        121        469        127        128
716        40        1717        115        302        1114        113        109
84        494        103        1114        1254        812        117        107
217        494        1319        1114        839        2621        109        93
217        254        176        1114        316        226        124        112

Vikesrock 13-04-2008 00:35
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ttldomination (Post 735702)
THey may not, but if one of them seeds first, then they will not let the change bypass them and they will quickly bypass them.
Does this make sense to anyone else?

David Brinza 13-04-2008 01:25
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ttldomination (Post 735702)
THey may not, but if one of them seeds first, then they will not let the change bypass them and they will quickly bypass them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikesrock (Post 735776)
Does this make sense to anyone else?
Got to admit, the point of ttldomination's post eludes me...

jayjaywalker3 13-04-2008 01:41
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cziggy343 (Post 734857)
or unlucky that they dont get to see all the great action!:cool:
There goes all the ultimate frisbee i was looking to play. When will i ever be able to get out into the sun between watching all the matches and discussing strategy till late at night.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinDpOwers89 (Post 735226)
really i'm thinking a 3 good hurdler/shooter alliance would be an ultimate alliance if they can effectively cooperate and share the 2 track balls. think of the robot without the ball on the otherside of the overpass and the 1st robot hurdles and passes it off to the waiting robot who can grab it within seconds and go around the track. Then the 1st robot waits for the other trackball to be hurdled grabs it and so on. now applying the same idea to a 3 shooter alliance, if they could shoot "kiddy-corner" that would be epic. and with so many good hurdlers in this division i can see it happening.
Any other 3 hurdler strategies other than third hurdler being a backup?

Karthik 13-04-2008 01:59
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawaid Ladak (Post 735819)
i don't want to rain on your porade, but couldn't match 2 be a tie, depending on if that number was above 127 or below 127 and if you rounded up or down.... because you can't have odd numbered scores in this years game
I don't want to rain on your "porade", but I have a slight feeling that Joe may be familiar with how to round numbers...

AustinDpOwers89 13-04-2008 02:04
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjaywalker3 (Post 735812)
There goes all the ultimate frisbee i was looking to play. When will i ever be able to get out into the sun between watching all the matches and discussing strategy till late at night.



Any other 3 hurdler strategies other than third hurdler being a backup?
I guess a third hurdler could play defense by like elevating on the otherside of the opposing alliance's overpass... blocking shots perhaps or knocking a hurdler's balls back...

ThunderChief 13-04-2008 02:21
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
I have posted a paper with YouTube links to the video clips that I shot of the Elimination & other selected matches at the Los Angeles Regional.:cool:

You can also find them by searching YouTube for “FIRST Robotics Los Angeles” or by team number, using the Chief Delphi standard to prefix it with “frc”. For example: “frc330”, “frc1717”, “frc980”, etc.

Or just go to: www.YouTube.com/GaryWHedge

cziggy343 13-04-2008 09:13
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 735804)
Got to admit, the point of ttldomination's post eludes me...
yeah... it doesn't make since to me either...

MCahoon 13-04-2008 09:24
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Video from the Microsoft-Seattle Regional has not been posted on Blue Alliance, but team video of some of the elimination rounds has been posted on our team site at
http://tshs.tahoma.wednet.edu/sites/robotics/

Enjoy!

Sunshine 13-04-2008 11:54
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
This thread has been very entertaining to watch. There also seems to be a lot of chest pounding :ahh: and politicking going on. Some of you make it appear that the other divisions should just stay home.

Spend some time on other threads talking about other alliances and you'll obviously get a different perspective about everyones chances.

My two observations would be:

Watch out for the dark horses. Many of you have already declared your picks without considering other good robots who have quietly done well this year. Although prescouting is fun and possibly rewarding, continual scouting will be very important in Atlanta. How many teams have come up with plans to improve their robots? How many teams have less stellar robots than you predict because the toll of doing multiply regionals have taken a hit on the structural integrity of their robot? How many teams have strategized great defense maneuvers to compliment good offense?

My second observation may be a sensitive bias because we are a second year team. But do not rule out teams that happen to have numbers above 2000. There always appears to be an underlying notion that only teams who have been around for several years will do well. You may be setting yourself up for a disappointment because you did not look at other teams strictly because of their assigned number.

Joe Ross 13-04-2008 13:44
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 735823)
I don't want to rain on your "porade", but I have a slight feeling that Joe may be familiar with how to round numbers...
I rounded to the nearest whole number. I did not round to the nearest multiple of two, mainly because I was lazy and didn't want to write a function to do that. Since the errors in the OPRs are much higher then the error caused by not rounding to a multiple of two, I don't think it makes much difference. Another big error is that 103, 469, and 121 could probably not all score their OPR, since there are only 2 balls to go around.

Without rounding, Red's score was 126.71 and Blue's score was 127.901. If rounded to a multiple of 2, Blue would still win 128 to 126.

David Brinza 13-04-2008 13:44
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunshine (Post 735921)
This thread has been very entertaining to watch. There also seems to be a lot of chest pounding :ahh: and politicking going on. Some of you make it appear that the other divisions should just stay home.

Spend some time on other threads talking about other alliances and you'll obviously get a different perspective about everyones chances.

My two observations would be:

Watch out for the dark horses. Many of you have already declared your picks without considering other good robots who have quietly done well this year. Although prescouting is fun and possibly rewarding, continual scouting will be very important in Atlanta. How many teams have come up with plans to improve their robots? How many teams have less stellar robots than you predict because the toll of doing multiply regionals have taken a hit on the structural integrity of their robot? How many teams have strategized great defense maneuvers to compliment good offense?

My second observation may be a sensitive bias because we are a second year team. But do not rule out teams that happen to have numbers above 2000. There always appears to be an underlying notion that only teams who have been around for several years will do well. You may be setting yourself up for a disappointment because you did not look at other teams strictly because of their assigned number.
Oh, there's a lot of teams that keep a low profile and do their "talking" on the field. We all know that the serious scouts are looking at teams' performance (including their own) on the field and how each team might complement (or neutralize) each other.

As far as second year teams, Exploding Bacon made it to Einstein last year. They were the "real deal". Experienced scouts give team number just a little more consideration than color of the robot when it comes to evaluating a team's capability.

This thread is supposed to be entertaining and some of the entertainment comes from watching team members "position" themselves. Keep in mind, almost nobody will be referring to this thread when alliance selection time is near...

ThunderChief 13-04-2008 13:57
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
I have posted a paper in CD-Media with YouTube links to the video clips that I shot of the Elimination & other selected matches at the San Diego Regional. :yikes:

You can also find them by searching YouTube for “FIRST Robotics San Diego” or by team number, using the Chief Delphi standard to prefix it with “frc”. For example: “frc330”, “frc1717”, “frc980”, etc.

Or just go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtflM11-z6k

ThunderChief 13-04-2008 15:15
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
I have posted a paper in CD-Media with a Blank Form for you to hang in your Pit and fill in by hand with your Match Schedule and Scores. Word format in color, 906 Kb. Enjoy. :cool:

Complements of Team 980 - ThunderBots - Galileo Division - World Championship 2008.

brentmcjunkin 13-04-2008 16:29
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
were leaving wednessday at 4 I just cant wait to go the action starts in 3 1/2 days

DhavalP 13-04-2008 16:31
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Same here!

Travis Hoffman 13-04-2008 16:40
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brentmcjunkin (Post 736041)
were leaving wednessday at 4 I just cant wait to go the action starts in 3 1/2 days
Tuesday evening at midnight for our bus departure. Can't get here fast enough!

brentmcjunkin 13-04-2008 16:46
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
that sucks we are right next door to atlanta about a 2 hour drive

ttldomination 13-04-2008 17:02
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
We're at a half an hour drive

I wish we could all travel somewhere...everyone boycott for nationals to be in Hawaii nxt year.

cziggy343 13-04-2008 17:22
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ttldomination (Post 736069)
We're at a half an hour drive

I wish we could all travel somewhere...everyone boycott for nationals to be in Hawaii nxt year.
right... im sure that would turn out well...:rolleyes:

but it is a cool thought:D

jayjaywalker3 13-04-2008 18:49
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Does anybody know how many matches each robot will have?


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