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Kristian Calhoun 13-04-2008 18:53
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjaywalker3 (Post 736131)
Does anybody know how many matches each robot will have?
In previous years it has been 7. Given that the number of teams is approximately the same this year, I don't expect to see that number change.

MOE 13-04-2008 18:56
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Helloooooo from the NE :D
In past years 7 matches. :yikes:
See all SOOoooon OH YEAH !!!!
Team 88 TJ2 and MOE

Nawaid Ladak 13-04-2008 19:31
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjaywalker3 (Post 736131)
Does anybody know how many matches each robot will have?
most likely seven

Tom Bottiglieri 13-04-2008 19:33
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawaid Ladak (Post 736173)
most likely seven
I'm hoping for at least 13.

Cory 13-04-2008 19:36
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri (Post 736174)
I'm hoping for at least 13.
Don't you mean 17?

Tom Bottiglieri 13-04-2008 19:36
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory (Post 736177)
Don't you mean 17?
This is the Galileo thread, Cory. I don't like to get off topic :p

Ripper 13-04-2008 19:49
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
For every team in the Galileo field I got some advice for you: WATCH OUT FOR TEAMS 103 THE CYBERSONICS, AND TEAM 25 RAIDER ROBOTICS. They are two very powerful powerhouses

cziggy343 13-04-2008 20:39
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripper (Post 736199)
For every team in the Galileo field I got some advice for you: WATCH OUT FOR TEAMS 103 THE CYBERSONICS, AND TEAM 25 RAIDER ROBOTICS. They are two very powerful powerhouses
powerhouses usually are powerful:p but yes, they are both very good teams.

SEA 14-04-2008 00:25
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderChief (Post 735829)
I have posted a paper with YouTube links to the video clips that I shot of the Elimination & other selected matches at the Los Angeles Regional.:cool:

You can also find them by searching YouTube for “FIRST Robotics Los Angeles” or by team number, using the Chief Delphi standard to prefix it with “frc”. For example: “frc330”, “frc1717”, “frc980”, etc.

Or just go to: www.YouTube.com/GaryWHedge
Great videos, thanks for uploading them!

Martinez 14-04-2008 09:46
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Don't forget Hybrid mode. It is equally as important as it was back in '06. IMHO it is a neccessity in order to get a solid footing over the competition. We would not have won Philly if it wasn't for Moes mind blowing automated skills. Having team Hybrid modes sink up will be a key to victory.

This is a game of efficiency and how well you can muck up the other teams efficiency.
Simple as that.

OompaLoompa 14-04-2008 10:14
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
adding to my previous post, a D robot can also be enhanced if they can block shots. We've been discussing ways to play this strategy on our team and i think it would be highly beneficial. Not only could a defensive robot play keepaway and knock off the ball, but if they could block shots that could help out a lot too.

65_Xero_Huskie 14-04-2008 11:38
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OompaLoompa (Post 736514)
adding to my previous post, a D robot can also be enhanced if they can block shots. We've been discussing ways to play this strategy on our team and i think it would be highly beneficial. Not only could a defensive robot play keepaway and knock off the ball, but if they could block shots that could help out a lot too.
Im sure that blocking shots would be a very viable strategy.
BUT.
If you want to put your robot in front of another when they are shooting at 7-10lb, 40' ball at about 5-10mph....I would highly request that u think about that again ;)

Guy Davidson 14-04-2008 12:04
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Exactly what I was worried about. I've seen a team (1359, I believe) succesfuly block a shot during the Las Vegas regional finals. I'd just make sure your robot is designed robustly enough to take that shot before you try blocking it.

65_Xero_Huskie 14-04-2008 12:11
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Plus, if you try to block a shot while the player is trying to shoot. You have to have a VERY high robot. If you are to close to them and they bump into you while they are trying to shoot, you will get the penalty. :O

Alexa Stott 14-04-2008 12:44
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie (Post 736563)
Plus, if you try to block a shot while the player is trying to shoot. You have to have a VERY high robot. If you are to close to them and they bump into you while they are trying to shoot, you will get the penalty. :O
Also, you'd have to find a way to keep a low CoG while your robot is up high enough to block shots.

Suspect_Deezy 14-04-2008 12:48
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
OH YEA!!! THIS IS GONA BE SOOOOOO HYPE :ahh: EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN NEWTON

kazzykaty 14-04-2008 15:47
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Hey! Team 223 in the curie division and are looking to align with a team from each division for scouting. With a small group like ours, it is difficult to scout in all four divisions.
With a team in each division, we can all share our scouting information when it comes time for pairings. If your team is interested or has further questions, feel free to e-mail me at kazzykaty@aol.com.

GaryVoshol 14-04-2008 16:11
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie (Post 736563)
Plus, if you try to block a shot while the player is trying to shoot. You have to have a VERY high robot. If you are to close to them and they bump into you while they are trying to shoot, you will get the penalty. :O
Wrong on both counts. Ask Foley Freeze.

If the shooting robot is low, you only have to be taller than that.

If the shooting robot bumps into the blocker, that is a "bump to pass" signal. Impeding may or may not apply, depending on if there is a clear path or if the blocker robot is moving side to side. It is hurdling interference only if the blocking robot bumps the shooter, not the other way around.

XaulZan11 14-04-2008 16:22
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 736722)
If the shooting robot bumps into the blocker, that is a "bump to pass" signal. Impeding may or may not apply, depending on if there is a clear path or if the blocker robot is moving side to side. It is hurdling interference only if the blocking robot bumps the shooter, not the other way around.
Correct, but if the defender/blocker bumps into the hurdler, the defender gets a penalty for interferring with hurdling (provided the hurdler is moving foward or the ball is higher than the lane dividor). While it is risky and requires some good drivers not to run into the shooters, it can be very effective. One of the best plays I've seen this year was 537 block both 1625's and 1730's potential hurdles. It was very cool.

brentmcjunkin 14-04-2008 16:24
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
the championship is almost here i am so siked:yikes: i cant wait till we leave. this is gonna be my FIRST championship cant wait :D :cool: :) :]

AcesPease 14-04-2008 17:49
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexa Stott (Post 736589)
Also, you'd have to find a way to keep a low CoG while your robot is up high enough to block shots.
Hmmm....

We could do that, we have about 90 lbs below 8 inches high and our arm goes very high. 1 and 1/4" tube construction is pretty tough. If we find ourselves in a tough match against a team that "fires" the ball over the overpass we will have to give it a try.

There is a caveat: This will only be possible against a very few shooters who fire at a little distance from the overpass. Other shooters get right up against the overpass when they shoot and it would be nearly impossible to block without interfering with their hurdling move.

So much of what is being talked about here depends on the qualifying match ups. Can't wait to find out who is playing who.

nuggetsyl 14-04-2008 19:54
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
IS anyone going to make a story this year for galileo???

cziggy343 14-04-2008 20:29
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetsyl (Post 736948)
IS anyone going to make a story this year for galileo???
are you volunteering for that? i have too much stuff to do:p

65_Xero_Huskie 14-04-2008 21:49
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
So, i was thinking while at work today.
Who thinks were gonna see a score of 160+ ?
*Raises hand*

cziggy343 14-04-2008 22:03
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie (Post 737066)
So, i was thinking while at work today.
Who thinks were gonna see a score of 160+ ?
*Raises hand*
*raises hand in unison*

JackN 14-04-2008 22:20
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
I'm going to be bolder, I think that given the right conditions a 200 point match is possible on this field. It involves 2 specific teams and one of a group of 4 teams. I am pretty sure there is no way it will happen, but I could certainly see a 180 point match for sure.

OompaLoompa 15-04-2008 10:09
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
There's no way the matches wont go over 150. It's guaranteed!!! :yikes:

ttldomination 15-04-2008 11:42
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Yeah...i have a feeling that the finals will be dominating and that the matches will be decided by penalties. The wins are gonna be really close...

hillale 15-04-2008 11:49
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JackN (Post 737114)
I'm going to be bolder, I think that given the right conditions a 200 point match is possible on this field. It involves 2 specific teams and one of a group of 4 teams. I am pretty sure there is no way it will happen, but I could certainly see a 180 point match for sure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OompaLoompa (Post 737373)
There's no way the matches wont go over 150. It's guaranteed!!! :yikes:
I'm not so sure of these claims. Sure, when there are purely offensive alliances, it's a possibility. However with this being Champs, and certain teams having already been spotlighted for their enormous offensive prowess... I'm pretty positive defense will play a much bigger part than most think (teams just need to have some original thought and come up with a defense that is outside of the box, but within the rules :rolleyes: ).

Gene Williams 15-04-2008 12:04
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Yep! The game of "keep away" comes to mind. Box the ball(s) in a corner and "that's all folks!";)

Racer26 15-04-2008 13:01
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
I'm going to say that there will DEFINITELY be a match on Galileo where the combined match score is over 200 (red + blue). There will also be SEVERAL matches where the score is over 150 for the winning alliance. 1114 didn't have a match where they scored less than 98 at GTR just a few weeks ago, I expect similar results here.

65_Xero_Huskie 15-04-2008 13:07
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 737458)
I'm going to say that there will DEFINITELY be a match on Galileo where the combined match score is over 200 (red + blue). There will also be SEVERAL matches where the score is over 150 for the winning alliance. 1114 didn't have a match where they scored less than 98 at GTR just a few weeks ago, I expect similar results here.
Yea, 1114 has an average score of 102 for the season.
so, im pretty sure that there will be a score of over 270 combined.

DhavalP 15-04-2008 13:35
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
i really doubt the scores will be as high as people speculate because the opposing allience can easily play a game of keep away to stop powerhouse hurdlers

AustinDpOwers89 15-04-2008 14:15
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
i think we'll come to find that defensive strategies for the most part will fall through, and while some bots will be better at them than others, and an alliance may pick a team based on defense, purely offensive alliances will be able to overcome most defenses... esspecially if they're limited to boxing in the ball at the corners. i can however see shotblocking as a legitimate defensive move... but i don't know how practical that idea is, since there have been very few instances of it thus far. i guess another defensive move could be pushing opponents balls backwards across lane markers, but i've seen this strategy, and for the most part it hasn't worked out too well.

Guy Davidson 16-04-2008 23:37
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Anyone who got the practice match schedule for tomorrow care to tell us when we're playing? We weren't able to make the uncrating tonight. If no one has it, I guess we'll justh ave to find out tomorrow morning.

waialua359 16-04-2008 23:47
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 738290)
Anyone who got the practice match schedule for tomorrow care to tell us when we're playing? We weren't able to make the uncrating tonight. If no one has it, I guess we'll justh ave to find out tomorrow morning.
I knew i should have grabbed all the divisions practice match schedules.:D

Coach Norm 17-04-2008 01:57
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 738290)
Anyone who got the practice match schedule for tomorrow care to tell us when we're playing? We weren't able to make the uncrating tonight. If no one has it, I guess we'll justh ave to find out tomorrow morning.
Team 8 at the following times:
9:40 with 195 and 134 vs. 1254, 88 and 217
11:50 - 1880, 176 and 134 vs. 134, 1983 and 8
3:10 - 30, 65 and 8 vs. 343, 384 and 48

Hope that helps.

Robert Thacker- 17-04-2008 17:05
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Anyone have any idea where my team lies? I couldn't be there this year, but they hope to do well. It's team 103

A_Reed 17-04-2008 17:12
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Thacker- (Post 738488)
Anyone have any idea where my team lies? I couldn't be there this year, but they hope to do well. It's team 103
They haven't stated the qualification matches yet. Check Back tomorrow after opening ceremonies, about 9:00 when the matches start.

Robert Thacker- 17-04-2008 17:14
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
ah.....good to know. lol

65_Xero_Huskie 17-04-2008 21:12
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
1114 looks to be in good standings for #1 seed.
I hope we see some people give them a run for their money.
Matches will be amazing.
:)

Gene Williams 17-04-2008 21:53
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Well as I was watching the webcast today I caught a match later in the afternoon with 1114, 469 and ??? vs. 70, ??? and ??? with a score of 150 to 128!!!:eek:

Pretty impressive!

chaoticprout 17-04-2008 21:53
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
1114 is playing poofs, I think that will decide Galileo (and the championship?)

XaulZan11 17-04-2008 21:57
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaoticprout (Post 738588)
1114 is playing poofs, I think that will decide Galileo (and the championship?)
Ooh, what time and match number? I'm gonna make sure to see that one!

Guy Davidson 17-04-2008 21:59
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 738591)
Ooh, what time and match number? I'm gonna make sure to see that one!
Match #75 at 9:03am on Saturday, Red: 1114, 234, 65; Blue: 8, 254, 469.

waialua359 17-04-2008 22:04
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Davidson (Post 738593)
Match #75 at 9:03am on Saturday, Red: 1114, 234, 65; Blue: 8, 254, 469.
I'll be very curious to see how team 8 plans to play defense against 1114. Team 8, a premier defensive team, must be planning something. They have two awesome partners in 254 and 469! The other alliance is stacked too.
This is a must see match indeed.

65_Xero_Huskie 18-04-2008 00:18
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 738594)
I'll be very curious to see how team 8 plans to play defense against 1114. Team 8, a premier defensive team, must be planning something. They have two awesome partners in 254 and 469! The other alliance is stacked too.
This is a must see match indeed.
Ha, this is the match to watch!
We were talking and the blue alliance looks to be an elimination team setup :)
I am glad i can see this match in person!

Corey Balint 18-04-2008 10:40
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
My top robots have completely changed so far.
This division is incredible.

Also, does anyone think 48's safety escorts is a horrible idea? They are annoying and more importantly distracting. I heard someone else say this idea, which I thought was a great point. With them walking behind and screaming robot coming through at the top of their lungs, isn't that more distracting then just having the team just walk by with their arms up saying excuse me. When I hear someone scream behind me, I get startled stop what Im doing and look. It's far less safe

Tetraman 18-04-2008 12:08
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Galileo has THE best play-by-play announcer.

Racer26 18-04-2008 12:08
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
1075 did this at GTR on Saturday in 48's absence (we missed you guys!) and I think it was really good. The problem is that people don't pay attention and then someone accidentally runs over their toes or something... how is startling you to awareness unsafe?

SSMike 18-04-2008 12:51
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 738594)
I'll be very curious to see how team 8 plans to play defense against 1114. Team 8, a premier defensive team, must be planning something. They have two awesome partners in 254 and 469! The other alliance is stacked too.
This is a must see match indeed.
I actually think that the Poofs will take this match in a very close (and high scoring) one. I think that it will come down to the superior defensive squad, which in this one is 254, 8, 469.

rsilverstein 18-04-2008 12:54
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaoticprout (Post 738588)
1114 is playing poofs, I think that will decide Galileo (and the championship?)
Poofs already took a loss.
1114 has a (relatively) weak schedule.... I'm sure there will be more than one undefeated team with a higher RS than them.

330 plays 217 tomorrow in both of their last matches and I'm sure they'll both be undefeated at that point.

Bongle 18-04-2008 13:11
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 738735)
1075 did this at GTR on Saturday in 48's absence (we missed you guys!) and I think it was really good. The problem is that people don't pay attention and then someone accidentally runs over their toes or something... how is startling you to awareness unsafe?
There isn't an actual need for anyone except those in your way (read: people within 1-2ft of the front and sides of your cart) to actually be aware that your robot is coming through. Shouting is overkill, because there are large numbers of people in earshot who are probably trying to concentrate on sawing/drilling/programming/scouting/strategy. Particularly for those people engaged in tasks that may be dangerous if they don't pay full attention to the task at hand, it can negatively impact safety. Most teams I've been on have managed to just politely tap people on the shoulder or say "excuse me" to get through the pits. If everyone did safety wardens, then the pits would have a constant flow of people shouting "robot coming through", resulting in nobody being sure where the robots were and leaving everyone cowering in fear.

Good intentions, poor implementation.

Improved idea: use an old robot controller, a braking mechanism, and sensors to detect when you're about to run over someone's toe. Apply the brakes or simply make the person moving the cart aware with a flashing light or noticeable (but not obnoxious) noise. A simple example would be to hook an old RC to old motors on each wheel. If a toe-like obstruction is detected, switch the victors from coast to brake. It would allow the cart to get over obstacles, but would make the cart driver aware through increased resistance.

JamesBrown 18-04-2008 13:22
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetraman (Post 738734)
Galileo has THE best play-by-play announcer.
Has it been Andy all day?

EricH 18-04-2008 13:42
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesBrown (Post 738760)
Has it been Andy all day?
Nah. Sir Charles was up for a while pre-lunch.

I'm not exactly sure I like Sir Charles's style. Might just be me, though. He can sure wake up a crowd, but the enthusiasm can wane when you're overexposed to it. I think Grady does a better job overall.

T3_1565 18-04-2008 14:00
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 738762)
Nah. Sir Charles was up for a while pre-lunch.

I'm not exactly sure I like Sir Charles's style. Might just be me, though. He can sure wake up a crowd, but the enthusiasm can wane when you're overexposed to it. I think Grady does a better job overall.
agreed, I have to say, that charles is alright for a little bit, but hes repeatative talking gets on my nerves after a while, but these matches are intense!! so I don't really care lol

A_Reed 18-04-2008 14:58
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corey Balint (Post 738723)
Also, does anyone think 48's safety escorts is a horrible idea? They are annoying and more importantly distracting. I heard someone else say this idea, which I thought was a great point. With them walking behind and screaming robot coming through at the top of their lungs, isn't that more distracting then just having the team just walk by with their arms up saying excuse me. When I hear someone scream behind me, I get startled stop what Im doing and look. It's far less safe
I'm not saying it isn't annoying but it seems the UL safety judges obviously promote it, we have won the UL Industrial Safety award eight times in the last twelve regionals we have attended, including all three of our regionals this year.:D

Michael Corsetto 18-04-2008 18:13
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Wow, tomorrow morning is gonna make things very interesting.

176, 1114 and 330 are the only 3 undefeated teams (1983 has a tie), with 1114 and 330 tied only .4 RS points behind 176. 176 has much tougher matches tomorrow, being paired against teams such as 254, 121 and 384, and not being with any powerhouse teams besides 148, so they could very well end up 6-1 or 5-2 by lunch tomorrow. The real question is can either 330 or 1114 stay undefeated through their last two matches tomorrow to guarantee one picking the other? The match everyone is talking about with 1114 vs 254 is stacked against Simbotics, but with their high scoring and reliable auto mode they might be able to pull of a win, and their other match should be just like their first 5 have been. My guess is 330 will be the only undefeated team left by the time selections come around, although their last match is vs 217, which could stop their undefeated streak as well. It's gonna be an interesting morning tomorrow, which I will be waking up at 5:45 am pacific time to watch :p

EricH 18-04-2008 18:22
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rsilverstein (Post 738752)
330 plays 217 tomorrow in both of their last matches and I'm sure they'll both be undefeated at that point.
Sorry, Ross. 217 played 70, 115, and 195 and lost, then 234, 1390, and 254. Not undefeated now... 330, yes, until further notice. (Like that match tomorrow.)

By the way, from the match schedules thread, here are the predicted seeding numbers:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri
Galileo:
Code:
Team    Wins
217    7
1114    7
103    6
121    6
330    6
1816    6
2046    6
2062    6
40    5
65    5
70    5
254    5
291    5
343    5
469    5
1089    5
1540    5
1629    5
1717    5
2165    5
2340    5
2549    5
25    4
176    4
180    4
195    4
234    4
302    4
316    4
364    4
384    4
425    4
494    4
812    4
932    4
1023    4
1138    4
1366    4
1983    4
2023    4
2354    4
2437    4
2468    4
2599    4
8    3
48    3
88    3
115    3
148    3
597    3
716    3
839    3
894    3
980    3
1296    3
1319    3
1390    3
1450    3
1676    3
1885    3
2237    3
2638    3
84    2
226    2
399    2
509    2
612    2
694    2
1038    2
1212    2
1254    2
1503    2
1523    2
1595    2
1739    2
1758    2
2423    2
2487    2
2564    2
134    1
168    1
457    1
548    1
2621    1
1576    0
Looks like Tom will want to run his numbers again. 176, 1114, and 330 are currently undefeated, and 217 has two losses.

galewind 18-04-2008 18:43
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetraman (Post 738734)
Galileo has THE best play-by-play announcer.
Andy Grady is the man. I got to cover for him in CT and had a great time. He was Emcee in CT last year too and did a great job.

And yesterday was his birthday :)

galewind 18-04-2008 18:52
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Hey wow, that algorithm is almost spot on so far for us. We ended up in 13th (predicted 16th), and we the one match we lost, we pretty much knew it from the getgo (against 330, 494, and 1138, and I have to say I thought our alliance put up a hell of a fight, though, us getting our D on and 694 hurdling like they did in NYC). We have a relatively easy schedule being that we only have to face a few of the rediculous powerhouses that I know this division has. I'm dropping my jaw seeing some of these teams play.

we were just excited that our hybrid's in full-working order now.

AdamHeard 18-04-2008 18:55
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
It's interesting that 254 & 1114 are similar and 217 & 330 are similar and they each face each other in a match.

Personally, I'd like to see 1114 and 330 seed 1st and 2nd (either order) and each would pick one of 254/217. After that, hopefully they meet in division finals for some intense matches :D

T3_1565 18-04-2008 21:13
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 738818)
It's interesting that 254 & 1114 are similar and 217 & 330 are similar and they each face each other in a match.

Personally, I'd like to see 1114 and 330 seed 1st and 2nd (either order) and each would pick one of 254/217. After that, hopefully they meet in division finals for some intense matches :D
yeah 1114 and 217 vs 330 and 254 would be awesome lol. one of each type face off against eachother. One of them will be in first by the time this is over!!

Guy Davidson 18-04-2008 22:07
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 738594)
I'll be very curious to see how team 8 plans to play defense against 1114. Team 8, a premier defensive team, must be planning something.
We just finished our nightly meeting. Don't worry, we have a plan. :cool:

No, whether or not it will work, that's another question. Knowing 1114, probably not :P However, we'll give it a shot.

Alex_2487 18-04-2008 22:29
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 738812)
Sorry, Ross. 217 played 70, 115, and 195 and lost, then 234, 1390, and 254. Not undefeated now... 330, yes, until further notice. (Like that match tomorrow.)

By the way, from the match schedules thread, here are the predicted seeding numbers:
Looks like Tom will want to run his numbers again. 176, 1114, and 330 are currently undefeated, and 217 has two losses.
also, we were ranked 77th on the predictions and we only have 1 loss and we are in 9th place

FoleyEngineer 18-04-2008 22:54
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
There's a very slim but statistically possible way that this whole division could fall apart. Imagine this...

176 (now undefeated), loses their one match against poofs but finishes 6 and 1.

330 loses to 217 (and also end up 6 and 1)

1114 loses to 254/469 (and also end up 6 and 1) !!!

Now it's all up to qualifying points. 176 is *already* ahead by a touch. Just imagine that they stay #1. Now...

176 asks 1114 who refuses, then asks 330 and 254 who refuse, then asks 217 who has to accept. There's your first power team out. Since 1114, 330 and 254 all refused, they can't ask each other and therefore can't team up. Ouch!

Mind you, I *REALLY* don't want this to happen. I happen to have some good friends on those 4 teams above but just looking at the numbers, wouldn't that be an insane outcome?

65_Xero_Huskie 18-04-2008 22:55
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
1114, 65, 234 v. 254, 469,8
Looks to be the blockbuster.
Everyone is saying that 1114 v. 254 is what to watch, BUT, 469 is in there aswell, and id have to give them credit for 4-5 atleast.
I sense a high combined score here :)
160-150? *Edit* I would like to change this to 120-110* :)
may the best alliance win.

EricH 18-04-2008 23:03
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie (Post 738859)
1114, 65, 234 v. 254, 469,8
Looks to be the blockbuster.
Everyone is saying that 1114 v. 254 is what to watch, BUT, 469 is in there aswell, and id have to give them credit for 4-5 atleast.
I sense a high combined score here :)
160-150?
may the best alliance win.
Don't count 234 out either. Despite their record, they have a pretty decent machine. I'm with you on the high score, but I don't quite think it'll be that high.

waialua359 18-04-2008 23:51
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
I think the key is not counting out team 8. If they cant strategize and beat them successfully (1114) i.e. slow them down, trap the ball, etc. then who can? Slowing down 1114 will be significant if it can be done since the other alliance can score at will also.

To the other comment about the scenario that could break up the alliance, how ironic is it that Aces High are in the mix again similar to that of Newton 2006!

If 330 wins out, the alliance will be set with 1114 and 330. 330 picking 1114 as a #1 pick is a guarantee and 1114 accepting should be a guarantee. Accepting means its a guaranteed strong alliance versus them declining and taking whoever 330 doesn't take.

With all of the hype this year about 1114, I had to see them for myself in a match. They are the team 25 of 2006 and I am a believer now!


My last scenario would be the most interesting. What if 1114 ends up at #1 and takes 254? That would be such a strong alliance that if they should win the championship title, they would both be the two most strongest teams to have finally won a title!:D

65_Xero_Huskie 19-04-2008 00:21
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 738883)
I think the key is not counting out team 8. If they cant strategize and beat them successfully (1114) i.e. slow them down, trap the ball, etc. then who can? Slowing down 1114 will be significant if it can be done since the other alliance can score at will also.

To the other comment about the scenario that could break up the alliance, how ironic is it that Aces High are in the mix again similar to that of Newton 2006!

If 330 wins out, the alliance will be set with 1114 and 330. 330 picking 1114 as a #1 pick is a guarantee and 1114 accepting should be a guarantee. Accepting means its a guaranteed strong alliance versus them declining and taking whoever 330 doesn't take.

With all of the hype this year about 1114, I had to see them for myself in a match. They are the team 25 of 2006 and I am a believer now!


My last scenario would be the most interesting. What if 1114 ends up at #1 and takes 254? That would be such a strong alliance that if they should win the championship title, they would both be the two most strongest teams to have finally won a title!:D
U have 1114 picking 254? Hm, i got that as an option, I think they would pick differently though.

rsilverstein 19-04-2008 02:50
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 738883)

My last scenario would be the most interesting. What if 1114 ends up at #1 and takes 254? That would be such a strong alliance that if they should win the championship title, they would both be the two most strongest teams to have finally won a title!:D
If 1114 ends up at #1 then that means they would have beaten 254 in their match against each other. Causing 254 will have at least 2 losses, putting them low in the rankings. If 1114 picked 254, then that would give 330 (high in the rankings... maybe even #2 seed) the opportunity to pick another strong team (217, 25, 494) which would also make a strong alliance.

If 1114 picks 330, however, than the 2nd alliance would probably be captained by a weaker team, leaving them to break up the other powerhouses, leading to an almost sure win for 1114/330.

In other words, they would be better off picking the higher seeded team (even if people believe that 254 is better than 330... which, in itself, I think I would have to disagree with)

Cascade 19-04-2008 03:20
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
254 can shoot, now doubt about it. 330 can hurdle and has precise control at the end game. 330 has the intangible, however: experience.

No matter how the alliances shakeout, gonna be very fast with lots of scoring.

Could it come down to defense?

EricH 19-04-2008 09:08
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
The 1114-254 match is over...72-46, 1114 wins. 254 was stuck under the center Lexan all match. 8 was defending pretty well... First time in a while that 1114 hasn't scored 100+.

Bongle 19-04-2008 09:41
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 738964)
The 1114-254 match is over...72-46, 1114 wins. 254 was stuck under the center Lexan all match. 8 was defending pretty well... First time in a while that 1114 hasn't scored 100+.
They failed to score 100 in their 2nd match (barely), but 72 is certainly much farther from 100 than they're used to. So it appears it is indeed possible to play strong defense against them, even with a dead robot. Though if 254 wasn't stuck against the divider, 1114 might have had an easier time getting around 8, and thus scored more.

Michael Corsetto 19-04-2008 10:00
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
330 lost a drive motor or something because they were out of commission for all of their 6th match past hybrid mode. I hope they can get it fixed.

Looks like 1114 is going to end qualifiers undefeated. I'm going to go out and say that 1114 doesn't pick 254 or 330, but instead 217. I think out of these three teams 217 will perform the best under both high pressure and high defense. I know 330 has excellent drivers, but I think 330's overall robot design lends itself to be easier to defend. And although 254 has a powerhouse robot as well, they lack the driver experience and ability to play with heavy defense in order to be effective on Einstein.

Andy330 19-04-2008 10:22
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex114 (Post 738966)
330 lost a drive motor or something because they were out of commission for all of their 6th match past hybrid mode. I hope they can get it fixed.

Looks like 1114 is going to end qualifiers undefeated. I'm going to go out and say that 1114 doesn't pick 254 or 330, but instead 217. I think out of these three teams 217 will perform the best under both high pressure and high defense. I know 330 has excellent drivers, but I think 330's overall robot design lends itself to be easier to defend. And although 254 has a powerhouse robot as well, they lack the driver experience and ability to play with heavy defense in order to be effective on Einstein.
Our contact said it was a thrown drive chain, the first I can remember having gotten during a match this year. I can't imagine they won't have it ready to go for the next match.

Personally, I can't wait for our next match (against the Thunderchickens). It should be a great competition (not to mention it could determine whether we seed in the top 8 ;)).

EricH 19-04-2008 10:36
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy330 (Post 738968)
Our contact said it was a thrown drive chain, the first I can remember having gotten during a match this year. I can't imagine they won't have it ready to go for the next match.

Personally, I can't wait for our next match (against the Thunderchickens). It should be a great competition (not to mention it could determine whether we seed in the top 8 ;)).
Only one? I can only think of one that would virtually immobilize a full side of the drive.

I also suspected something of the sort.

Mike Ross 19-04-2008 12:05
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
1114 (#1 seed) just picked 217.
Good luck everybody. Let the fun begin...


1 1114 217 148
2 1717 254 384
3 2340 1450 612
4 195 330 40
5 1983 469 2046
6 1089 103 1503
7 494 25 88
8 176 121 8

Vikesrock 19-04-2008 12:13
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
1114-217-148
1717-254-384
2340-1450-612
195-330-40
1983-469-2046
1089-103-1503
494-25-88
176-121-8

Jonathan Norris 19-04-2008 12:14
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
wow so the 'dream' alliance of 1114, 217, 148 happened... lets see how they do

#2, #4, #6 all look really good

Tottanka 19-04-2008 12:14
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
wow!
1114,217 and 148!
what an alliance!

Manoel 19-04-2008 12:16
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
How could 148 go unnoticed 'till the last pick?

Scout, people, scout...

Can we call them 2008 World Champions already? :p

Tim Delles 19-04-2008 12:18
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
  1. 1114-217-148
  2. 1717-254-384
  3. 2340-1450-612
  4. 195-330-40
  5. 1983-469-2046
  6. 1089-103-1503
  7. 494-25-88
  8. 176-121-8

Quarter Finals
#1 def. #8
#2 def. #7 (this could be the other way around though. its tight)
#6 def #3
#4 beats #5

Semi Finals
#1 def #4
#6 def #2

Finals
#1 def #6

And Simbots make it to Einstein for the first time.

GBilletdeaux930 19-04-2008 12:19
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manoel (Post 738988)
How could 148 go unnoticed 'till the last pick?

Scout, people, scout...

Can we call them 2008 World Champions already? :p
I was thinking the same thing... wow this is gonna be... nice

Tottanka 19-04-2008 12:24
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
1. 1114-217-148
2. 1717-254-384
3. 2340-1450-612
4. 195-330-40
5. 1983-469-2046
6. 1089-103-1503
7. 494-25-88
8. 176-121-8


Quarter Finals
#1 > #8
#2 > #7
#6 > #3
#4 > #5

Semi Finals
#1 > #4
#6 < #2

Finals
#1 > #2

XaulZan11 19-04-2008 12:34
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manoel (Post 738988)
How could 148 go unnoticed 'till the last pick?

Scout, people, scout...

Can we call them 2008 World Champions already? :p
I think people did scout did scout them very closely after everyone here talked them up so much. I think people saw that they are probably overrated. Personally, I would have taken 70 instead. Still a super strong alliance. Should be very exciting!

JamesBrown 19-04-2008 12:36
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manoel (Post 738988)
How could 148 go unnoticed 'till the last pick?

Scout, people, scout...

Can we call them 2008 World Champions already? :p
148 has had issues all weekend, they haven't looked as good as in the past

Tim Delles 19-04-2008 14:25
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
1114 and 217 opt to go 2 on 3 while 148 tries to fix their robot! hrmmmm i still think they can do it

s_forbes 19-04-2008 14:29
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Delles (Post 739025)
1114 and 217 opt to go 2 on 3 while 148 tries to fix their robot! hrmmmm i still think they can do it
Weird results: 217 broke, didn't hurdle. 1114 got tipped.

Tim Delles 19-04-2008 14:34
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by s_forbes (Post 739026)
Weird results: 217 broke, didn't hurdle. 1114 got tipped.
yeah. watching it looked like they got tipped on purpose, but that is just from what i saw.

could 1114's unlucky semi final past come back to haunt them again?

Joe G. 19-04-2008 14:40
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
It looked to me like 217's surgical tubing on there arm broke, so they should be back in action fairly quickly.

Not sure about 1114, or 148. Any word on what's wrong with their robot?

330, 195, and 40 have certantly been giving them a run for their money though.

Tim Delles 19-04-2008 14:41
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
WOW the penalties!!!!

and 1114 217 and 148 survive

T3_1565 19-04-2008 14:42
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Delles (Post 739027)
yeah. watching it looked like they got tipped on purpose, but that is just from what i saw.

could 1114's unlucky semi final past come back to haunt them again?
unlucky, or unfair??

outside bumper contact to start the tip, then drive under them??


EDIT: holy penalties..... glad everything got called right!!

JamesBrown 19-04-2008 14:42
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jreed129 (Post 739030)
score has been posted on the FIRST website as red: 0 blue :118

Simbotics 7th lost of the season
Don't know where that came from, 1114 and co. win due to penalties and a team 40 red card.

The red card was for "Intentional tipping with the team cheering"

SSMike 19-04-2008 14:44
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Wow that was a weird match; 3vs.2 and Simbotics tips.
A grand total of 11 penalties between the alliances in that last match. I believe that the match was also decided by a DQ for intentional tipping, but correct me if I'm wrong. It is an unfortunate way to lose a match.

EricH 19-04-2008 14:45
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesBrown (Post 739033)
Don't know where that came from, 1114 and co. win due to penalties and a team 40 red card.

The red card was for "Intentional tipping with the team cheering"
Team cheering... Not covered in the rules.
Tipping--Minimun 10-points, max DQ

EricH 19-04-2008 14:46
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SSMike (Post 739034)
Wow that was a weird match; 3vs.2 and Simbotics tips.
A grand total of 11 penalties between the alliances in that last match. I believe that the match was also decided by a DQ for intentional tipping, but correct me if I'm wrong. It is an unfortunate way to lose a match.
Wouldn't have made a difference with penalties.

JamesBrown 19-04-2008 14:46
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 739035)
Team cheering... Not covered in the rules.
Tipping--Minimun 10-points, max DQ
the quote is from Andy, as announced on the field

EricH 19-04-2008 14:47
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesBrown (Post 739037)
the quote is from Andy, as announced on the field
I'm just pointing out that the team cheering isn't covered by the rules.

The tipping I understand.

A_Reed 19-04-2008 14:47
Re: Galileo Division 2008
 
That had to be the strangest match I have ever seen. a bunch of penalties and a tipped robot. Wow!


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