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sdcantrell56 10-04-2008 17:15

pic: FRC 1771 Swerve Module
 

Aren_Hill 10-04-2008 17:16

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that looks familiar.....


sdcantrell56 10-04-2008 18:50

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It is somewhat similar. The big difference would be in how ours is all assembled by bolts or rivets versus yours is welded. Im working on a new revision now. How are you keying your wheels. Im planning on making wheels like that for next year.

Aren_Hill 10-04-2008 18:52

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Originally Posted by sdcantrell56 (Post 734518)
It is somewhat similar. The big difference would be in how ours is all assembled by bolts or rivets versus yours is welded. Im working on a new revision now. How are you keying your wheels. Im planning on making wheels like that for next year.

all axles on our swerve are 7068 alum. hex, with the sprockets and bevel gears hex broaches and the axles held in by snaprings.

sdcantrell56 10-04-2008 19:43

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Cool. Specifically what is on the wheel to take the hex shaft. Look for the second revision in a little bit

Aren_Hill 10-04-2008 20:21

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Originally Posted by sdcantrell56 (Post 734543)
Cool. Specifically what is on the wheel to take the hex shaft. Look for the second revision in a little bit


the wheel has 2 pieces of .75" o.d. aluminum round 6061 with a 3/8ths hex broached in it. those 2 pieces are welded onto the waterjetted wheel sideplate

Akash Rastogi 10-04-2008 21:34

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sorry to be a total noob, but what motor do u use to drive? or any drawing of the inside or an exploded view would be awesome. Thanks.

hillale 10-04-2008 21:50

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they use the cims in the other chassis picture with chain travelling to the modules to drive the wheels. Inside, there are just bevel gears going from the vertical shaft to the shaft the higher side sprocket is mounted on.

Ice Berg 11-04-2008 01:45

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I'm considering a swerve drive for next year, but I've been having trouble finding hex shaft and sprockets that match. The only place I really know to look is McMaster. Where did you guys get yours?

hillale 11-04-2008 08:54

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Originally Posted by Ice Berg (Post 734767)
I'm considering a swerve drive for next year, but I've been having trouble finding hex shaft and sprockets that match. The only place I really know to look is McMaster. Where did you guys get yours?

We had a local sponsor make us custom 7068 aluminum hex shafts to fit the sprockets.

sdcantrell56 11-04-2008 13:29

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I am using 2 cims into a custom gearbox per side. It is a single speed transmission. Also the best way to get sprockets to match hex is to buy plain dore sprockets and broach them into a hex. Hex stock shaft is very cheap and can be bought at mcmaster.

AdamHeard 11-04-2008 13:32

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Originally Posted by sdcantrell56 (Post 734959)
I am using 2 cims into a custom gearbox per side. It is a single speed transmission. Also the best way to get sprockets to match hex is to buy plain dore sprockets and broach them into a hex. Hex stock shaft is very cheap and can be bought at mcmaster.

However, 7068/7075 hex shafts that some teams are using have to be custom made.

sdcantrell56 11-04-2008 13:37

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Is 7068 or 7075 really necessary for a hex shaft that is short in length and supported on both ends. I would think that it would be plenty strong enough since you dont have to worry about a keyway.

AdamHeard 11-04-2008 16:28

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Originally Posted by sdcantrell56 (Post 734966)
Is 7068 or 7075 really necessary for a hex shaft that is short in length and supported on both ends. I would think that it would be plenty strong enough since you dont have to worry about a keyway.

I really doubt 6061 hex shaft would hold up in that situation; I haven't run the numbers, but I doubt it would work well in a place like the shafts in a drive.

Ice Berg 12-04-2008 00:14

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In the picture above, of the module with a blue wheel, I was wondering how those sprockets drive the shafts. It doesn't look too me like they're hex, or keyed.

Aren_Hill 12-04-2008 00:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice Berg (Post 735331)
In the picture above, of the module with a blue wheel, I was wondering how those sprockets drive the shafts. It doesn't look too me like they're hex, or keyed.

Right behind that snapring you see is a 1/2" hex followed by a step of 1/2" round for a bearings then it steps down to 3/8" hex for the wheel then at the very end it turns into 3/8" round for another bearing and snapring.

Ice Berg 13-04-2008 00:09

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Well, my team doesn't have the machining capabilities to make a shaft like that, however, I thought about it and I think I've found a simpler solution in terms of machining. Instead of lathing anything on the hex shaft, we would use a 3/8" shaft all the way through, and where we needed bearings (on either side of the module) we would make a sort of bushing whose inside would be broached to a 3/8" hex, and whose outside would be a 5/8" dia. circle. This way we could put a hex shaft through the center and use a 5/8" bearing around the outside, and snap-rings to hold it all in place.

sdcantrell56 13-04-2008 00:36

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That method would definitely work although bigger bearings are more expensive and its heavier but if thats how you have to do it then by all means use that method. It will definitely work and would be less labor intensive.


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