Re: Highest Seed Statistics?
 

i think it depends on the game also. At championships this year, the leveling affect would be much greater, if there were 3 track balls. Why? The 8th seeded team could pick the "best" 3rd alliance partner who would hurdle also. BUT, since the game only has two track balls, the #1 seed could take who they want (assuming they are a great bot themselves) and meet the needs of offensive potential of the game. The disadvantage they would have in the 3rd alliance pick would be diminished. Plus, at CMP, with better robots in general, the pool wont be so thin because its not pivotal that they get a robot that can hurdle. Nice, but not necessary.

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Totally agree. Like you said, the first pick would fulfill all of the offensive scoring potential and ipso-facto the third robot can either be another hurdler or a lapbot (but let's not get into that argument again:p We have other threads for that).

Re: Highest Seed Statistics?
 

It would be interesting if FIRST were to use a reverse serpentine draft, giving the first pick to the 8th seeded alliance and the 8th and 9th picks to the 1st seed, etc. Would that balance the problems with so many top seeds winning?

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That would defeat the purpose of being #1 seed now wouldn't it?

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You could say the same in other sports, like Rick was saying. All the drafts in sports have the worst team get the first pick, although I suppose with only 2 rounds to draft that probably would make a bigger difference :P
And technically, this allows the number 8 team to either get a shot picking another top 8 team to work with, or force the team to deny and not get to team up with another top 8 team later. I suppose it does cause a little too much tipping of the scales :rolleyes:

Re: Highest Seed Statistics?
 

well sean... i can tell you (at least from what i remember) a grand total of zero of our regionals won were from the number one seeded alliance (pre-serpentine). in fact, i think that this year at peachtree was the first time we won on a #1 seeded alliance. so... we wont contribute to the statistics:D

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Did you see the thread about throwing matches?

Re: Highest Seed Statistics?
 

What "problems"? Top seeds are expected to win! That's how they got to be ranked high in the first place.

An upside-down draft could cause problems, as teams might be tempted to scheme to lower their ranking for a better picking position.

Re: Highest Seed Statistics?
 

Well obviously the best seeded teams are expected to do very well, but we saw a lot of dominating performances by the top seeds. That was what Kim was trying to figure out, if it was just the game favoring the top seeds, or whatever it could be.
I was just speculating there, I wasn't trying to suggest that FIRST switch the way the drafts work. :o As it has been pointed out, there are several problems with that that could cause teams to try and drop a match to get a better draft pick.

So anyways, I would like to see the data from pre-serpentine and find out if it's the draft or the game that causes domination by the top seeds.

Re: Highest Seed Statistics?
 

I would have to say that it is the game that causes domination by the top seeds. Last year's game, any team could win the match no matter the seed because if you could get a rampbot that fit both ur scorers perfectly then it wouldnt matter because 60 points is better than 5 tubes in a row. 8th seed has best pick ramp bot wise.