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riskkeeper205

21-04-2008 15:09

Trading Cards

So on the last night in Atlanta some of the Cheesy Poofs were discussing the possibility of starting FIRST Trading cards with all the FRC teams that participate throughout the season.

We figured that there would be a card for each team for each year and on the card would be: Team name, team number, a picture of that year's robot, rookie year, and where they are from. I was wondering about anyone's thoughts about this idea.

Carlee10

21-04-2008 15:26

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YES. That's all that needs to be said. Make up packs and sell them at regionals, and money goes to scholarships or something good like that. I would totally shell out the cash for that. What about ones with Dean Kaymen and Woodie Flowers on them? Or possibly, might I say it, Andy Baker???

Lil' Lavery

21-04-2008 15:30

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Originally Posted by riskkeeper205 (Post 740324)

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...=trading+cards

A handful of teams have been making them for a few years, but it hasn't caught fully on yet.

Protronie

21-04-2008 15:32

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I think its a great idea... having a card showing a good pic of each robot and a pic of the team with team stats would make a awesome scouting tool esp if the card were of a high quality.

I would start with teams/robots first then if they go well move onto individual players with their stats like baseball player card.

Wouldn't it be awesome to see a pack of FIRST robotics trading cards in the checkout line with the baseball ect... cards. :D

-p :cool:

If this happens I guess I'll have to commit to a team... I want a Protronie card!

lasereyes

21-04-2008 15:38

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Our team made trading cards and passed them out at our regional rather than buttons. They were actually pretty cool. Check it out.

Aren_Hill

21-04-2008 15:40

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Our team also had trading cards with essential info on them, quite nice really

jill399

21-04-2008 15:41

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Originally Posted by Water Bandit23 (Post 740343)

What about ones with Dean Kaymen and Woodie Flowers on them?

Team 399 made Science and Technology Hero Cards and passed them out at LA and at Atlanta, with Dean Kamen and Woodie Flowers being numbers 1+2. We might be able to send you a full deck if you email us (team399@gmail.com).

commodoredl

21-04-2008 15:51

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Team 2228 asked all the teams at the Finger Lakes regional to submit a picture and stats for their robot, and they made trading cards for each team's robot that were given to each team. People also could get bonus cards with things like Dean or Woodie or "Mentors" on them, and I think there was a prize for getting all the cards.

Ericgehrken

21-04-2008 16:03

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Team 195 has been doing trading cards for 3 years now. I like to thing of it as a pin with team info on it.

Nawaid Ladak

21-04-2008 16:13

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awsome.. i would love to have a ultra-rare simbotics world championship holographic trading card, a thunderchicken's one wouldn't be bad either

having mentors on the cards would be awsome, maybe having special cards with epic alliances on them, like last years pink-swamp-beast
this is a GREAT idea

EDIT, add maybe MC's like Karthik's invisable bycycle and Mark Leon's Judo...

DarkFlame145

21-04-2008 17:24

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Originally Posted by Water Bandit23 (Post 740343)

At the FLR cougertech (2228) made cards of all the teams that where at FLR.

riskkeeper205

22-04-2008 01:04

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I would start with teams/robots first then if they go well move onto individual players with their stats like baseball player card.

Wouldn't it be awesome to see a pack of FIRST robotics trading cards in the checkout line with the baseball ect... cards.

That's exactly what we were thinking, i.e. like baseball cards.

I also like the idea of selling them and giving the proceeds to benefit something. For those of you that have tried this before how did you get quality pictures of each team to put them on the cards? Did you take the pictures yourselves during the regionals or did you ask them to send you pictures?

Suspect_Deezy

22-04-2008 01:23

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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LETS DO IT!!!!!

dtengineering

22-04-2008 01:56

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While lots of teams produce their own trading cards, I think the idea here is to have them produced for ALL teams, and perhaps sold in packs of ten random cards, for sale at events.

So if a trading card is .8mm thick and there are 1,500 teams in FRC (well... more next year, but let's say 1,500) then a complete set of cards would stand 1.2m high.

The catch would be getting the photos submitted and cards printed in time for regionals. For instance, our robot did not have decals on it until we got to Portland, and then changed out one manipulator when we got to Seattle.

But now we have good photos.

So perhaps it would make sense to sell the 2008 cards at the 2009 regionals. It will still be difficult, however, to get quality photos of all 1,500 teams, but even if only half the teams submitted photos it would be kind of fun, especially as teams traded and swapped to get "their own" cards. For once I would feel sorry for 1114 as their robot would be likely to be in wee bit higher demand than ours!

Jason

P.S. Just an addendum... as the discontinuation of the "Behind the Design" series of books shows, FRC is still not quite "big" enough to support some of the commercial ventures of professional sports. Something like this would require a careful business plan if it were intended to generate revenue.

Nawaid Ladak

22-04-2008 11:51

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Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 740892)

im thinking we should sell the 2008 cards at the 2008 off season events, and local 2009 kickofs, and at the regionals, if there were extra manufactured, then the remaining can be sold at championships. this way, we can get some rare cards made, ie: CCA winner cards or cards for other awards at championships etc.

CameraManWill

22-04-2008 11:58

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It'd be nifty if we got pictures of just the bots at certain events, or one person from each event too high quality pictures and sent them into one place and cards were made.

It'd be an interesting concept to pull through

Joe Matt

22-04-2008 12:41

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Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 740892)

What I'm thinking is maybe having certain teams from certain years, not every team from every year. Think of opening a pack and finding a 71 from 2002, 365 from 2005, and 111 in 2003? Similar to how you can get baseball player's xxx year card, we can do that with teams here. Same with mentors/volunteers/important people in FIRST, I mean who wouldn't want to have a Karthik or Copioli trading card mounted on their wall?

Alan Anderson

22-04-2008 13:27

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Originally Posted by Joe Matt (Post 741072)

Same with mentors/volunteers/important people in FIRST, I mean who wouldn't want to have a Karthik or Copioli trading card mounted on their wall?

Or on their dart board? :eek:

riskkeeper205

22-04-2008 14:07

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This was the general idea, to eventually have a pack of the cards include other years (like the 254 rookie year ;) ). I think it would make sense to only sell them at Nationals and get all the pictures from the different regionals instead of selling them at all of the regionals, because i know that our team didn't show any pictures until our first regional (trying to keep it a secret) and even then it wasn't fully done until the finals of our second regional.

Also where would we get these pictures from, whether we would have each individual team submit a series and someone picks one, or if we get them from a site like thebluealliance.net, we could also get one person (like a volunteer or something) assigned to each of the 41 regionals who is responsible for taking the pictures of all the teams at the regoinal and giving the pictures to whoever is going to make the cards.

Rick TYler

22-04-2008 14:16

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Paper is SO 19th century. How about e-Trading Cards? We could use <some online technology> to create decks of cards that people could "trade" and show off. Anyone remember hypercards? Something like that, only online. The E-TC would have some kind of serialization so that if you traded one, it would disappear from your storage folder and appear in the new owners'. By only trading registered and serialized cards, rarity and trading would be protected from copying (which would spoil the fun anyway). I wonder if some DRM scheme could be easily adapted to this? A quick interface development project and a hosting site, and some of you would be the next Google. Please save me 1% of the stock, OK?

CameraManWill

22-04-2008 15:40

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Originally Posted by Rick TYler (Post 741117)

The online card thing has been done with MTG before, as to the serialisation, it'd still be important to have them in real life too, simply because you can have Regional/National Exclusive cards.

riskkeeper205

22-04-2008 18:32

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I don't know about all of you but I'd rather physically hold a trading card than look at it on a computer screen. I like the idea but I'd still rather use paper.

NickE

22-04-2008 19:25

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The e-Trading Card idea is great and all, but I think that paper cards would be much better.

They would provide something physical for teams to hand out and for somebody to collect.

If you're at a regional or the championships, you can physically trade cards with someone else, just as one could trade shirts, buttons or other collectable items that teams hand out.

This wouldn't work out so well at the regionals and the championships as many FIRST events have no public internet access.

Jreed129

22-04-2008 20:30

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if you would want to do this by each year you could have every team take a High res image of their robot when it gets back from Nationals and hand them out throughout the whole 2009 season and start all over again.

or you could just have championship robots from each year. the people that won at the championship and the chairmen award winning teams

riskkeeper205

22-04-2008 20:35

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ya but i don't like the idea of being one year behind. But honestly I think that is the best way of doing it.

Jreed129

22-04-2008 20:39

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Originally Posted by riskkeeper205 (Post 741365)

ya but i don't like the idea of being one year behind. But honestly I think that is the best way of doing it.

odds are that it will be the only way to complete everything unless you just aim to release them at Nationals every year and send people to every Regional taht year to get the pictures

fluffy

22-04-2008 20:47

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FIRST, the trading card game, sounds catchy

each team could get a card with offense and defensive ranges and then you could make alliances and verse each other, there could be special cards(dead battery, overdrive, coach has a bad day etc) would be interesting

riskkeeper205

22-04-2008 23:19

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i agree, once we get the trading cards off the ground then we can start looking at a card game ;)

NickE

23-04-2008 19:20

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Originally Posted by riskkeeper205 (Post 741476)

once we get the trading cards off the ground then we can start looking at a card game

Yes, but if you ever plan on turning it into a card game, you should have the stats (as fluffy suggests) on the cards from the beginning.

riskkeeper205

23-04-2008 19:23

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So wat kinds of things would any one sugest then

NickE

23-04-2008 21:04

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well, you could do a number of things for the cards
some stats and a picture

then for the card game...

you could roll dice or something to get this robot's contribuition to the score (you could have a chart or something with like average and max contribuition including penalties (example: if you roll a 4, then you get 30 pts) etc.

figure the rest out from there...

commodoredl

23-04-2008 21:38

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As modifiers to the score, you could use the robot's OPR and DPR perhaps.
Maybe a game could be played where you have one robot as "your team's" robot. You could either draw random robots from a deck of robot cards for alliances (for qualifier matches) or draft them (as in the elims) and can play cards that would affect the outcome (opponent tips, G22 penalty, etc.) from your hand, and as was mentioned roll a die or use a random modifier to determine the score. This might also be a game where more than 2 people should play, if you want to really have the alliance thing going. Like a 3 on 3 game?

zachjo

23-04-2008 22:20

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trading cards with robots would be awsome. It would be the best thing since Pok'emon lol

footballguy

24-04-2008 19:23

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Ok or instead of a card game what if we made a fantasy league for robotics. Pick all of your teams in a draft after the game comes out but before regionals begin.

riskkeeper205

24-04-2008 19:39

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we can do both :rolleyes:

commodoredl

24-04-2008 21:04

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Fantasy FIRST already exists in some form on these forums, actually.

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