Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

yes, if you get me the lists in the morning. I could also prep for three on Monday.


edit: if given the list on Sunday.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Slight revision:

• Saturday, normal. Release tiers/events for Sunday.
• Sunday, three drafts. Release tiers for Monday.
• Monday, 2-3 drafts. Depends on response. One will probably be early, regardless.
• Rest of week, 2 drafts/day. At some point, one or two or more volunteers run one or more drafts.
• As scheduled, with any later revisions. New drafters help greatly here.

If you're interested in running drafts, say something either here or via PM. I should note that it takes me about an hour to set up for a draft, and I usually have the randomized list ready before I start. (I have three right now, ready to go.) Then, of course, there's the time in the draft and the post-draft cleanup. Figure about 2-3 hours total, plus any randomizing time.

Right now, the question is, How many drafts on Monday? Current consensus is 2, and any more depends on when the tiers are released. If there is strong disagreement on this, speak up!

One note to all participants: There is no rule saying that you can't send in all your lists at once (some people already have, in fact). So if you want to deluge us with lists, go ahead.:] You don't have to wait for tiers to be announced.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

M, W, F, S, S, are almost impossable for me to do, because I am working on those days usually

the best bet would be something along the lines of 3 drafts during the weekend and 2 drafts per night, one starting at 7PM EST and another starting at 7PM PST I think taht would be the best way to make it work, for the weekends, maybe 1, 4, and 7 PM EST would be great

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Work is one reason this discussion started--I only know that I'll probably (99% chance) be working after next week, and the way work is scheduled, who knows when I'll be available. (That, and having the week after Christmas be my jury duty week, when my schedule could go south at any time...)

I'll think about those times. What will probably happen is that two drafts are at the normal time (7 PM EST) and one is either earlier (say, 4:30 - 5PM EST) or later (say, 9 PM EST).

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I am fine to run drafts on the days I mentioned, I am not sure about keeping up switches after the initial drafting. I think two drafts a day monday-friday, three on saturday and sunday. I do suggest that when you have a schedule to release it.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

i am fine with running drafts any day, but please consider the time differences.

i can do them at say, 10 pm Israel, and that is 3 pm for you guys...
is that ok, if yes, i'd be happy to help, plus i did one or two drafts last year so i think i remember how it goes...

Pittsburgh random list & other things
 

The weekend schedule:
Dec 13Peachtree Regional , Pittsburgh Regional (both at 7:00 PM EST)
Dec 14Silicon Valley Regional , Wisconsin Regional, Israel Regional (Time TBD--will depend on who does them and when they're open.)



I'll have to review the rest of the schedule and talk it over with Ed and anyone else running drafts. Someone should post it sometime before Sunday night's draft(s).


Pittsburgh random list

2172
128
1249
337
1367
1629
2279
2399
2051
869
306
2010
48
440
291
2544
63
222
3062
2656
2407
2835
2901
2534
2644
3108
2641
1708
2428
2618
2252
1743
117
302
1990
1218
2614

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

2967
2420
2655
1414
590
2038
2362
1788
832
34
1439
1877
2119
900
57
3091
2007
1683
2958
1533
2918
2974
1648
1002
281
1102
1746
1127
342
1261
343
2983
1758
1319
442
1795
2415
1304
2393
1311
1771
547
1415
1999
1848
2887
587
1398

Revised schedule
 

SDec 13Peachtree Regional , Pittsburgh Regional
SDec 14Silicon Valley Regional , Wisconsin Regional , Israel Regional
MDec 15Arizona Regional , Cass Tech District Competition
TDec 16Bayou Regional , Boilermaker Regional
WDec 17Chesapeake Regional , Lansing FIRST Robotics District Competition
TDec 18NASA VCU Regional , Detroit FIRST Robotics District Competition
FDec 19Philadelphia Regional, St. Louis Rgional
SDec 20 Waterloo Regional
SDec 21 Colorado Regional
MDec 22 Connecticut Regional
TDec 23 Greater Toronto Regional
WDec 24 Hawaii Regional
FDec 26Las Vegas Regional , West Michigan FIRST Robotics District Competition
SDec 27Lone Star Regional ,Troy FIRST Robotics District Competition
SDec 28Microsoft Seattle Regional , Palmetto Regional
MDec 29Sacramento Regional
TDec 30SBPLI Long Island Regional
WDec 31Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional
FJan 2Minnesota North Star Regional


All drafts will take place at 7:00 PM unless stated otherwise in their threads. It's looking like two events will be early in the next two days, but I don't know which two.

Silicon Valley random list
 

2643 971
840
2141
253
581
604
1834
1967
668
2813
115
256
987
8
359
1280
1700
841
846
2489
192
670
3045
1351
766
2035
2473
254
1868
114
1560
692
100
3022
2135
1458
2144
2367
649
1641
852
2628
1516

Israel randomized
 

1957
3086
3089
1952
3073
1573
1942
2650
2219
1937
1955
1944
3075
1690
1577
1954
2672
1578
3034
3094
3065
1573
2257
2212
3084
2214
3077
2230
2217
3083
3064
3088
2231
3076
1946
3063
2669
3052
1657
2211
2215
3092
1576
1580
1949
1943
3087
2630
1574

2009 Wisconsin Regional Rankings
 

1103
1091
2946
2506
706
2574
1739
2817
2709
1259
1816
1732
2077
1714
2500
2338
1850
2538
2549
2202
2826
2970
2530
2116
2194
1864
1736
930
2481
2022
1716
1024
93
447
1652
120
171
2547
1268
2830
2437
2062
141
1755
1306
1781
167
269
2364
3110
1675
1625
537

Re: 2009 Wisconsin Regional Rankings
 

If you do not know yet, I am running the drafts for Israel. This is a warning that if you did not send me your list, I cannot put it into effect. I have some from Eric and Ed but do not expect them to do all of the legwork if you want your choices.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I understood we would be doing 3 regionals today, but when did we decide to do them before 7:00?

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Schedule issues for one of the runners.

FYI, one of tomorrow's will be at 6:00 EST. (I have a meeting at 9:00 EST, and need to eat first.) This is the only other off-normal one that I know about. Which one will be released after the rest of today's drafts.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

There are way too many events nowadays. LOL :yikes:

Cass Tech random list
 

Just wait till next year, Elgin.

Cass Tech will be starting at 6:00 PM EST due to a minor schedule conflict. The random list for it is below.

2627
247
1213
469
453
1250
1998
3002
515
2048
3069
2224
3096
406
1941
2050
519
1701
2673
903
2431
2676
308
123
2832
67
240
2719
1528
503
2137
1856
326
217
2851
280
3095
3098
313

Arizona Regional Rankings
 

1324
3014
1164
2403
498
1013
1726
1290
60
2662
1388
2844
3019
842
1798
2840
3048
69
1212
996
2837
2406
2414
2413
2570
2839
2478
2196
2647
2613
1828
991
2657
1633
2134
39
1492
2375
2128
1165
698
2449
2486
2102
1852

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Perhaps next year we'll have enough events to justify one big draft at the beginning, where you pick, say, 10 teams and play N in any given weekend. That could be discussed next year though.

2009 Bayou Ragional Rankings
 

2173
1477
2183
2080
2873
1345
1920
348
2975
462
653
2242
2078
2992
1927
3039
1550
2091
2815
2540
1421
49
499
2556
832
364
2221
2983
2206
456
624
2920
1912

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I've got a hunch that might not work. You'd have to have N of the teams you have playing on that weekend. Roughly a total rethink of the FF system, not that that's a bad thing.

What would be better would be Brandon having more free time (or some help) to get the automated system working. (Yes, there is at least one automated system in the works. No, I don't know when it'll be done.)

Boilermaker random list
 

2040
2081
111
447
868
2749
2171
2867
1741
1501
2360
1529
1018
234
829
1024
45
1760
1646
135
1555
393
1720
2197
2909
292
1327
2368
1000
1747
461
2783
554
2856
451

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

You know, i was actually thinking this idea last night... in Fantasy Football or any other sports, teams have bye weeks or some teams play more games than the othen other teams.

I don't see why this can't be done, it might be complicated at first as to how to deturmine how we are going to do this, but im willing to come up with a system that can make it work; ie

for week 3
Lineups must be PM'ed to Koko and Eric by 7PM EST Wednesday night. same with add/drops (those can be posted or PMed but have to be done before 7PM Wednesday)... I can see something like this working

one huge draft would be awesome

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Or, for a more practical version: You draft a total of x teams (where x is less than or equal to the number of events times 3) for a given week. 6 drafts. Any team competing that week is up for grabs. 'Cause trust me, you DON'T want to have to make sure a certain number of teams in a given list are in fact competing that week. I had enough headaches last year with the normal "shuffle" of teams not showing up or managing a last-minute event switch.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

In every major sport all teams play the same number of games over the course of a season. A bye week in Fantasy Football is quite different than the situation that would occur here because a bye week is only one week. Making lists for such a format would be pretty much impossible, you would have to have a live draft. A live draft of this magnitude would be nightmarish without an automated system to keep track of the teams and allow players to search the teams remaining.

Eric's idea would be quite a bit more manageable.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

When the season long fantasy first idea was first created, it was similar to what you are suggesting. We picked 4 teams and had their scores average based on the number of regionals they attended. The only problem with this is that it took forever to score and there was faulty data for some regionals.

2006, run by Billfred

2007, run by Koko Ed (won by yours truly)

I loved the way these drafts were run and I would love to see a return to this system, I would help someone run it if they would do the scoring.

Looking ahead to after the drafts
 

I was already thinking about doing this, but...

After the season (or maybe after Kickoff), I was thinking of putting a poll out to see how the drafting process was and if there were any improvements that could be made. In hindsight, we can always think better, can't we? So at that time, a thread is put out with some questions and the more answers come in, the better. Or you could ask why something was done the way it was and get a straight answer.

Also, after all the drafts are over and the dust has settled, I plan to publish the Excel spreadsheet with everyone's picks. It's a big one, but I think that having 30 pairs of eyes looking for errors/double picks instead of just one or two will virtually eliminate scoring-time random picks. It will certainly be published again after all regionals are complete for score-checking and draft-positioning purposes.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

If you guys want to start up a league like that feel free. This is the kind of league I want to do.This the kind of league I am doing right now. I'm not interested in doing any other kind of league.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Chesapeake Regional Rankings
 

467
2791
2641
1884
2053
287
1748
2849
1886
2866
2448
229
1418
527
1389
1933
53
1893
203
611
686
7
2377
1230
40
2016
339
2546
1626
2079
134
2234
2199
1446
1719
1195
190
1980
449
1111
379
166
2528
1727
2132
2534
888
1656
2537
303
1511
2458
1640
836
75
614
752
768
191

Lansing random list
 

830
1940
2586
1502
27
894
468
1918
494
70
2337
518
288
216
123
2015
74
2611
1677
2767
2145
2617
2163
67
2474
1504
1
245
1188
94
3114
1023
1896
1711
3098
470

Detroit random list
 

2960
406
2224
3119
835
3002
3096
3097
3115
2048
440
240
2431
3069
1602
815
313
280
1189
2591
519
818
66
201
903
515
226
65
1025
1856
2719
1998
2620
910
2050
2834
1528
2612
548

Re: [FF]: 2009 VCU Regional Rankings
 

1095
977
1222
2106
619
2107
88
2434
3079
1655
2402
2988
843
1033
2108
1413
1908
1236
116
422
1539
2998
2028
1598
975
620
122
617
346
384
2642
612
1793
435
1262
1885
2363
1915
1895
2640
1829
2074
540
414
388
1522
1541
1086
1907
2186
401
3072
1900
1599
1137
2068
405

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I got annoyed trying to remember which page the draft schedule was on, hope you don't mind me reposting it so it's easier to find.

SDec 13Peachtree Regional , Pittsburgh Regional
SDec 14Silicon Valley Regional , Wisconsin Regional , Israel Regional
MDec 15Arizona Regional , Cass Tech District Competition
TDec 16Bayou Regional , Boilermaker Regional
WDec 17Chesapeake Regional , Lansing FIRST Robotics District Competition
TDec 18NASA VCU Regional , Detroit FIRST Robotics District Competition
FDec 19Philadelphia Regional, St. Louis Rgional
SDec 20 Waterloo Regional
SDec 21 Colorado Regional
MDec 22 Connecticut Regional
TDec 23 Greater Toronto Regional
WDec 24 Hawaii Regional
FDec 26Las Vegas Regional , West Michigan FIRST Robotics District Competition
SDec 27Lone Star Regional ,Troy FIRST Robotics District Competition
SDec 28Microsoft Seattle Regional , Palmetto Regional
MDec 29Sacramento Regional
TDec 30SBPLI Long Island Regional
WDec 31Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional
FJan 2Minnesota North Star Regional

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

You weren't the only one that didn't like looking it up every day/night.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I was lucky #7! Someone had it in a quote. As a side note, I'm out of town all of next week and will only have internet for the 2nd half of it -- is it ok if I send all of next week's lists in this weekend?

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I usually send all my lists 3-4 days before the draft, so you can do that...

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Send as many lists as you want. There's at least two people who have all their lists in already (as in, before the season).

Your Attention Please!
 

The following player will receive a warning PM tonight if they don't show up for the draft:

Stephi Rae

Again, if there is no list or pick in response to the PM, the player will be booted from the league and all teams that the player has will be up for grabs.

(Leading off both drafts--there's a really good reason to show up!)

Re: [FF]: 2009 Philadelphia Regional Rankings
 

1370
618
104
84
1791
11
896
87
2559
250
395
1391
1153
484
223
2729
357
103
809
1279
2539
708
2607
1027
56
365
486
1089
1403
272
423
834
341
1634
225
2229
378
1495
2554
433
222
284
224
1507
304
293
539
321
709
509
1923
816
316
1143
1647

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I don't mean to knock those running FF this year, but think a new system would be really nice.

I was originally signed up, but decided to back up because it was simply too much work. I want to do a FF, but having a draft every night is simply too much work. Also, I know on average 15 teams per regional so ranking every team, for me atleast, seemed kinda like a waste. I may get one team I know, but after that it would basically be random and thus my chances of winning would be almost based on chance. I know it was touched on earlier, but I find the way it is run now very confusing and unorganized. I still haven't found the rules and how points are decided. I think this may be a good system, but there are just too many regionals. With the amount of regionals increasing, I think this system will eventually be nearly impossible.

My proposal:
I like the idea of drafting a set number of teams at the beggining of the year and then 'playing' only a couple each week. One problem of this would be one massive draft. So, instead of having one huge league, have a couple smaller leagues (10 or 20 people). You could run them like soccer and have teams move up or down the leagues based on how they did the past year (the first year would be random, but the next year the top 10 teams would be in league 1, the next 10 in league 2...and new teams placed in the last league).

It would work something like this (the numbers probably will have to be slightly altered): If you had 50 people that want to play, you split them up into 5 leagues of 10. Each team would draft 20 teams. You could have 1 round per night for 20 days in december. 200 teams would be drafted (so people shouldn't be stuck with some random rookie team that they know nothing about). Each week at 7 pm on Wednesday, each owner will pick 3 teams to play that week (to make it easier, you could make it impossible for owners to drop/pickup teams). At the end of each week and at the end of the year, points will be tallied and after the championship event, a winner is announced. As the end of the 2nd year, the top 2 teams move up a league, while the bottom two teams move down. (so the best play the best and the owner that wins the top league, is the true FF champion). Since it appears there are several people that are interested in helping, one person could be in charge of each league.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

If you want to know the rules, all you have to do is ask. We don't care how big the lists are, just that they are present. (I know I'll take someone saying "Just give me random teams" as a list--the point is to show that you are still an active participant.) Points are awarded according to the FF standard system--2 points for a win, 1 for a tie, -2 for a loss, anywhere between 2 and 42 points for an award, depending on award; seeding has a slightly different range.

It will eventually be nearly impossible for humans to run this. There is a FF addition to CD in the works, but it's been that way for a while now. There is another system in the works as well.

I don't know if your system would work. I do know I wouldn't want to run it. However, as has been previously noted, if you don't like the current Season Long, make your own Season Long with your own rules and have fun.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

You do realize that research for the list is not hard, I chugged out all 40 or 50 something over thanksgiving break. Also you will not eliminate someone getting a rookie team they do not know, you still get someone at the bottom. I suggest you actually try and you will find this is not bad.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

This is simply one variation of FF, and it is most notably the one that takes the largest time dedication and most skill (especially since the rules have been revised since last year). It is, however, not the only league or the only way to run the game.

This is the only one that is run before the season actually begins, you can expect to see many the week before each regional. This is when more information is known for each team, and you can select which regional in which you would like to participate.

It is not the only form of scoring, the commissioner of the draft puts their own weights on awards.

Other variations to FF:

• Pick a limited number of teams for the entire season
• Pick teams for one regional
• "Free for all" style, where you post what three teams you want on a first come first serve basis, and no one else can pick the same combo.
• "Week long" where you are picking 2 teams for all regionals of that week at the same time

I enjoy participating in this style. It forces me to learn more about every team and every regional, and I know I am playing against some of the most dedicated and most informed scouters in all of FIRST. I believe this draft is being VERY well run and am stunned by its efficiency when there are only 2 people doing the entire thing. Are there mistakes? Sure, it is done by humans by hand. The more active a player is, the better one can help minimize mistakes. This is simply the League Ed started, chooses to run, by his rules. I signed up to play because I agree to those rules.

If I have time during the competition season, I may start a different "week long" league by my own rules, and perhaps recruit some help. If one would like to play by different rules, I encourage them to start his or her own league as well, heck I'll probably play if you do.




Now that is out of the way, it couldn't hurt to have this on page 17



By the way, I am in Oklahoma now, and have the time and willingness to help if needed.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Again, I'm not saying this system is bad. I'm saying that you can get similar experence or enjoyment factor with a different system where you only pick 20 teams (opposed 150 or so). I also think more people will join if they only have to pick 20 teams. Maybe my proposal better for the causual fan, who doesn't want to create 50 lists or doesn't have the time, opposed to the hard-core fan. I just think this current system is too daunting and scares too many people, who probably would enjoy FF, away.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

And again I'm saying if people want to do it then they're free to do it. Just because I'm not doing it doesn't mean it's not going to happen, it just means I'm not interested in doing it.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Waterloo Regional Rankings
 

1305
2361
2634
2702
2427
781
1558
1565
854
2609
2935
2185
1075
2200
1450
1334
2809
1310
2076
1219
2056

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

This is about teams with registration later than the draft for a particular regional.

I think that in those cases, a first come first get base isn't quite fair.

Idea: go according to the draft, and only if all the people before a selected choice agree, it may go. This way, the draft remains even, though it's a lot of work, which i am willing to take.

Ed and Eric, it's your call.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I disagree, it should not be more work on the drafters if a team joins after the deadline. First come first serve treats everyone fairly because we can all look to see if a new team has joined. Any team that joins after the deadline but before the draft, like right now for the Waterloo Regional, should still be part of the draft.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I think first come first served is more than fair.
just make a point to check every once in a while to see if any new teams have joined any regionals, that's all.
Why would you think it's not fair?

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Btw, I may have missed this discussion (or forgotten) from the beginning, but what was the reason for having the lists all picked before Kickoff?
Just curious.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Because we all have more important things to do during build season.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

And it's more fun to do it off of previous rankings without any input of the mew game or any team's status. The only thing that could make it better is if the lists got locked January 2nd.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

That would suck if it got locked. lol
I need to go back & trade on some picks on nights I missed on one of these days.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Has Stephi Rae made a pick yet or is he booted?

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Stephi Rae has been dropped from the league due to chronic absenteeism.
Her picks are on a first come first served basis.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

thanks

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Is there a fast way to check if any new teams registered for a given regional?

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Know how many there were, subtract the number there are now, is the answer zero? that is also pronounced "no"

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Not that I know of. The old way FIRST used to list teams on the waitlist would have helped but now that's a big secret that they apparently think is nobody's business but their own. So outside of just realizing that there are more teams there and scanning over the ist for the new team there really is no way to know exactly who is there without a thorough investigation.
Yet another reason for an automatic interface.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

For those who have been complaining about this I ask you: When would you think you could get a good idea about a team? When they start posting an endless parade of vague spoilers? The best teams don't even let anyone see their robot til Thursday of the initial competition! Or days before the competition begins when everyone is busy prepping to go and don't have time to participate in a bunch of drafts.
Fantasy FIRST is not the NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL where the game is the same year after year after year. We get a whole new game with brand new machines made from scratch and we all have learned what looks good in the shop doesn't mean it's gonna perform on the field. So you're speculating anyways so you might as well do it in December whens there's nothing better to do while your waiting for kickoff (except for participating in the insane task of trying to figure out the game committees vexing riddles). So this is the best it gets guys. Deal with it.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I was asking myself the same question. It seems as if we gonna have a bunch of rookies this year in our regional but I can't figure out how many ....

:confused:

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Actually we were talking about teams that register to a given event late, not new teams to FIRST, new teams to a given regionals.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Any team over 2681 is a rookie this season :)

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

1377
1552
2410
2250
1584
1410
1361
1619
1303
2996
1691
2083
2972
1777
2036
2164
2226
1583
1799
1332
399
159
1348
1245
2240
2259
1977
1357
2711
2945
2859
207
1939
1515
2275
1157
1408
1339
443
2400
1987
662
1789
2261
233
1158
4

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Once again:

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Just to let you guys know ahead of time there most likely won't be a draft on Tuesday night because I will be traveling at draft time then and will not be able to get online in a consistent enough basis to run a draft.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

need someone else to do it?

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I am still willing to work, on tuesday I can do it at 7.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

If either of you want to take it on just PM me.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Ill be doing the GTR draft, so please send all your lists to me.
thanks

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

make it at 7pm EST, if you can't do it then someone else will have to, we all can't do a 1pm draft without notice again.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

no worries.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I will be taking Connecticut Regional tomorrow, posting info today, it will be at 7pm, send me your lists.

conneticut random lsit
 

1902
1493
236
549
195
1665
663
1784
1687
1073
157
1793
1740
173
230
241
558
3104
2862
2785
2877
2170
743
1592
2836
177
48
1071
694
2067
175
2064
237
2168
178
2497
1124
471
126
1100
2523
181
2265
500
1626
1991
176
61
121
999
1403
839
433
2228
228
335
95
1155
716

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I see that you are planing on doing the Michigan state championship the weekend before the event. Could that be like the Wednesday before so that we have a better idea of the team list, since there is a district competition the weekend before and teams could very likely get moved in or out based on the results of this competition and the ability for teams to be able to pay their entry fee.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

No because I will be traveling to Michigan that night.
I'll do it Monday.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I should be able to do it too, Ed.

GTR random list
 

GTR Random list:
1535
2056
1244
677
296
1558
1559
2852
1334
3117
2809
1404
854
1312
1126
188
1310
1141
1518
1846
2200
781
2185
2625
919
2386
1219
610
2935
2076
772
2994
2013
1053
2166
1006
1075
1246
1114
1872
1325
1482
2505
1815
843
1835
1547
771
1605
865
1241
1305
2198
1514
907
2670
886
2626
2361
1503

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

You'll do it on Wednesday then? If you can then we can do it on Wednesday.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Last I checked, I don't have anything that week other than classes, and those don't go that late. I can do it on that Wednesday.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Then it's a go. Wednesday it is.
I think it'll still have to be two leagues, even with 70 teams.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Yep, it will be.

(Unless more people drop out, but I don't foresee that.)

FYI
 

While it might not seem that trades take place because the revised lists aren't posted, I do have the scoring spreadsheet fully updated. Just because it isn't "officially listed" doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.

(The same goes for those who have been booted. I might not have gotten to the tier, but I still removed them from the scoring sheet.)

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Just reminding everyone that the GTR regional draft is scheduled for today, so please send all your lists to me.

Thanks.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Hawaii Regional Rankings
 

1920
2465
3008
2459
2628
2467
2437
2441
3105
2932
2455
2348
2032
359
2813
2439
2454
1834
2445
2444
368
2460
2629
2504
2438
2853
2896
2453
1859
2090
1138
2593
2477
1702
2443

Re: [FF]: 2009 Hawaii Regional Rankings
 

may i inquire in to the activity of 340x4xLife.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Hawaii Regional Rankings
 

He gave me lists for GTR.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Hawaii Regional Rankings
 

I've seen him quite alot recently. He's gotten alot better but he'll pass up on drafts occasionally.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

just to see it easier

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Who is running the draft tonight? Nothing has been posted yet.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Las Vegas Regional Rankings
 

687
1266
1197
1527
1540
2034
2139
2485
2484
988
1572
2061
2543
2339
1548
1883
2069
362
8
2984
1160
1631
1724
522
3006
2150
3011
2037
989
60
1538
1669
1703
585
1780
968
1013
1622
3009
2057
2520
254
473
987
330
973
980
294

Re: [FF]: 2009 Las Vegas Regional Rankings
 

I realize that Eric was going to have trouble this week, is that why the West Michigan FIRST Robotics District Competition draft didn't happen? Are you going to need more help?

Re: [FF]: 2009 Las Vegas Regional Rankings
 

If so, I could probably take something over this week.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I'm pretty much out of it for the rest of the drafting. Either work or family stuff interferes. I'll still be able to keep the official who-has-what-teams sheet, but I won't be able to run any drafts until the Michigan State Championship.

The other option is that the drafts are run at midnight EST or WAY earlier than normal. We can't have that now, can we?;)

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I don't mind taking one over. I am free on the 29th, 30th, and 2nd (pick one evening, family gets others)

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I am going to take the initiative to set out a schedule, if anyone has a problem or wants to help out pm me or post here.

SDec 27 West Michigan FIRST Robotics District Competition(Koko Ed)
SDec 28 Lone Star Regional(Koko Ed), Troy FIRST Robotics District Competition(me), Microsoft Seattle Regional(rocketperson44)
MDec 29 Palmetto Regional(Koko Ed)
TDec 30 Sacramento Regional(Koko Ed), SBPLI Long Island Regional(Barry Bonzack)
WDec 31Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional(Koko Ed)
FJan 2Minnesota North Star Regional(Koko Ed)

The Microsoft Seattle Regional(rocketperson44) can be moved to MDec 29 if there is a problem with 3 drafts in one day.

2009 West Michigan FIRST Robotics District Competition Rankings
 

2611
1940
322
141
2767
2246
2075
862
1254
33
2617
2771
503
216
2474
2245
2188
858
1502
74
904
2054
1718
2604
2405
703
1674
85
1243
288
518
2959
1918
2015
2645
548
1677
107

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

Long island, got it. Send in your pick lists!

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

I can take Seattle the 28th. The 29th might pose a problem, however.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Season Long FF
 

All volunteers have agreed, send in your lists.