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I would call it Jax in a Box.
Teams would start (spring) from a boxed and walled initial footprint just large enough for 3 machines.
Numerous standard sized blue and red Jax would be used as playing pieces. Pieces would be scored by placing them in boxes. Most boxes would be large enough for them to easily fit into (2 points), however each team would have a bonus box that the Jax would just barely fit into if oriented just right (10 pts).

As a bonus teams would have to fit their robots into a box just barely larger than the start configuration. 1 machine 5 points, 2 machines 10 points, 3 machines 25 points.

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Y'know, I really can't help it. I'm the lead programmer designing what could be the most awesome high-level autonomous setup; assuming I get it it done before January, I'll have to have something programmatically challenging to deal with.

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I like it.[seriously]
Did you send this to Dean? Cause you probably should, if they're running out of ideas.[/sarcasm]

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I am sure that either an FRC or FTC will or has done something like this. I think it would be a fun game to do the everybody crowd into a phone booth finish. Have the judges come out with the slider to see who is in and who is out of the box.

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But how would you know who put them in? Would you have jacks for your alliance? Or just jacks for everyone? or would you have to put the jacks into your teams "box?" I still think its a good idea.

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Red and Blue Jax. Think similar to Triple Play (one of my favorite games). Two loader stations. 1 people loader for the human player (disables the robot), and 1 Autoloader that the robot can get a game piece from the side of the field.

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If we are talking about Jacks, isnt there a ball involved in that game? Bring back the track balls and make us use them. Have a single trackball on the field, the field split into two halves. Only allow teams to score while the trackball is on their opponents half the field. Except for the last 30 seconds. If there is a rule about not being able to HOLD the ball (only bump) we wouldnt see teams shutting everyone out.

The benefit would be having two radically different pieces would mean students would learn that specialization is important. Also, it allow teams who can just make a box on wheels valuable in that they could control the ball.

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so what do you do when the ball's off the ground, say, being thrown over to the other side?

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Same thing you did in 06, defend, but in this case you try to get the ball on the other side.

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Ohhhh ... robotic Vollyball anyone?

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That sounds pretty cool, but not all the bots can play the game, they've got to have other ways to score also. That would be awesome!

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How about robotic frisbee golf?

(I think Ultimate Frisbee would be a little unreasonable and could lead to a LOT of damaged 'bots)

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rock'em sock'em robots, every robot has a bumper that can recognize contact. the robots run around trying to hit when you get hit you are disabled, last man standing wins

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slight problem: it's too much like battlebots. Where's the quiet strategy?

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I think of it almost as a dance: the combination of design strategy, game strategy, alliance strategy - all of it working towards the goal of playing the game well and executing beautifully, bringing out the ooohs and aaahs from everyone, including the teams involved. Very cool.

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Ball's in the air? Flew out of the arena? Free for all in scoring! Thinking back to the 2006 game, how about one robot being allowed to cross over to the other side for defense?

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Well, I suppose you could play a sort of musical chairs with the robots during that period

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so what will the auton consist of in these games?

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Arranging the chairs. Points for certain mathematical formations.
Wait, that would also be better as teleop. (and I wasn't originally thinking actual chairs)

Well, say you have a track around these "chairs", with jumps and hoops and targets along the way. It'd only be roughly related, but doable.
Alternately, you could use a cloverleaf track, and have the robots place traffic cones for guiding the robots during teleop. (In this case auto mode would be purely strategy).

Other than that, I'm not really sure. It wouldn't be very fun without an auto mode.

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Whatever they do this season, I really hope it's more fun for the audience to watch. Overdrive was nascar, but with less noise and wow. Rack and Roll was cool to watch, but hard to tell who was winning. Aim High: Now THAT wad golden. A blast to play, and a blast to watch. I hope we get something along those lines this season.

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It sense a growing trend that many think that the game this year will in some way involve stairs or climbing. I have seen some climber designs floating around and have been guilty myself of discussing possible designs focused around stairs.

I think it is one of the most realistic possibilities.

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Since I was a seven I've thought about how to design a forklift that could climb stairs yet still travel on level ground.

I suppose, to encourage very different designs, there could be a long spiral staircase with even steps, and a shorter, (somewhat) straighter one with varying step length.
For 2010, something requiring shock absorbtion would be fun (perhaps jumping robots?)!

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and 122 posts later...... its clearly not so quiet anymore=)

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Well, this sure turned out to be prescient, didn't it?

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stairs would be cool but complicated to a point

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Well, we heard a hint when we got our control system KOP:
Piranha

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what hint?

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Actually, just look in the General Forum http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

I suppose they're not really rumors if they're official.

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I think they should make the playing field a swimming pool filled with non-neutonian liquid.

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The game has already been announced

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Doesn't mean that we can't start dropping hints to the GDT for next year. :D