2009 Regional Registration Progress
 

This is sort of a continuation of Richard's thread from last year.

This morning team registration broke the 1000 barrier.
That's 10% ahead of last year at this same time.

5 resurrected veteran teams, so far.

107 new teams too with Texas and Oklahoma leading the recruiting.
New teams are rookies as well as those not judged by FIRST to be true rookies, such as 2707, 2715, 2719, 2828, 2852, 2858, and 2860.
Looks like another solid growth year even with the economic (hence sponsorship) problems.

Popular Regional destinations:
Doesn't count teams on waitlists for these events and there are a few registered teams that don't show up on the registered list yet.

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The Hawaii regional list should increase on the 2nd go around for additional signups. Curious as to who from the mainland will be attending though. :confused:

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wow i thought Florida would do better than that i know my team got a new team started #2797 what are the others

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That's great to see all the growth from all the new Texas teams. :)

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It is great to see the expansion of the FIRST community. Team 1261 would like to invite all new teams to attend the Peachtree Regional(which is literally 2 mins from our workshop) and the Palmetto Regional.

As for all of the returning teams, WELCOME BACK!!!

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I believe that Team 1884 is going to Chesapeake Regional. :)

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Just a footnote on the regional list.

The Microsoft Seattle Regional is going to have room for more teams. We will have final numbers in a few days. See my post in the Regional Competition section.

Kevin

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There is a new Florida team forming at Lyman High School in Seminole County, Team 2757 - Just Bad. Team 1902 has loaned them thier 2007 robot to modify and they will be participating in TNT next weekend.

I'd like to welcome all the rookie teams to FIRST. Hang on tight! It is a wild, crazy and fun ride that will impact your lives for decades to come.

Sarah

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It looks like FIRST has cleared a lot of the 1st regional waitlisted teams.
The published capacities jumped and a bunch of teams that I knew had registered, but didn't appear on the registered team list are now there and on the regional team lists.

Getting ready for tomorrow's open registration I see.

Just shy of 1300 teams, registration is almost 200 teams ahead of this time last year. including that rookie from Istanbul.

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team 1018 will be at Boilermaker Regional


See ya there!!!

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Here is a simple plot of the registration trends over the past several years.


Texas is running away with starting new teams followed by Washington.
197 New Teams (193 rookies, 4 non-rookies)
Popular Regionals:
The first week has four full regionals already, before 2nd regional registration opens.
Can't tell what the capacities of the Michigan **events are, and those totals below do include 120 twice counted MI teams attending their two district events.

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That was fast!

2nd event registration opened and vroom all available Championship slots were filled within 20 minutes.
One new team snuck onto the list, but was soon pulled by FIRST.

Many Regionals went quickly to their published max capacity too, although I'm sure many waitlisted teams will make it to the event of their choice.

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wow 65 for for wahsington! how come they have so many?

florida is second but i know we will have more

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Dang, 51 teams for Connecticut - quite a one day explosion. Can't wait.

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Yes, a lot of regular attendees used their first sign up for other events. Now it looks like the whole state of CT and some teams from all the other New England States will be there to welcome you. Looking forward to it!

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65 for DC??? I thought the official number was 58. Who are the 7 teams pending out of curiosity.

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Snapshot of registration as of 10/30/2008

As a side note, it looks like FIRST handled registration like they used to some years ago - first-signed up = first-registered in a second regional or at the Championships. For the past few years it had been first-paid = first-registered and you wouldn't show up on the team list until payment was received by FIRST, but this year you got on the registered list right away without having to pay beforehand. FIRST also did not accept pre-payment in advance of registering.

7 resurrected veteran teams. 4 took one year off and 3 took two years off.
I didn’t look to see how many old teams were given new team numbers, but there are 5 new teams that are technically non-rookies.

Where Teams are from in 2009
Regionals:
Capacity usually has more than these publicly listed slots available, but how many? Only the Regional Directors know for sure, and the waitlisted teams they may have spoken to.
New teams (including 5 technically non-rookies) are from:

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I changed it to reflect the official tally. Only FIRST knows who'll be allowed in from the wait-list. All the rookies are in, but I speculate that FIRST will pull from the wait-listed teams to fill out a final field of maybe 64/65 teams. It really depends on rented floor space in the venue for the pits, and of course teams willing to wait on the wait-list instead of trying elsewhere.

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who are the 7 resuracted teams?

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Last competed in 2006:
225 York, PA
977 South Boston, VA
1257 Scotch Plains, NJ


Last competed in 2007:
886 North York, Ontario
1452 Los Angeles, CA
1770 Chicago, IL
1856 Redford, MI

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As of this morning, we've reached Team 3000!

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The Washington D.C. Regional will be taking place at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center. According to the event list, Hall A, Room 204C, 206, and 304-306 were rented. Hall A has 151,000 usable square feet which is a lot of room compared with Trenton (32,500 square feet according to the website) or Chesapeake (80,000 square feet). There might, then, be space for additional teams or even an additional field.

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That's larger than the Connecticut Convention Center (140,000) and we only use about half of the space available.

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Not being familiar with the site, I'm guessing the following setup, based on my experience:

Hall A: Field/Pits
204C: Event Office
206: Judges' Room
304-306: Volunteer Room(for volunteer food, etc)

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We're halfway through the registration period, so I thought I'd look at who's missing.
Israel has the largest block of still unaccounted for teams, but on-the-whole they tend to always be late registering.


Missing veteran teams:

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Just saw that team 3011 from Germany has registered and is headed for Las Vegas.

So we have teams from ten countries: USA, Canada, United Kingdom, Israel, Brazil, Mexico, Turkey, Netherlands, Germany, and Chile.



P.S. on a side note...
New team 2715 has been renumbered 216
I suppose because it's a second team of existing team 288 at Granville high school

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Wh0s the team from IN so i can see whats up with them:cool:

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1766 from Columbus, IN
Columbus Area Career Connection High School
They seem to be a small team http://www.c4robotics.com/ of 10 or so students, but with plenty of mentors
about 45 miles or so from you.

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nice ill contact them and see if our team can help in any way:cool:

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team 38 is back and is 2836 :)

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New non-rookie Grandville MI Second Team was reassigned to an unused number, 216.

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Registration is at 1500 this morning, almost a month ahead of last year.
Every team from here on (less 1) is pure growth.

Still missing a little more than 17% of last year's veterans though.
So far, more new teams(250) than in 2006 (234), but not yet as many as in 2007 (264) or 2008 (320).
(For new teams I'm counting 248 FIRST defined rookies, including the reconstituted team 38, plus two new non-rookies--216 & 2828 )

Projecting the registration trend outward it seems we'll have ~170 more teams this year, so I conservatively predict 1670 total teams for the 2009 season.
An 11-12% growth over last year represents a small decline from the roughly 14-15+% growth experienced during the past three years. 2005 growth was only half this year's though. Some economic impact, but not as much as feared so far.

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An update on registration progress.
1557 teams-to-date
269 new teams (including 2 new non-rookies & what used to be team 38) - better than '07, not yet as good as '08
3.7% growth so far
15% of 2008 veterans are still missing (225)

12 veteran teams on hiatus that have come back (about the same as last year's 13)from:
-- (6) one year off
-- (5) two year's off
-- (1) four year's off
(There could be other teams out more than two year's. I just haven't taken the time to go through the rookies exhaustively)

New non-rookie team 2828 has been renumbered team 1729,
so now team 2702 and higher are all considered 2009 rookies.

Sort on the net gain/(loss) of teams (# new 2009 teams -minus- missing teams from 2008):
Country Codes are back...:)
Indiana has every veteran registered now.

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why did you abandon the #38?

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1600 teams right now and still growing...

Missing veteran teams are in the single digits in all areas except for:
California 19
and
Israel 16

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** sniff, sniff ** I liked 2828 ;)

But now it's on to BAE as 1729 ... and that means no rookies at BAE at all :ahh:
Looks like a fun event :D

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Currently at 1619.

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Good luck to all of the new and upcoming and old teams at the Pittsburgh regional including my old team 1708. :0 good luck guys:D

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We're past the 10% growth mark with 1652 teams as of this morning.
That's about a third off the average growth for the past three years.

The number of rookie teams (305) is off by 5% from last year, but still 15% better than in the 2007 season.

169 veteran teams from last year, however, are still missing and that's much higher than average, but maybe not as a percentage. Since registration isn't yet over and done with I expect more vets to register.
Right now we're missing a little over 11%. The average loss of veteran teams over the past three seasons has been 9.3%, but average loss over the past decade has been closer (10.4%).

We have at least 17 veterans return after not playing for a year or more.

Only a few days of registration remaining.

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You sound like you could do some ESPN-like segments for FIRST.

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General Registration is closed but there are always teams appearing and disappearing from the rolls as the dust settings and payments come due. Last year we ended up with a dozen more teams after registration closed.
Michigan also has an extra day (12/2) of registration so rookies are still showing up there.

1681 teams are registered (vs. 1501 in 2008)
314 new teams (vs. 320 in 2008) - includes a couple of non-rookies and a couple of resurrected vet teams.

180 team net gain (vs. 200 in 2008)
12% growth (vs. 15.4% in 2008)

Teams from 10 countries


23 prior vets returned who sat out a year or more (vs. 13 returnees in 2008)
A big Welcome Back to these teams:
Lost 10.26% (154 teams) of vets from 2009 (vs. 10.22% loss in 2008, 8.4% loss in 2007, 9.3% loss in 2006)
The good news is about 1% (like those teams above) return after a year or two off.

These are the areas where we may need to work on retaining and supporting faltering veteran teams, although some attrition should be expected:

Here is the net gain and loss for each area with the loss of veterans offset by the gain of new teams (or recovery of previously lost vets):
Here is where everyone is from this year. (These add up to 1688, the number now, @1:53pm, registered):
Events are full except for:
(1) Oklahoma City
(1) Florida
(7) Arizona
(10) Bayou
(18) St. Louis
(1) Waterloo
(7) Hawaii
(1) Minnesota

Don't know about Michigan District events though.

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I have nothing to add. :)

Thanks, Mark, for making the 2009 version of this thread informative and entertaining.

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At least I've entertained a few people.
It was hard to tell sometimes if I was just talking to myself or not, but I had fun sifting the data.
It'll be nice to have this stuff to look back on next year.

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Good stuff Mark. Great to see Kentucky finally see some growth.

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Even if we don't post, I'm sure there are a boatload of people like me who just lurk the thread every time you post.

In the future, this could sort of be used for statistics in podcasts and whatnot, make it sound official, like ESPN does with sports. :P
Thanks for the hard work, Mark! :)

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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mark McLeod again."

This is great stuff, Mark. Thank you for putting in the work for the rest of us.

Andy B.

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You guys say the nicest things.:)

I guess I'll post some more later when registration finally settles down around March...

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Okay, maybe I'll post sooner...

The Phillipines just added a team yesterday.
They'll be attending Hawai'i.

FRC: 3105

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Can anyone see something wrong with team 3116? Maybe that their rookie year is 2008?

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hehe, good catch.

Are these put in by people? or is it some database error?

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They are not entered as having attended a 2008 event, there was another team, number unknown, that was put as rookie in 2006 but didn't attend a 2006 event.

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1679 teams are now registered.
Net gain of 178 teams or 11.9%
(My projection halfway through registration was off by 9 teams, which only demonstrates how predicable this all is if you collect data.)

Lost 163 teams or 10.86%
but gained
322 new teams, 319 of them are considered rookies. (Teams 216, 1729, and 3116 are not rookies by FIRST's definition and got fake starting years based not on when the team first played, but when their member's first played on other teams).
The rookie team numbers for this year are 2702 to 3122.

The registration chart for 1992 through 2009 is posted in the CD gallery.

With events starting registration is still settling down though. One team just dropped out. These are the final random statistics.



21 Resurrected teams

• (10) sat out one year
• (9) sat out two years
• (1) sat out three years
• (1) sat out four years

FRC is represented by 11 countries:

• USA
• Canada
• Brazil
• Israel
• Chile
• Mexico
• United Kingdom
• Turkey
• Germany
• Netherlands
• Philippines

FRC has no teams in Nebraska or South Dakota this year.

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I suppose it never ends.
Team registration lost a rookie, and then there were 1678 teams.

Here's that registration chart:


It's also buried in the CD photos: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/33124

I'll post the spreadsheet as a white paper when I get time.

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And then there were 1677 teams...

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Mark,

Is the spreadsheet that supports the plot available somewhere, and would you be willing to share it?

My team is presenting at the CHP forums on team continuity planning, and this data would help them. Maybe just data for the last few years of -

"Starting Number" "New Teams" "Lost Teams" "Net Gain"

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Is this the kind of summary data you're looking for?
The original spreadsheet(s) are too large to upload here.
If you need data further back or different just let me know and I'll get you what I've got.

"New teams" include both rookies and those that FIRST doesn't consider rookies, but are newly formed teams none the less.

P.S.
See if this summary that DarkJedi613 produced last year is of any use.
It's a page with # of rookies for each year and retention rates. The row is the year you're looking at (i.e. the row 2006 refers to the 2006 season). Then each column is the number of teams (out of the original # of teams) that participated in that season. So for row 2006, column 2000: then 271 of the 372 teams from the 2000 season also participated in the 2006 season for a rentention rate of 72.849%.
http://www.team358.org/files/team_lo..._teams.php.htm

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I made a pass going through and cleaning up this summary data from how many teams drop out, how many come back, etc.
I liked Chris's approach to charting that data, so I've done the same with some variation.

I correlated team lists from 1992 onwards (early years from the Team 45 TechnoKats history project) and treated the teams as returned if the same high school or equivalent was involved. There are cases of teams splitting off into different team numbers that I haven't decided how to account for, so right now a new team number is treated as a new team, even for those few teams that just had their number changed for unknown reasons from one year to the next, e.g., Bay Shore HS in 1998, and 1999.
I also haven't walked the early teams all the way up to the present to catch those that returned 10 years later.


I'm hopeful we'll soon have the full spreadsheets posted on our website for others (all eight of you ;) ) to play with, use, and improve upon.

P.S.
You'll see that the total teams for several years are one or two off from FIRST's published totals. I decided to use totals supported by corresponding team lists to avoid counting teams that dropped out before actually competing. Some of FIRST's team totals appear to be propagated from tally's taken before team registration settled out, e.g., for 2009 FIRST listed 1686 teams because the count was from early January, but only 1677 teams were around for actual competition.

I also plan to update the pre-1998 team rookie year's. The current one's listed for the early year's are incomplete, possibly because FIRST had different early rules that defined when a team was "new." I'm just going to go by if the same educational institution (or equivalent) was involved. Originally FIRST identified teams and team continuity by the corporation or business that sponsored them, so my approach will yield different results for the 1990's.