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Koko Ed 24-04-2009 12:07

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Originally Posted by blackiceskier (Post 854513)
hey what about the thought of new york city in madison square garden? plenty of seating hotels a plenty and pit space

The $40 I had to pay to park @ the Javitt's center has clinched my disinterest in going to any more FIRST events in New York City.

Elgin Clock 24-04-2009 12:20

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The following are cities that offer an Airport to affiliated city train service just like Atlanta currently does.

This is the best thing Atlanta has over a lot of other cities in the past who have held The Championship Event in my opinion.

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Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_rail_link

I would be willing to bet if The Championship Event ever moved, it would be one of the cities listed above for just this very reason.

Rosiebotboss 24-04-2009 12:24

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Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 854574)
The following are cities that offer an Airport to affiliated city train service just like Atlanta currently does.

This is the best thing Atlanta has over a lot of other cities in the past who have held The Championship Event in my opinion.


Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_rail_link

I would be willing to bet if The Championship Event ever moved, it would be one of the cities listed above for just this very reason.

That list is not completely accurate because Boston is not on it. Not that Boston could be considered becaus eit does not have a domed stadium.

What about Indianapolis? Does that have rail service from the airport?

Zyik 24-04-2009 13:46

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Looking back through the posts I see New Orleans being mentioned occasionally. It sure could use the economy boost. I visited in 2008 and stayed for a few days. It really is a wonderful city. There's 591 hotel results thrown up when I ask Google for Hotels near the Super Dome. Most seem to be easy walking distance, and as one who hiked all over looking at the sites I know that the streets aren't bad in the French Quarter. The disadvantage I see is that I don't believe it has a rail system like MARTA. What does anyone else think about it as a choice?

EricH 24-04-2009 14:03

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Originally Posted by Rosiebotboss (Post 854575)
That list is not completely accurate because Boston is not on it. Not that Boston could be considered becaus eit does not have a domed stadium.

What about Indianapolis? Does that have rail service from the airport?

Los Angeles isn't either. It's not a direct connection (yet?), but the LAX shuttle buses do go to the Metro Green Line, which is just off the airport. However, no domed football stadium here, so no good. (Unless there is one that I don't know about.)

IndySam 24-04-2009 14:28

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Originally Posted by Rosiebotboss (Post 854575)

What about Indianapolis? Does that have rail service from the airport?

No but we are used to organizing buses to take large numbers of youth downtown. We host the annual FFA convention every year and it's larger than FIRST.

Stu Bloom 24-04-2009 14:57

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Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 854636)
No but we are used to organizing buses to take large numbers of youth downtown. We host the annual FFA convention every year and it's larger than FIRST.

MUCH larger ... more than 54,000 high school members according to this article. Not to mention over 400,000 visitors for the Indy 500 every year.

I have volunteered at a few of these events (multiple final fours, Indianapolis Tennis Champs, etc...) and I have seen first hand how well we do with continuous shuttles for events like this.

While light rail would be GREAT (there is some discussion currently) I'm sure it won't happen here in Indy until at least the next round of bids for a new FIRST championship city.

One more thing ... if there was to be any consideration of moving FTC and FLL into the convention center, Lucas Oil Stadium is large enough for the FRC playing fields AND the FRC pits.

Macdaddy549 24-04-2009 15:16

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My suggestion is Disney. I attended the 2001 event and the atmosphere was electric. Much more than the Championships since. The pits and the playing fields were not far away from each other. That meant for an easy transition from the field to the pit. You have to admit that it's a VERY long walk. With this great distance it's hard to go back and forth. Also the venue is much to big. It doesn't have that closeness like the regionals. Let's get away from these giant 70,000 seat stadiums. You only need seating for 15,000 at the most. That's my 2cents. :ahh:

Cory 24-04-2009 15:23

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Originally Posted by Macdaddy549 (Post 854665)
My suggestion is Disney. I attended the 2001 event and the atmosphere was electric. Much more than the Championships since. The pits and the playing fields were not far away from each other. That meant for an easy transition from the field to the pit. You have to admit that it's a VERY long walk. With this great distance it's hard to go back and forth. Also the venue is much to big. It doesn't have that closeness like the regionals. Let's get away from these giant 70,000 seat stadiums. You only need seating for 15,000 at the most. That's my 2cents. :ahh:

In 2002 there were something like 240 teams at Epcot and the tent city setup was pretty much maxed out in that configuration. Combine that with a very small FLL presence and nonexistent FTC program, and there was room. With all the FLL/FTC teams there are now, they'd have to significantly expand the scope of the tent city, which obviously hasn't happened yet (and probably never will).

EricH 24-04-2009 15:40

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Originally Posted by Macdaddy549 (Post 854665)
Let's get away from these giant 70,000 seat stadiums. You only need seating for 15,000 at the most. That's my 2cents. :ahh:

What are the actual numbers on how many people attend? I'm willing to bet it's more than 15,000.

Let's think about this a bit. There are 340 teams at the Championships. On average, each team brings 10 students and 2 mentors, for a total of 12, of whom 6 need seating most of the time and 6 need it part of the time. (Assumed numbers; actual average is higher. The 6 who need it part of the time are the drive team and 2 "pit guards".)

So, 340*6=2040. That's reasonable-- Until you figure that during Einstein, each team needs 10 seats, unless they're on the floor and then they need 5. 328*10+12*5=3340. You could still do it in a 15,000-seat area. BUT...

How many teams travel with 12 people to the championship? Not many. Plus, I didn't count the visiting populace, the judges, and such like.

So let's say that you bring the average up to 30 persons/team, which is much closer. Again, 24 need seating the whole time, but we'll say that all of them do because the drive team does like to take a break now and again. Also, 340 is a small estimate; I believe it's closer to 350 now. So, 350*30=10,500. Round up to 11,000 for the FRC event, to include everyone (judges, refs, volunteers that aren't on Einstein, etc.). Incidentally, that's actually a pretty small estimate; my team traveled with about 30, and that was everyone. We were often dwarfed in the stands by other teams...

BUT (again), you forget FTC. 10 students per team, plus parents and adults--call it 15 people per team average. I believe that that's another division worth--80 teams. 80*15=1200 people.

And FLL, same as FTC (roughly)--1200 people.

So you have 11000+2400=13400 people. Again allowing for spectators and judges, 14,000. So you could get everyone in, with a little margin, if you make one key assumption:


You're assuming that 6 FRC-sized fields can fit into the floor area of a 15,000-20,000 seat stadium (which would be what, basketball or hockey?), and that there will then be enough entrances and exits for everyone, and that there's a way to arrange them for maximum view, and that there's adequate pit space nearby and a short way to get to it. And remember, they all have to be able to see the Championship field.

If you can find such a place, propose it to FIRST. But remember: you also have to allow for international teams (airport), easy transport (light rail, bus system, lots of parking), plenty of hotel rooms (hey, all those 14,000 people have to stay SOMEWHERE), and no other events at about the same time that'll really tax the above-mentioned transit/lodging arrangements.

If the above criteria were taken, I'd propose Long Beach as the site. It fits, right? (Well, until you try cramming 6 FRC fields onto the Sports Arena floor, that is.)

waialua359 24-04-2009 15:51

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Of all the discussions here, it looks like Indy seems the most likely choice other than Atlanta.
I'd go for DisneyWorld any day, but I agree also that it just cant do the event justice facilities-wise like Atlanta.

kyra2443 25-04-2009 03:55

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you're all invited to hawaii!!! its a really really long plane ride considering where's you're team is but its so worth it!!! we could go into aloha stadium but sorry no roof but who would need it if you're in hawaii!!!:D

Daniel_LaFleur 25-04-2009 09:12

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Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 854685)
Of all the discussions here, it looks like Indy seems the most likely choice other than Atlanta.
I'd go for DisneyWorld any day, but I agree also that it just cant do the event justice facilities-wise like Atlanta.

The Disney property may not have the facilities, but Disney could sponsor the event in Orlando. And Orlando does have the facilities.

IndySam 25-04-2009 13:38

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Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur (Post 854908)
The Disney property may not have the facilities, but Disney could sponsor the event in Orlando. And Orlando does have the facilities.

Well they can bid on the next contract in 2014.

gorrilla 25-04-2009 13:52

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Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 854952)
Well they can bid on the next contract in 2014.

I say...
Raymond James Stadium anyone?;)


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