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The Lucas 13-10-2008 17:19

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
Since this discussion is starting up again, I feel the need to summarize what I gathered from the last one

In order to hold championship in city we need:
  • A Domed Football Stadium
  • A Convention Center next to the stadium
With almost no exceptions to this criteria

And we figured there are only 3 cities met this criteria
  1. Atlanta
  2. Indy
  3. St Louis


Are there any other cities we can think of to add to this list?

DarkFlame145 13-10-2008 17:22

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
OR the Tundra up in Green Bay, might be a little cold, but if we ever had an ice game it would be perfect =P

IndySam 13-10-2008 17:37

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
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Originally Posted by GeorgeTheEng (Post 770038)
I love this discussion every time it comes up. And it seems to come up 3 to 4 times per year. There are specific requirements that come up that generally have to be met, but that wasn't the point I wanted to make today.

Are thier places that could compete with Atlanta? Yes. Are those places that offer FIRST a substantial advantage to move? But substantial I mean significant new capabilities, more/better space (at the same cost), the existing capabilities at much lower cost? Given the size of championship and what it takes to put it together, FIRST has invested a lot of social capital in Atlanta. They know the area, they know the service providers, they have relationships with the organizations in the community. From thier standpoint, there is significant risk to move versus maintaining status quo.

Plus you have little thinks that make life easier for those planning the event (and trust me it take a momumental effort to plan that event). It easier to take an existing floor plan and tweak it (say for the pits) then to develop a new one from scratch. Things like that.

A new location could be interesting, but currently I don't see the drivers being strong enough to push FIRST in that direction.

As for Canada... Or anyplace else north of say Chicago... How about someplace where it won't snow during the event? ;)

All very good points.

FIRST got a very sweet deal when they moved the championship to ATL but sometimes sweet things can sour, relationships get old and things get taken for granted.

So you start getting a wandering eye looking for a better deal from others. Maybe that deal will be better and pull you away or maybe your current sweetheart will come to their senses and remember why they courted you in the first place.

Either way FIRST wins.

Madison 13-10-2008 17:58

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 770020)
Except that under current rules, approximately 250 teams qualify directly. Plus another 30 or so that pre-qualify - HoF, past winners, etc. To cut it down to 200, you'd have to eliminate some qualifiers, and not allow any "buy-in" teams. That would mean some teams would never get to Champs; the current structure was designed so that every HS student would be eligible to go to Champs sometime in a 4-year FIRST career.

And, in the thread Andy Baker started with old videos, I believe I heard one statement of 74 teams at Disney. That's a far cry from 200.

The 2002 Championship -- the last at Walt Disney World -- hosted nearly as many FRC teams as competed in Atlanta last year. There were five fields and everyone was in the same pit tent. It was not much different in organization -- only in atmosphere.

The challenge -- and certainly not something that cannot be overcome -- is in accomodating the FLL and FTC events that are held concurrently with the FRC Championship. Those programs were not represented in Walt Disney World, to my knowledge. FTC, of course, didn't exist, but FLL may have had a small presence.

EricH 13-10-2008 18:03

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Madison (Post 770062)
Those programs were not represented in Walt Disney World, to my knowledge. FTC, of course, didn't exist, but FLL may have had a small presence.

At least in 2000, FLL had a demo area in one of the side tents. That's about it.

The Championship is now bigger, with a full FLL event and full FTC event. I don't foresee returning to tents.

Cory 13-10-2008 18:28

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Originally Posted by Laaba 80 (Post 770051)
Im not sure I understand where you are coming from here. Atlanta isnt even close to the middle of the country. Do you mean the middle of the FIRST community?
Joey

I mean the vertical corridor you would make if you drew a vertical line on the western border of Illinois and a corresponding line through Atlanta. So no, not the actual middle of the country, but portions of the midwest/south. Essentially the "middle" of the FIRST population. Anything west of that eliminates the ability of most teams to be able to drive to the event. Someone did a breakdown and right now a very large percentage of teams are within 10 hours driving distance, or something like that.

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Originally Posted by DarkFlame145 (Post 770056)
But also I think that somewhere in Cali would be nice, like MacAfee Stadium (go RAIDERS). Since they always have to come to the east coast.

I can't think of a WORSE place for the event. Oakland is a terrible city. It's crime riddled, and has zero infrastructure needed to host the Championship

qwertyuiop[]\ 13-10-2008 18:29

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just throwing this out there:

FIRST should invest a whole bunch of money and build their own megacomplex that doubles as a FIRST college for people who want to be engineers or scientists.

David Brinza 13-10-2008 18:41

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 770057)
Since this discussion is starting up again, I feel the need to summarize what I gathered from the last one

In order to hold championship in city we need:
  • A Domed Football Stadium
  • A Convention Center next to the stadium
With almost no exceptions to this criteria

And we figured there are only 3 cities met this criteria
  1. Atlanta
  2. Indy
  3. St Louis


Are there any other cities we can think of to add to this list?

Those three cities have venues that meet the criteria that has been discussed in CD for a few years. I personally prefer St. Louis because it is geographically more central than Atlanta.

The relatively new (opened fall 2006) University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, AZ is the only domed football stadium in the West. It has enough internal space for pits (no need for convention center adjacent to stadium). There are a few motels within a mile away, with more likely to be built in the next couple of years. Yet, I don't think Arizona is a realistic venue. It's too far away for the eastern teams and FIRST definitely has deep roots in the east. (We west coast teams just love the three-hour time difference and five-hour flights endured for the Championship in Atlanta).;)

DarkFlame145 13-10-2008 19:04

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 770067)
I can't think of a WORSE place for the event. Oakland is a terrible city. It's crime riddled, and has zero infrastructure needed to host the Championship


MacAfee field is closer to San Fransisco and Oakland has really cleaned up, not to say there aren't bad areas. But MacAfee is right off the freeway outside of San Fransisco. It was more of a joke idea anyways, cause I'm a Raiders fan.

Richard Wallace 13-10-2008 19:04

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 770072)
... I personally prefer St. Louis because ...

:D
Reality Right Now:
The St. Louis Regional has a new venue for 2009. It is located in the city of St. Louis on the campus of St. Louis University.

Dream For The Future:
A FIRST Championship event in St. Louis would be cool. There are a bunch of hotels and restaurants, the City Museum, the Cardinals, the Arch, and several other entertainment options all within an easy walk of the Dome/Convention center.

Daniel_LaFleur 13-10-2008 19:16

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 770047)
Ah yes because FIRST is never willing to put all of the comfort of something good, past relationships to the wind to go for something more expensive and unknown risking their status quo.....cough cough control system cough cough

Hmmm ... Sour grapes? or just upset because they've taken you out of your comfort zone?

Now if you have some constructive criticism (and not just criticism) we'll be glad to hear it and discuss it.

Back on topic: Both Indy and St.Louis would be good alternatives to Atlanta, but, to be honest, unless there is a compelling reason to leave Atlanta, why would FIRST leave?

EricH 13-10-2008 19:42

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
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Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur (Post 770083)
Hmmm ... Sour grapes? or just upset because they've taken you out of your comfort zone?

Now if you have some constructive criticism (and not just criticism) we'll be glad to hear it and discuss it.

I think Greg just forgot his sarcasm tags.

Karthik 13-10-2008 19:51

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
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Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 770012)
Vancouver, for instance, does not have an appropriate venue, and I have some doubts that Toronto does, either.

The combination of the Skydome and the Metro Toronto Convention Centre probably could do the trick if the right spaces were rented and configured properly. I was at the MTCC for a conference this spring with Simbotics, and I took some time to walk through the venue to see if it could actually work for the Champonship. Previously, I was as skeptical as Jason was, but after looking around I think it could happen.

Sure there are plenty of obstacles keeping this from happening, but I do think it's in the realm of possibilities.

/Aside

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Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur (Post 770083)
Hmmm ... Sour grapes? or just upset because they've taken you out of your comfort zone?

Now if you have some constructive criticism (and not just criticism) we'll be glad to hear it and discuss it.

I think the point of the post was to show that FIRST has been known to abandon their comfort zone to undertake new ventures. You may not want to hear Greg's point, but telling him not voice it because you don't like isn't helping anyone.

ATannahill 13-10-2008 19:54

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
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Originally Posted by DarkFlame145 (Post 770056)
maybe the Sun Dome in Tampa?

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!

The USF Sun Dome is the location of TNT and the local schools' graduation, and it fits that, but for 400 teams you can't even fit the pits in there. The one at UCF (still the Sun Dome) is the location of the FL regional, and again it is fit for that, and maybe the pits for the Championship, but not the whole event.

DarkFlame145 13-10-2008 19:57

Re: Location Suggestion for 2010 Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 770091)
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!

The USF Sun Dome is the location of TNT and the local schools' graduation, and it fits that, but for 400 teams you can't even fit the pits in there. The one at UCF (still the Sun Dome) is the location of the FL regional, and again it is fit for that, and maybe the pits for the Championship, but not the whole event.

just throwing it in there cause it's close to me =P


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