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Mark McLeod 04-11-2008 15:15

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/ALA Sponsorship, Forums Open and Control System Update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Madison (Post 773808)
I think we have enough Victors lying around to deal without the Jaguars for this season. Until their benefits are more useful to us, there's no use in taking such a big penalty for size and weight.

I think that's a good idea also just to build up a stockpile of extra Jaguars for next year and use up the Victors that probably won't be permitted for 2010.

TestEngr571 04-11-2008 15:20

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/ALA Sponsorship, Forums Open and Control System Update
 
Not using the new Jaguars? :confused: On the contrary ... the update rate and linearity make the Jaguar far superior :D to the Victor, despite the size/weight penalty. This will make low speed control much smoother ... less twitchy robots! :cool:

Greg Needel 04-11-2008 15:37

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/ALA Sponsorship, Forums Open and Control System Update
 
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Originally Posted by TestEngr571 (Post 773814)
Not using the new Jaguars? :confused: On the contrary ... the update rate and linearity make the Jaguar far superior :D to the Victor, despite the size/weight penalty. This will make low speed control much smoother ... less twitchy robots! :cool:

quite possibly, but until I see robot data to prove their advantage to victors we will be keeping victors on the robot. I am interested to see how the 60Amp amperage limitation holds up in a pushing match. Perhaps teams who build 2 robots can build one with jags and one with victors to see how they compare.

Joe Ross 04-11-2008 16:41

Re: Included in Early Control System Shipment
 
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Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 773799)
The screwdriver is a nice touch.[/url]

The screwdriver is specifically designed to operate the WAGO connectors on the Power Distribution Board.

Joe Ross 04-11-2008 16:42

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/ALA Sponsorship, Forums Open and Control System Update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 773815)
I am interested to see how the 60Amp amperage limitation holds up in a pushing match.

Realize that the 884's limit is 40amps continuous.

AdamHeard 04-11-2008 16:49

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/ALA Sponsorship, Forums Open and Control System Update
 
Does anyone know if the batteries are remaining the same make and model?

Daniel_LaFleur 04-11-2008 16:56

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/ALA Sponsorship, Forums Open and Control System Update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 773815)
I am interested to see how the 60Amp amperage limitation holds up in a pushing match.

60 Amps? I only saw up to 40 Amp resettable breakers in the kit. I doubt they will let the Jaguars run without a breaker so they will be limited to 40 amps.

AdamHeard 04-11-2008 16:59

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/ALA Sponsorship, Forums Open and Control System Update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur (Post 773831)
60 Amps? I only saw up to 40 Amp resettable breakers in the kit. I doubt they will let the Jaguars run without a breaker so they will be limited to 40 amps.

From my experience with speed controllers outside of FIRST, the "continuous limits" seem to be rated very differently from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Some will break from even very short periods of current significantly over their continuous limit.

My observations aren't very scientific, but I think it's a fair of Greg to wonder how the Jaguars will hold up to FIRST use; As far as I know, there is little to no data available on them being tested. Also, the Victors seemed to be substantially higher quality than similar lines of motor controllers; I hope this quality is mirrored in the Jaguars.

Daniel_LaFleur 04-11-2008 17:09

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/ALA Sponsorship, Forums Open and Control System Update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 773832)
From my experience with speed controllers outside of FIRST, the "continuous limits" seem to be rated very differently from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Some will break from even very short periods of current significantly over their continuous limit.

My observations aren't very scientific, but I think it's a fair of Greg to wonder how the Jaguars will hold up to FIRST use; As far as I know, there is little to no data available on them being tested. Also, the Victors seemed to be substantially higher quality than similar lines of motor controllers; I hope this quality is mirrored in the Jaguars.

Ah, I misinterpreted Gregs post as the Jaguars would be running at 60 amps continuous not the 'transients' that will (not might) exceed 60 amps.

And I agree that we shall see how well the Jaguars will hold up when the CIMs pull 130 amps at stall (until the breakers trip).


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