the verb to CAD CADded? CADed?
 

Hi, my name is Noah Clark, 7 year member of the MO-HI SHZBOTS team 1245, in Louisville Colorado.

I have a simple question, is CADded or CADed a word that I can actually use on paper, or is it only something that can be verbally said?

For instance, I am working on our teams CAD website page www.shazbots.org/cad_2009.html and I need to know if I can put "CADded" on the site, saying "I have CADded...", or is it considered improper and unprofessional?

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CAD is an acronym for Computer Aided Design.
I'd guess the proper way to say that would be something like:
I created ... using CAD.

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so then should I not use the word CADded or CADing? (which I just realized that one too)

would it look unprofesional to put on a website?

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I would personally stay away from trying to turn CAD into a verb. I think of it as a name of a process, which would be a noun. English majors, feel free to give input.

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well ya, but the word "google" turned into a verb, every one says "I googled it..." or something like that. (even thought google is not an acronym, but same concept)
It seems like it is one of those official/unofficial things... I could probably get away with it, and I will always say it, but I guess I wont put it on my site.
Thanks.

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Maybe use I modeled using CAD software.

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googled and CADed would be odd colloquialisms. And that is what they are...colloquialisms. Unprofessional and nothing that I would ever use in a paper that's actually being submitted. Like the people above said, CAD is a noun and a process, but not a verb, therefore, cannot be used in the past participle.

Don't use for a website or paper. +$.02

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alright. thanks.
maybe i'll stay away form all the verbs I creat by taking nouns and sticking ed on, that dont create real words. lol. XD

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Drafted

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what???????

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I drafted the object using CAD software.

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That is what you do to stock.:)

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Actually, it's what you do to top sports players (or robotics teams, if you play Fantasy FIRST).

I do use CAD as a verb on occasion, but only in informal usage.

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One of the great things about the English language is that it is flexible. There is no central body to determine what is a word and what isn't. If enough people use CAD as a verb, then it becomes a verb. No one body, for instance, made "googling" a verb, or made "spam" a type of e-mail. But they are now just as much a part of English as "searching" and "garbage". It is really a rather democratic process.

So if you want to use CAD as a verb, go ahead, and stand proudly as an advocate for CADding. There isn't a single word for "engaging in the process of design using computer assistance", and perhaps there is need for one. On the other hand, be prepared for some criticism from those who either don't feel the need for one... or who think that CADding is an unnecessary redundancy due to the fact that designing is a perfectly functioning existant verb that describes the core process and that the presence or absence of computers is largely irrelevant to the process.

Jason

P.S. There are several uses for the word "draft" and it's English counterpart "draught": http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=draft&db=luna

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I use CADding and CADded, but thatz just me. I don't see anything wrong with it since half the words in English don't follow the rules anyway.

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but there is a distinct difference from profesionalism and not. I know a lot of people us it in an unformal way, but that doesn't mean its profesional to write it out...

I'll just keep saying it but not use it on my site. It not like its that hard to use it as a noun anyways. lol XD

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Why is it that I see the decline of western civilization in this quote :rolleyes:

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Dan's right, just because no one will correct you doesn't mean its right. I for one enjoy reading a well written post. I also have a habit of disregarding posts that are rife with typos and mix up words often (to,too,two or there,their,they're) I would say it isn't personal but frankly it is. However, if I happen to know English isn't someone's native language it is a different story. Please try to use proper English when possible.

I believe that a proper way of saying you 'CADed' something would be, "I designed this using CAD software."

I also apologize for the off topic nature of my post, I do appreciate that you are making an attempt at being professional on your website. Also, for practical purposes around the CD community, CADed is probably acceptable as an industry term.

EDIT: Please note, I try to follow my own advice, I don't always succeed. And by no means is this justification to start insulting people for spelling.

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From someone who has gone from table drafting in days of yore to computer drafting, I've never used I CADded a drawing for you. I may have drawn it, or (rarely) drafted it. I don't think I've ever heard CADded. In my mind, it would be an "inside joke" way to phrase it, similar to using "ain't" or "more better".

I'm thinking it might be how easy it is to type or say. One can easily have googled for something, but it's not easier to say or write I CADded a drawing.

Another possibility is that it is assumed you had computer assistance to draw it, and you don't have to actually say it? If you drew a drawing, did you use CAD or use pencil and paper? Back in paper days it would have been I made these blueprints for you or I'll blueprint it for you. In between the two I would have done it on the computer. (And back then it was CADD, not CAD.)

Probably if I saw CADded on a resume I would raise an eyebrow. May not be a deal breaker, but in architecture and construction words do have certain meanings.

And to put the word on a solid footing, we can't even write the word the same way! I think it's CADded, others have used CADed. To me, the latter is the past tense of to CADE.

All in all, Noah, an amusing and interesting question.

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It only looks that way because different words come from different sources which have different rules. Look at any discussion of the proper plural form of the word "virus" to see the resulting confusion.

My complaint is that English has so many rules that it's impossible to follow some without breaking others. :P

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I've used "CAD'ed" and "automagically" on occasion in some of my engineering or embedded systems lab reports for my courses. Ironically, every lab report in which I did that received a final grade of over 100% (for other reasons besides the choice of vocabulary though).

While the second one is most definitely not professional, I don't see making CAD into a verb as destructive to the English language. We already have the largest and most complex vocabulary and grammar rules of all languages. At the same time, English is constantly absorbing new terms and morphing with other languages to become a "super language".

While many of these terms at one time may have been unprofessional, given time they become so far ingrained into the English language that they become "professional". Take truthiness for example.

Languages must keep a balance between staying professional and being so stubborn they never change while the rest of the world moves onwards around them, leaving them behind. Try using Middle English or Shakespearean English to communicate nowadays, to tell someone what the Internet is and what it does. You might be able to get the fundamentals across, but the lack of vocabulary will get you in the details. So in that context, we would be "making up unprofessional words" in order to get our ideas out in the most efficient manner.

But if language is meant to be the most efficient means to convey ideas, and if words arise which convey ideas more efficiently without resorting to vulgar means and they become widely used, then by all means they should become a "professional" component of the English language.

Warning: "cadded" has a negative street meaning already!
 

I believe that as of NOW forms of "Draft[...]" are still the standard in industry. But then again, MY dad still calls his Refrigerator "the Ice Box", so who knows what terms the newest wave of young Engineers will create as they replace old school "Draftsmen"? :) (...Whoops, sorry. To keep out of trouble, maybe I better use the more PC term "Draftsperson"??? :rolleyes:)

Slang is a VERY generational thing. Verbal Shorthands (like TV for Television or Car and Auto for Automobile) evolve all the time to speed communication. It'll be interesting to see if one of these new terms emerge and take root for this now "common activity" in business.

Personally, I've been hearing phrases like "Hey, go CAD it up and run a Sim on it to see what'll happen" quite often lately, giving me the impression that a new shorthand WILL emerge. I've also heard "go CNC it", or "I'm CNCing it this afternoon" when talking schedule, so the question is timely, too.

But be careful of using the term "CADded". According to some Urban Dictionaries, "cadded" has the derogatory street meaning of "something that is hideous or ugly". (The given sample was "...That girl's face iz cadded...", <LOL!>). See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cadded

(...So with that in mind, if you were bad at "CADding up this year's robot" and made a hideous drawing, would you then have a "cadded CADded robot"??? :D )

I've got it... To have some fun, walk up to your CAD teammate tomorrow, look over their shoulder at their screen and say, "Hey, that's CADDED, Dude". Then point them to the above link and while they're reading get prepared to RUN FAST... :D

Seriously though, this is an interesting problem!

OOC: To those in industry - In addition to CAD, what about CAE, CNC, CIM, FMS, or Simulation? What new slang terms, "VERBage" (pun intended), or shorthands have YOU heard lately at YOUR worksite when talking about these things?

- Keith

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To answer your question shortly, no. It is definitely unprofessional. If I was doing research and came upon a site that used this word, I would immediately dismiss it. I would go to another site. Not trying to be harsh, but I don't like made up words.

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[English isn't that pure.] It not only borrows words from other languages; it has on occasion chased other languages down dark alley-ways, clubbed them unconscious and rifled their pockets for new vocabulary. -- James Nicoll

First they came for the verbs, and I said nothing because verbing weirds language. Then they arrival for the nouns, and I speech nothing because I no verbs. -- Peter Ellis

While I wouldn't dismiss out of hand seeing the word CADded (depending on the degree of the source), it just doesn't work right. I'm never asked to CAD something, just give me a drawing of this. As long as it's correct and readable, the back of an envelope would be good for some things. Come to think of it, the other day I did a hand sketch in a car while my boss was driving us up Rt 128. When we got back to the office, he faxed it as is. :ahh: If I had known that I'd have drawn the lines a little straighter :o ... but the steel beams still came out straight. :whew:

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wow, this is getting to be a little more complicated than I thought... lol.

I agree, If the content has made up words, or even typos (spelling and such...) the content becomes less accurate... It makes it seem like the webmaster doesn't know what they are talking about...

overall, I think that it is more of an "inside joke" (someone said that a while back in this thread) that just a lot of people understand.... maybe not necessarily an inside joke, but just a universal made up word that everyone knows the meaning of (assuming you use CAD software or know what it is)

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Just think what happens when the resident Grammarians chime in...

I too, started back in the days when everything was on the board. I was an intern one summer at a large aerospace company and my last week they let me work on mylar... in ink! That was a big deal back then.

I'm still in aerospace, working at the same facility for a different company. Generally we use the term "model" when using a CAD program to design something in 3D. As in "Why don't you go model that design change so we can get it approved" or "That is a great concept, go model it so everybody will understand"

We "do" a 2D drawing that is then "printed" for distribution and use. Usually this is done with part of the CAD system we are using, but I occasionally do really simple stuff on paper.

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I thought the quotes at the start of this post were great... but I take it you wanted to CAD it before he faxed it?

Jason

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I guess there are a whole lot more grammer people who do CAD than I thought.

I know that personally, I am the kid who always has his laptop and relies on Office 03' (07' sucks.... but thats a different topic) for the little red and green lines for grammer and spelling errors. :D

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Isn't the whole point of first to do something your grammer would be proud of?


Ooooh.... sorry about that.....:D

Jason

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As you participate in ChiefDelphi, I'll venture to guess that you will discover that there are engineers, teachers, students, and others, who have a great respect for the English language and for technical language. For many, it is the connection with the language, proper use of terms/terminology, applications, and communication that benefit their positions and their effectiveness, whether it be in their jobs, on their teams, or when working with others as mentors and as teammates. As you read posts during build season, pay attention to some that are carefully crafted. You will notice how well-written they are immediately. For a preview, check out the spotlight section - the quotes at the top have a page icon that you can click on. That will lead you to the post in its entirety and to the thread that it is a part of. There are gems throughout the fora of CD filled with excellent writing and care taken in the areas of spelling and correct use of terminology.

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I thought the whole point of FIRST was to get a better understanding in engeneering, not english.... (robotics is NOT the debate team!) (<--sorry for anyone on the debate team, but its true)

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Sometimes, pictures are not enough. That's when English comes into play.

Some college things: Even engineers notice when technical writing has bad grammar/is a bad translation. While building a plane from a kit (trainer plane, in more ways than one), I noticed some errors in the kit's instructions. The one that really surprised me (and others): two pieces, at opposite ends of the fuselage, with completely different functions and shapes, had the same designation. In another case, a piece that is supposed to run between two pieces is impossible to do-- one of the pieces was wrongly numbered in the instructions (3 instead of 13), or so this bunch of engineering students thinks. The plans, on the other hand, are quite clear, if you can visualize what things are supposed to look like.

And there are three classes that all the engineers have to take at my college: Freshman Composition, Technical Communications 1, and Technical Communications 2. Yes, we do need to know how to write well. No, you can't get out of those easily.

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Well <sheepish grin> maybe. Or at least re(hand)draw it with straighter lines, so it didn't look like I drew it on my lap while zooming up Rt128. Second thought: probably not -- I've learned that some things can just be left as a scribble.

My last couple of years before I started with CAD (not, "before I began CADding"!) I was doing most of my drawings with ink on mylar, mostly because I was getting bored with pencil, but also it made such better drawings. As a left-hander, I had already learned to avoid smearing the ink.

My first year college architectural professor told us that the best architects are the worst spellers. I thought I had it made! One of the reasons for CAD is the built-in speller.

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Grammar :p

Along the lines of this thread, Firefox 3 has built in spell checking, for those of you stuck in IE7 there is a plug in called IE 7 pro (http://www.ie7pro.com/) that will add spell checking. I believe Google Chrome also has spell checking but don't hold me to that. I say this not to be a jerk about spelling but to help people spell better. When my office installed IE7 pro our spelling became significantly better. Not because we learned to spell better, most of us could spell, but because we were made aware of it and that little red line bothered us.

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English is a tool, a tool for communication. Like all tools in engineering, an engineer strives to use his tools appropriately.

If you think that engineers do not need an understanding of English, I'll tell you now that you are mistaken.

English (or rather language in general) is at the core of engineering because it would make no difference at all, if you created the greatest widget in the world, if you could not communicate to others what your widget is and why it is great.

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so whats the ways out of it? hacking the college server and changing your classes along with your grades, and how much you owe???? errrrrrr...... I mean making friends with the dean and getting him to exempt you from it?

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Wow, you know to get that strong a reaction you'd think we told you that we were discontinuing FIRST...

Realize, when we say communication we are not talking about the essays you probably had to write in high school which consisted of, "How does so and so's piece make you feel?" We are talking about technical manuals and the like. My freshman term at Kettering we had to take a class all about technical communication, writing business proposals, memos, emails, and reports. A year later when we approached a potential sponsor the first thing they asked for was a business proposal. Proof that while you can have the most stunning idea in the world it doesn't mean crap unless you can present it well. Communication is as important to engineering as mathematics.

EDIT: Hacking is never an option, that is like cheating and cheating is bad.

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Uh, no. Hacking gets you thrown out of the school, and making friends with the dean(s) won't do much either. You MIGHT be able to test out of English 101 (Freshman Comp.), but I don't think so. *Checks major-required course list* Nope.

They aren't that bad, though. The trick is to get one of the "fun" professors and enjoy the class, then use the spelling checker. (For example, about half an hour ago I was working on a PowerPoint for an instruction speech on navigating with a map and compass. The topic was my choice.) The professors are usually pretty good about assigning interesting topics, or letting you choose your own. In my Technical Communications 1 (Tech Comm 1 for short; non-written use only) class, we even get to choose when we present papers.

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thats only if you get caught!

thats good.... sounds easy if you have good profesors. I guess I will have to wait to find out if I like it or not. lol. XD

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This is a tech school. We have our ways of catching hackers and people like that. (Some illegal downloaders were caught last semester, I think.)

Besides, there is the ethics violation here... And that's another subject altogether.

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ok, you just have to be an amazing or an anoymous hacker. XD

and who cares about ethics????? lol. jk.

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That sounds like our friend Senator Ted "Series of Tubes" Stevens.

Because of that, he was convicted on seven counts of lying to the Senate Ethics Board about hundreds of thousands of dollars of gifts and home improvements "donated" to him.

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Here at Cal Poly, even the engineers have to take that English class.... Once we pass that, we get to take the required technical writing class.

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CADed I really do not think is a word to put in a paper and I really dont think it is used as a verbal word anways/.. Just to let you know. lol

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Actually you may find that your English classes serve as an interesting break from having classes with the same people on the same topics all the time. I know that many of us at UBC viewed English 100 as an opportunity to experience classes with a different gender mix than that which we experienced in our own classes.

And while I know you are mostly joking (either that or you have a really sticky exclamation point key) you should keep in mind that the point of education is not just to provide one with technical skills, but also to broaden experiences and create common reference points. Just as I would not consider an Arts major to be well educated without a basic background in mathematics and sciences, I wouldn't consider an Engineering major to be well educated without a background in literature and history. Oh, yes, and grammar, too!

Jason

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o, so english comp classes are really for us nerds and geeks to find a girlfriend???




also, Hell918, thanks for staying on topic XD I like how side tracked this conversationh got......

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Wish I could peer 30 years into the future and see how this discussion would end up.

The funny thing is, the 3 posters for whom I have the highest respect in ChiefDelphi regarding their command of the English language and the manner in which they convey their thoughts/information/wisdom/suggestions/directions, are male. The next 3 after that are male. It could be the ratio of male to female in the ChiefDelphi fora or it could simply be the manner in which these engineers and students choose to communicate, setting a high standard for the rest of us.

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well ya.... I think its just that there are not a lot of girls interested in engeneering.... sad to say.... and I don't know why.
I always say that theres nothing hotter than a girl wearing safty goggles..... lol. :D

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This statement is ironic, I recall seeing several studies that females were actually better at math then guys. However, I think a lot of this comes from the stereotype of women in the workforce. The typical mindset for a woman as late as 40 years ago was that they were to stay in the home and raise a family.(Clarification: This is what women were TOLD to do, luckily they disagreed) A successful woman was one who kept a clean house, had dinner ready for her husband promptly when he came home from work, and was always happy. Now a lot of this has changed since then but in a sense not enough has, women are still expected to leave the workforce to raise their family. I find it perfectly logical for women to get discouraged from engineering knowing that no matter what they will most likely be passed up for promotions and end up working for people half as qualified just because they were born without a Y chromosome. Women's rights still have a long way to go.

I now find myself way off topic, but since this thread has seemed to digress from its original purpose into a more general discussion about communication in the english language I really dont feel too badly about that. :)

Jane, is fora really the plural of forum, wow you learn something new. Which just proves, a dictionary is one book you should always have handy.

Jason, you make a good point, I always try to schedule my classes so that I have at least one non technical course every term, this year it happens to be psychology. Nothing to do with being well rounded, taking a full load of technical classes would be HARD.

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Hacking must only be done for the greater good of the community, and not for personal gain. Or something like that. (I forget the exact quote.)

You know, in Junior High I thought girls were the smart ones in math and science. Was I surprised when it was supposed to be the boys!

Is that how long we have on this thread??!?

My blushes, Jane.

Well, somebody had to say it. (And, yes, I do think that song is about me, too!)

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yes, so everyone keep it up! lol.

and then in thirty years, I will let you know how I'm doing. lol.

I don't know how long this will last.... but I don't mind it, my robotics coach/lead mentor gives us lettering points for posting on Chief Delphi. So with this thread I have gained a few points toward lettering. :D

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Not unless you have to take an English class for your major which would mean that your class would be entirely composed of engineers. Muahahhaha..... Muahahhaha....

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ouch..... hmmmmm..... maybe I should get a back up plan then..... become a great partier? be a good dancer? not be and engineer? (oooo, that last one won't work for sure...)

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You should be sorry. Multitudes of red dots should be headed your way!

He's Canuckian, eh? Maybe that's one of those deficiencies of spelling and pronunciation they seem to enjoy. :p ;)