No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Alright, what do you want to see in FRC even though you know there is now way its gonna happen.

Swimming Robots?
Flying Robots?
Flying Monkeys on the Field???:rolleyes:

Give us your random ideas, realistic or non-realistic!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Let me just throw it out there now...

WATER GAME!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

WATER GAME! => this year, definitely

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Water game is the most unlikely game out of all of that. And there are a number of reasons.

The logistics of that would be HUGE. That would require a complete over haul of rules, material, not to mention building the field at regionals would be crazy.

But the flying monkeys on the field seems...interesting..:D.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

your'e not thinking 'outside of the box' enough :D
..leaving us to dream

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

The water game is being done by someone else....

http://www.h2orobots.org/aaindex.htm

give it a try!

My "No Way That's Gonna Happen!" is having a dirty, rocky playing field, like those fortunate extraterrestrial robots get to play on.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

if you really want to think outside the box, then there would be nuclear warfare on the field!

...like thats gonna happen!
human players wearing jetpacks! thats what i would want to see! (and do)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

now I like it :D

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I would actually argue that a water game is the most likely of the suggestions so far, simply because there are multiple competition models to build off of. (MATE, NURC, etc).


I would like to see a mostly autonomous game, or one where your controls are limited to only pre-programmed sequences (like hybrid mode last year)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

a game that is simple, easily scored, interesting to play and with a minimal amount of referee decisions and petty rules.....

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Fill the field with packing peanuts. Or maybe balloons?

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

what about we ride the robots

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Robots On Ice!!!

We are actually designing a robot that will work on ice and shoot hockey pucks for demonstrations at a local professional hockey team. We want to bring it out during intermission.

Thoughts are blades instead of wheels configured like omni wheel omni bots (four motors on four corners at 45 degrees). Than pick up the pucks and shoot them at the nets.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I'm going to go with Wayne-- I don't think FRC has had one of those in years! (If it hasn't been multipliers, it's been ref judgment calls or seemingly minor rules that have a huge effect.)

As for outside-the-box, I'll go with "house" robots that only get in the way, or that you have to score on. Preferably the latter, as the former has already been done.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Ha! we made one of those, we call it the magic carpet!


...I still have some troubleshooting to do with it though...

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

i think first should design a game with more interaction between teams, like you have to score on the other alliances robots somehow

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

multiple story playing field anyone?:rolleyes:

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I want to see students operating robots with their minds. Check out these two links before you poo-poo the idea.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4564186n
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/6130

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I like the cooperative type of game, especially with the new networking capabilities of this years control system. Imagine if the robots had to communicate information to the other robots on their team concerning track conditions or something of that nature. Even better if they had to discover who was on their team and act without the other alliance discovering them (that might be tough to do :yikes: )

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

What if they had teams had a round where teams would swap robots and use the other teams robots! It's definitely not unrealistic, but the other team might be mad if you damaged their robot!:mad:

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I've got it! I've got it! We can replace the referees with...



:)

P.S.: I know that picture is a bit big... is there any way to resize them on this forum?

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Forget the water and flying monkeys! lets play in a huge batch of corn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-m1Q...eature=related

...maybe we can have our robots pick up the corn and have to turn it into ethanol in the process of playing the game. That way we can get rid of our bulky batteries, and put combustible materials on the field!:rolleyes:
(...i'm pretty sure ethanol's combustible...not positive though)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Been there, done that, though only about 7 - 12 teams are still around. 1992, FRC's game Maize Craze. I remember looking through the rules once, can't remember where. Might have been at the TechnoKats History Project site. The floor? Corn.

Oh, for the days of 30-page rulebooks!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

and the drivers could be on scissor lifts that would change height depending on where the robot is.

Other than that.............


Soup Game!

A robot collects meat veggies and broth and makes it hot, then serves it to the refs, scoring could be based half on how good the soup is, and half on how well you picked up the ingredients

(original Idea by some kid from rat pack ( I just think it's awsome)!)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Seconded.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

How about a game where the robots are not allowed to have wheels. :yikes:

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Shhh... you're giving away my idea for this years frame. There are hexapod designs that actually pretty good. http://cfs2.tistory.com/upload_contr...NoLzAvNjMuYm1w

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

A game where it's possible to win by knockout. (Not necessarily rendering your opponents motionless, just achieving some exceedingly difficult objective.)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

capture the flag

or
Grifball!!!!:D

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Robot Iron Chef?

(Sounds like something straight out of Futurama...)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

60 POINT BONUS , get the ball on top of the ring at the end game

water game O'rama...

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

the refs are irreplaceable. ; )

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

How about drive team matches? That is instead of the Drive team driving the robot, the robot shocks the drive team into running and doing the tasks! :yikes:

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

No wheels or tanks tracks touching the ground. I.E. no rolling drive chain. It has to walk or hover. Unreasonable? Oh, entirely. Awesome? Oh, definitely.

Edit: Whoops, sorry Dan, I must have slipped past your post. This has already been suggested.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Going with the theme of no wheeled robots, how about a game played on a suspended cargo net - no way it's gonna happen - but definitely doable, and I bet there would be a pretty wide variety of solutions.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

[quote=Herodotus;774865]No wheels or tanks tracks touching the ground. I.E. no rolling drive chain. It has to walk or hover. Unreasonable? Oh, entirely. Awesome? Oh, definitely.QUOTE]


Actually my team had discussed this at our last meeting! If we hover then we can just have our robot lower to the ground whenever we need to black an object!

Also, air tubes (i dont know the technical term, The tubes full of air at the bottom of the robot that floats inches above the ground) could act as our bumpers!:rolleyes:

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I say that each robot on the alliance should interact directly. Give each robot a part of the task to fulfill that can't be completed without the interaction of the three. No more alliances that sqeak by relying on one or two robots with a dummy behind them...

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Robots start on the outside of the arena and must either flip or climp their way over the retaining wall in order to play the game.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

robot paintball around the regular venues campus. This would mean we could only watch via camera but it would be cool:cool:

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

A game that 100% of people say they love the day of kickoff.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Well, that's like saying having a president that wins 100% of the popular votes. But its a good idea!:rolleyes:

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Fruit as game pieces! Then there can be food fights after every match! :D
(Human players, of course, may get some of this during a match...)
Actually, that could end up being quite wasteful now that I think of it. But it's more biodegradable than pvc or nylon or rubber!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

i say, human players on the field :D

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Stack Attack. (Oh, you meant while the robots are running? Then I'd agree with you, though Triple Play came close.)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Buffet or Gates decide FIRST is to important to fail. Leave feds out, they got to much to deal with. One billion dollars is put in trust fund at 4%. Teams split the interest once a year. I'll leave the math to someone else.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Duct tape is legal.
On the other hand, electricity is not.
----
All programming must be written in binary.
----
Lemons replace 12V batteries for the power source. Or perhaps hamsters.
----
Non-Newtonian Fluid game. Buy stock in cornstarch now!
----
Robots have a minimum size requirement rather than a maximum.
----
Game objects are Bicycle brand playing cards.
----
Alliances are selected based on the robots' functionalities and the teams' strategies, not based on history and politics
(naw, that's too outlandish even for this thread)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Because real programmers use....http://xkcd.com/378/ (I admit I fail and use nano)

Never gonna happen, for sure.

Never gonna happen, Dave Lavery banned from the internet from April until January (sorry Dave, the red herrings have to stop) and also, no more mention of a water game for illogical reasons. Ie, "I noticed that Dean was wearing blue socks at Championship this year, also Woodie had two blue sharpies with him, this is evidence for a WATER GAME!!!!!!!" A Jello game on the other hand...

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Yay, that way i can't electricrute myself...(I did it twice at Cage Match). Actually I could but i dont think it would hurt as mutch with all the power coming from a lemon.

But does that also mean that lemons are illegal since electricity is not?

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

1 billion at 4% is 40 million. Split between 20,000 high schools is $2000 per team.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Yes but if we split it among FRC teams its 26,000 per teams (1501 according the FIRST) Now, some teams have budgets higher than that, others look at that number and wonder how they would ever need that much money.

Somebody needs to talk them into this.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

There is only 1501 teams last season.
that leaves each team approximately $26,650!:D

Oops...Didnt see your post andrew, but we had the same figures. In that case I confirmed your math.

And Go 1501!! that happens to be my team number as well as the amount of Teams in FIRST!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Another thing that will never happen, FIRST abandoning its unrealistic goal of FRC in every high school. Logic should tell them they dont need FRC in every school, a more realistic goal would be to have FRC available to every high school student.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

25's mind control system being released to other teams for beta testing in hopes of replacing NI by 2010.



:D

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I would like to see something involving a mine field. Maybe an obsticle course would be cool. The final contestants are not determined by points, but who still has a robot at the end.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

we will happily release this system if we can get Bharat tied down so we can do the extraction surgery. We have the orb ready......

WC

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Instead of one robot, each team must build 5. the game requires 12 robots per alliance, so the teams could chose one robot from each team to sit out, or three from one team, or two from one team and one from another. The game would require both offense and defense. ah, man, so awesome... :rolleyes:

either that or humanoid robots.

or completely autonomous

or 5 completely autonomous humanoid robots per team.:D

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

How about having the drivers in another room where the only way they can see what is happening is through a camera mounted on the robot?:ahh:

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

What do I really want to see...

Every team that comes up to the inspection station has their correct Bill of Materials in their hand. And it's actually readable, instead of something they wrote on a piece of notebook paper from memory in the bus that morning:)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Can somebody please just find a psychic and tell us what the game is? I'm getting ancy!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I think we've been guilty of that one, but only because we left ours at the shop. Of course, the hand writing was readable...

I like the through-a-camera idea, sort of like that one underwater robotics competition.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

It would be neat to see autonomous throughout the game. There could be pressure pads a la Triple Play, only reversed. When the HP is on the pressure pad, a teleoperated control is turned off and any scoring done by the robot is counted triple-score.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

in the bus that morning or in the hotel room at 4 in the morning.
After several years of forgetting to make a BOM, we made sure that we had a nice, neat, correct Bill of Materials typed up in advance, printed out several copies and saved it onto a laptop and a flash drive....and then somehow neglected to bring any of these to competition. We ended up with something we wrote on notebook paper at three in the morning, anyway.

Hopefully, this year, we will be one less team with an illegible BOM handed in on a peice of notebook paper.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Next time, put it with the programming laptop, if you have one. Or on it. (Of course, Murphy dictates that then the programming laptop will be left behind... It's just much less likely to stay home.)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

That sounds...totally awesome :D

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Oh, great. I was winning "the game" until you posted.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Me too!!! ugh...I lost to kids from 1720 and im from 1501 which is 60 miles away. I was doing so good!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

the human player role jumps to a whole new level... humans versus robots! (dumb but sort of funny to think of)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Haha Nosh! I think An underwater challenge in a pool type arena!!!
can you say wet electronics!! lol

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

what about something like Bombing Run in Unreal Tournament, but with robots, you could use baskets that are twelve feet above the playing field , where robots can climb a ramp/steps to get to a 3 foot hight, the ball would reset via human players after someone scores

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

A Junkyard Wars type competition.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I already use Junkyard Wars when trying to explain FIRST to the public... That, and Monster Garage.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

im thinkin that this year is probably not water. maybe soon though. i would have to guess something that will require something of this new control system. so possible multiple autonomous periods. one at the start and one at the end. maybe obstacles that require articulation and maybe a phase in the game where you are required to lose visual of your robot and allow the control system to take over temporarily

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

If you are thinking of making time adjustments you have to remember that the number of teams is growing exponentially each year and you can't have regionals running for 5-6 days. Most likely, the time will stay the same, but instead, another team will be added to the alliances.

Also, as far as multiple autonomous periods are concerned, I don't think it'll be possible {^} instead, i think more teams will use buttons to set off programmed series of movements or automatic movements based off sensors. [we'll definately try] because

As far as the game's concerned, multiple game piece shape/sizes [as in not just changing scale] seems possible and an interesting idea because a universal arm/hand would probably not work

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

im almost certain multiple autonomous periods is possible. if anyone is knows for sure about this let me know.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

388 has the best idea as to what the game is, but we're not telling... not now atleast!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I have a great idea as too what the games going to be let's take the water game to the extreme...pudding or jello game anyone

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Hmm, I think the one thing I would really like to see is...
Robots trying to joust, in a field filled with chuck E. cheese ballpit balls.
Now that would be awesome!:D
Also it would we cool if all the refs were dressed as ninjas... :rolleyes:

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I like the fully autonomous robot idea! We joked about that for a while this year because if the lap running autonomous for Overdrive worked well enough -with collision detection included- then we could just turn in on and let it run the whole match and maybe make the turns better than a human driver... (it didn't work that well... it started having temper tantrums!) But that would be really cool to more automated commands for the robots! Maybe zones where you can not have any human control, and it has to go through on sensors and programming alone!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Sorry, the jello game is reserved for FLL. Lime jello, specifically.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I thought Dave said that they rejected his jello game :p

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Just because Dave says something does not mean he is telling us everything, they could have vetoed the lime jello game but not the strawberry jello game.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Dave never tells us everything ... especially around hint time.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I think that a human component on the field would be AMAZING!!!:eek:

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Two Words: Robot Jousting

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

How about together-
new fun for the team safety officers.

I'll bring the band aids....

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Sounds like Botball, somewhat. ;)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Cheerleaders...

No really though, a robot game with rules similar to Risk. This would combine FIRST, Battlebots, and US Government...

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

yeah I agree. but i think that it will be more like you have to pass the ball or whatever from teammate to teammate. so you really need to work with them, or your whole alience suffers, that or i think that it would be cool to have a multi leveled playing field, like each robot is responsible for getting it up to the next level for the next robot to score.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Multi Leveled might be hard, but just having sections with walls and having to pass the scoring object would definitely be possible and fun. Have the alliances going in opposing directions, and you could still play defense.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

After seeing this years hint, I have something that I can now say will never, ever, not until the end of time, happen: We will never see a game hint that allows us to guess at what the game will be, nor one that fails to cause a ridiculous amount of speculation.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

What I would like to see happen is a game when they switch on auto mode at random points during the game.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

i want to have each division at nationals gather their robots and battle to determine what division really is best.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

What if the game field was like a giant air hockey table that made the game pieces move at random?
Then at random times during the match, the lights on the field will turn off an on again! :D Sounds like fun!

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

A three-sectioned field with one robot from each alliance in the box, and you need to get game pieces from one side of the field to the other with the help of your teammates, or by flinging it all the way over?

They could do it so you can throw the pieces over, but the robot on the recieving end still has to pick it up and put it on a pylon or something to score. Think any one of FIRST's crazy stacking games.

Then you get three kinds of robots I can think of: Defenders (low to the ground, lots of torque, just there to mess your day up and push you around), Throwers (the name says it all) and, lets call them "Arms" (Arm-equipped robots that can pick up, pass, and stack the game pieces for scoring.

There, you retain the element that defense is important (assuming we're on carpet again, where you can actually push people around easily), but you can't exactly win if all you do is defend.

I kind of like that idea, actually. Teamwork isn't required but you'll get leaps and bounds farther.

Oh, but in the interest of fairness, let people choose which section to put their team's robot in. That way you don't get a defender on the end where it can't help you score at all. That'd be no bueno.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Looks like that already happened this year...heheh good guess!! :)

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

I think I'd like to see a more battlebot type of game. FOR ONCE. just a cannon or something. no no wait howabout. a game to burn holes with lasers and it's based around tic tac toe?

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

this game is going to be insanley like battlebots because of the lack of control teams will (likely) have

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

A gravity bot that controls gravity goinboom boom lifting humans into the air andstuff
kaboosh!

cant wait for comments on my post

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

Something with modular robotics (think nanorobots, if nanorobots weren't so nano) would be amazing, and challenging, but the problem is that the parts they give us are just too large to make a working modular system.

Re: No Way That's Gonna Happen!
 

People will read the manual before asking questions. ;)

... And search before posting.