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Brandon Holley 10-11-2008 00:33
Re: pic: 6wd chassis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JVN (Post 774717)
To paraphrase Ferris Bueller:
"They are SO choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend adding a few."
Nice.



And I agree with JVN here...flanges are an awesome way to strengthen something up and keep it light.

R.C. 10-11-2008 00:47
Re: pic: 6wd chassis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Holley (Post 774740)
Nice.



And I agree with JVN here...flanges are an awesome way to strengthen something up and keep it light.
It would help to see some pics of this properly implemented.

AdamHeard 10-11-2008 01:25
Re: pic: 6wd chassis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rc_cola1323 (Post 774738)
Why not use 2024 or 7075 if your not welding anything to those pieces. 7075 sheets have a brinell of 150 and a yield of 65 ksi.
It's not always a matter of "X material has a higher yield than Y material".

5052 is commonly used in sheet metal applications as it is much easier to bend and flange. Yes, 7075 is harder and has a higher yield strength.... but, good luck shaping it as easily as 5052. In fact, the low radius bends you see on most sheet metal parts in FIRST (148, 228, Kitbot frame) would probably crack 7075 rather than nicely bend it.

R.C. 10-11-2008 01:27
Re: pic: 6wd chassis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 774745)
It's not always a matter of "X material has a higher yield than Y material".

5052 is commonly used in sheet metal applications as it is much easier to bend and flange. Yes, 7075 is harder and has a higher yield strength.... but, good luck shaping it as easily as 5052. In fact, the low radius bends you see on most sheet metal parts in FIRST (148, 228, Kitbot frame) would probably crack 7075 rather than nicely bend it.
I didn't think he was going to bend it, as shown in his CAD drawing. Yes you are right about the 7075 cracking.

AdamHeard 10-11-2008 01:42
Re: pic: 6wd chassis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rc_cola1323 (Post 774748)
I didn't think he was going to bend it, as shown in his CAD drawing. Yes you are right about the 7075 cracking.
The next logical iteration in the design (supported by some recommendations by some knowledgeable people) would have been to flange it.

Cory 10-11-2008 03:58
Re: pic: 6wd chassis
 
Using 7075 or 7068 for the sideplates of a drivetrain is a total waste of money and complete overkill in my (not) so humble opinion. Tons of people have made similar designs with plain old 6061 and it works just fine.

It's always better to figure out why a design actually works and the best ways to implement it than to just assume upgrading to a "better" material will make everything work.

sdcantrell56 10-11-2008 09:00
Re: pic: 6wd chassis
 
I completely agree with you cory. The only places where I see 7075 as having a noticeable impact on performance is on gears and shafts where strength is very important and there is a constant load working on the shaft. Adding flanges to the sideplates will increases the stiffness much more than just switching to 7075 aluminum. Also 7075 is very expensive stuff.

If anyone wants to see flanges, look at my last drivetrain I posted http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/32013?


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