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kE7JLM 20-11-2008 00:27

Shifting Two Anymarks with One Pistion
 
As you all know, weight is a BIG problem, so much so we decided to go with an off board compressor. Witch lead us on a never ending search for ways to be more efficient. I know a lot of other teams are on in the same boat so we are more than happy to share the knowledge, GP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEn76mg9wx4

pics -
http://picasaweb.google.com/john.h.8...gTransmissons#

CraigHickman 20-11-2008 00:55

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Very nice! Innovation is always good to see, especially on the small details! (that means someone other than me is focusing on the details, hurrah!)

Ice Berg 20-11-2008 01:10

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Did you use a piston with twice the stroke length?

Looks really nice!

R.C. 20-11-2008 01:17

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How did you calculate the distance??? Guess and Check or with CAD.

AdamHeard 20-11-2008 01:42

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That looks like a 1" throw cylinder.... wouldn't that be using about the same amount of air as two 1/2" throws plumbed together to one solenoid?

Eugene Fang 20-11-2008 02:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 776451)
That looks like a 1" throw cylinder.... wouldn't that be using about the same amount of air as two 1/2" throws plumbed together to one solenoid?

Thatīs what i was thinking. I guess you save the weight of an extra solenoid.

AdamHeard 20-11-2008 02:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pikat (Post 776455)
Thatīs what i was thinking. I guess you save the weight of an extra solenoid.

Nope, you can just T two cylinders off of one solenoid.

It would weigh less than two cylinders probably (Depending on the linkage weight), but I don't imagine it would reduce air consumption like they claim.

sanddrag 20-11-2008 03:21

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Team 968's 2004 robot was successful with this idea. Pic. I think it saves weight more than it saves air.

Eugene Fang 20-11-2008 03:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 776456)
Nope, you can just T two cylinders off of one solenoid.

It would weigh less than two cylinders probably (Depending on the linkage weight), but I don't imagine it would reduce air consumption like they claim.

Of course! We did that on our robot this year. What was i thinking:ahh: ... it must be late...

Cory 20-11-2008 04:23

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Team 45 was the first I know of to do this, in 2003.

Chris Fultz 20-11-2008 19:59

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you should check out and see what the total weight of this system vs. two 1/2" stroke cylinders would be. there might not be much weight savings - the small cyliners are pretty light.

Also, you can control them both from one solenoid (which is actually a good design approach so you know both transmissions are shifting at the same time).

You might also be cautious - it is not legal to modify the pneumatic cylinders, and some inspectors might be concerned about the modifications you have made.

Travis Hoffman 20-11-2008 20:59

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 776459)
Team 45 was the first I know of to do this, in 2003.

48 also did this in 2003 on our 45-inspired dog-shifter design. We also added failsafe springs to force and keep the shifters in gear in the event of a pneumatic system failure.

James Tonthat 21-11-2008 21:56

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Simbotics did this last year.

kE7JLM 21-11-2008 22:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rc_cola1323 (Post 776446)
How did you calculate the distance??? Guess and Check or with CAD.

Guess & Check

R.C. 21-11-2008 23:14

Re: Shifting Two Anymarks with One Pistion
 
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Originally Posted by kE7JLM (Post 776823)
Guess & Check

Love it :)


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