2009 Motors
 

Does anyone know what motor the KOP is going to be included with? My team is hoping to purchase the Andy Mark 2 speed shifter this year but we are kind of hesitant because the picture on the power distribution diagram that came with the control system looked nothing like CIMs.

Re: 2009 Motors
 

No. We never do until we see the kit.

Re: 2009 Motors
 

Unless your Dave, jk. Bill warned everyone that the KOP might change dramatically, maybe even the loved cim's might go :eek:. Just wait until kickoff.

Re: 2009 Motors
 

i dont see any reason why they would get rid of the cims though:confused:
they work so well

Re: 2009 Motors
 

Just like First, If it's not broken, make it better until it is.

Re: 2009 Motors
 

CIMS are good at toting around 150 lb robots, it's true. However FIRST does not guarantee that we will be building 150 lb robots come January. We could be building autonomous ornithopters for all we know!

Re: 2009 Motors
 

I would be absolutely shocked if the CIM was eliminated. That being said, there is no way I would buy a trany before kickoff.

Re: 2009 Motors
 

Even if the CIMs were eliminated, hopefully provisions would be offered, such as the AM Planetary gearbox for the FP motor. They also had a tranny for the mini bike CIM motor. So who knows, maybe new motors, but the ability to use the same trannys. :D

Re: 2009 Motors
 

maybe more powerful motors?:P

Re: 2009 Motors
 

Re: 2009 Motors
 

here's the deal with that, if you Google "DC motor" that motor is the 12th result in the second row of images on my computer and it's the only motor on the page that looks anything like 120 pound robot drive motor. also I really don't see them getting rid of the cim I think it's safe to buy your tranys early

Re: 2009 Motors
 

The above is correct; we have no firm knowledge of the kit of parts until Kickoff, the early shipment of parts ('09 control system, '08 IR board) notwithstanding.

That said, we've had CIM motors in the kit of parts in varying quantities since 2002. I don't know about 2002 and 2003, but the 2.5" CIMs in the kits since 2004 have been functionally identical beyond the printing on the housing. I'd be surprised if FIRST dropped the CIM motor, and a little saddened at the loss of a strong, near-indestructible motor, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Re: 2009 Motors
 

As FIRST gets larger and in more countries, I would hate to see the announcement of new motors at kickoff. The costs are huge to order something during build season and paying $$$ for either 1 or 2 day air costs to get them. We hate ground shipping during build season for obvious reasons. :(

Re: 2009 Motors
 

True, that would suck a lot. The Cims are pretty awesome, but with if we had mag ....

Re: 2009 Motors
 

This is just speculation, but on the AndyMark new products page there's info on new toughbox accessories which i would imagine means toughboxes will be the KOP transmissions, and that would also mean CIMs.