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Amehrotra 05-12-2008 19:38
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 779423)
They are most certainly NOT the same size.

The images do look the same but sure most probably are not because the Clue could have a message encrypted into it like Greg Needel said.

We should try to decrypt the message inside this image using some software, i might work on that when i have the time.

Nin_estarSaerah 05-12-2008 19:40
Re: Game Hint #1
 
It has been noted in the FRC game in 2009 thread that the fish is not in the water, its a fish out of water. significant? probably not. interesting to note and mull over? Indeed.

mr_yes 05-12-2008 19:41
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Okay, I've read over 300 posts about clue #1 and I don't have a clue. I like some of the ideas, particularly the suggested names for the competition ("Shoot for the Moon", "Feeding Frenzy"), but also a "lunar" playing field, or having robots "scale" an obstacle.

As a practicing engineer, I have to say that while FIRST does expose students to some real aspects of engineering, most of my days at work aren't as fun as the intensity of build season.

Maybe my employer could take a lesson from FIRST: "We're reorganizing. We aren't ready to reveal the new organizational structure, but you can find clue #1 on the internal website..." :-)

Amehrotra 05-12-2008 19:41
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 779478)
There are many methods of hiding information in photographs. I was able to scan the image at the highest sensitivity for all the major types of encryption (jsteg, jphide, outguess, and invisible) The system of hiding information within photos was able to detect a hidden message. Now the methodology I used just exposes the type of hidden message and not the message itself. The message unfortunatly for us appears to be hidden in the JPHIDE which utilizes a password based encryption so without the password it will be impossible to figure out the message. Although we do know that there is something there.


****disclaimer: the way the analysis tools that I have scan the data it looks for missing voids in repeating color sections of the photo (complex photos with lots of colors are best for hiding). When I tested with normal sensitivity I didn't see any result, but on cranking up the sensitivity I found proof of an encryption. With all things like this it is possible to get a false positive, but since this is all for fun anyway we can just assume it is there.



so what do we think the password is? I might try to make a dictionary and brute force it later after I am done with the bench top test of the new control system.
can you direct me to finding the decrypting software? and did you try the password Red_herring like squirrel recommended?

synth3tk 05-12-2008 19:46
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I tried Red_herring in every possible combination. No luck.... :(

Amehrotra 05-12-2008 19:58
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what about luna fish or moon fish
and how did you try this, this kind of stuff interests me so just wondering how you did this?

Daniel_LaFleur 05-12-2008 19:59
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bierwagen2449 (Post 779916)
http://www.australianseafoodexports....rderonline.htm

After looking at the moon fish on this page I saw that it said 30-50 kgs might mean 30-50lbs or lead to some wieght.
50 Kg = 110 Lbs.


Maybe we're pulling up 110 lb weights :ahh:

Boydean 05-12-2008 20:03
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur (Post 779941)
Maybe we're pulling up 110 lb weights :ahh:
Hmmm, maybe we have to join with other alliance robots to pull a 110lb fish out of a hole.

synth3tk 05-12-2008 20:05
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boydean (Post 779944)
Hmmm, maybe we have to join with other alliance robots to pull a 110lb fish out of a hole.
Maybe our robots, themselves, will have to weigh 110lbs.

Manoel 05-12-2008 20:11
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 779431)
Just saved with a different level of JPEG compression. Same file.
Visually, the difference between the two pictures is zero - and I don't mean look at and guess, I mean open 'em up on MATLAB¹, subtract one from another and notice that the result is a black image.

Of course LCD screens aren't very good with blacks, so you analyze the difference in the RGB pixel level and notice that yes, there are subtle near-black values. Probably due to the different compression, but still... Definitely not enough difference to start a conspiracy theory. A FIRST GDC moonfish² is an Australian buy-your-online moonfish is a moonfish.


¹ - Yes, engineers analyze their images with MATLAB. Photoshop is for wusses. :P

² - Remove that extra fin and you have a Brazilian piranha, as someone mentioned above.

Tom I 05-12-2008 20:12
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by synth3tk (Post 779947)
Maybe our robots, themselves, will have to weigh 110lbs.
I dunno... I don't think they're gonna be lowering the weight since the new control system is heavier... but who knows, they might!

As for the page from the book, I don't think anything on the opposite page will help much... but if we find out which book it came from, then that might be a useful hint... or it could be nonsense all together!! haha!

MC_FALCON_842 05-12-2008 20:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by swaknight (Post 779460)
Morphology?, could that mean that some part of the field might change throughout the match, like between modes or something.
I've seen a lot of the arguments about the significance of the Opah and this is the first one that's so simple but it just might work!:rolleyes:
Maybe you have to build your robot to adapt to the different changes that might be presented on the field?... Morphology...? makes sense. I think :confused:

JaneYoung 05-12-2008 20:16
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manoel (Post 779954)
² - Remove that extra fin and you have a Brazilian piranha, as someone mentioned above.
oh goodie...

jk.weiss 05-12-2008 20:32
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This is the longest thread ever. There are so many amazing ideas that there is no way of even choosing one until there is another clue.

I'm liking the Opah simming in deep water and the underwater mountain stuff. Although, there won't be water.

One robot will be down in a "hole", out of site from us. This robot will have to use the camera to detect the colors of gamepieces to give to their team members above. (The Opah has 4 different colors on its 4 types of skin.)

I can't wait till the next clue. This researching of a stupid fish is fun...lol =)

GaryVoshol 05-12-2008 20:53
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manoel (Post 779954)
Remove that extra fin and you have a Brazilian piranha, as someone mentioned above.
Except piranha, thank goodness, don't get up to 30-50 kg.


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