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Raumiester2010 06-12-2008 18:47
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMascaro (Post 780233)
You want to pay for swimming pools big enough for six robots at every regional?

Underwater FIRST games aren't going to happen. It's too expensive, and too complex.
Ya, as much as it would rock to have an underwater game, WAY TOO COMPLEX...

MikeMascaro 06-12-2008 18:48
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raumiester2010 (Post 780242)
Ya, as much as it would rock to have an underwater game, WAY TOO COMPLEX...
They'd lose teams; it wouldn't be possible for everyone to compete anymore, and they'd drop out.

MikeMascaro 06-12-2008 18:59
Re: Game Hint #1
 
My best guess at the game: nothing to do with the background, but instead we'll be "fishing" some sort of game pieces out of a barrel or something. Perhaps these containers are in the middle of a field divided in two, like the whole light/dark side concept (apparently nicknames for Opah include moonfish and sunfish).
My guess at the game pieces: same shape as the opah, round and flat. Almost like tubes? But I doubt they'll do that again so soon. My thoughts would be like those big Frisbee things made out of cloth.

grim 06-12-2008 19:01
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperJake (Post 779366)
It looks to be a Lampris Guttatus, commonly called an Opah.

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Spec...ry.php?id=1072

Here is a Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opah

It's also called a "Moon Fish" comes from Hawaii.

synth3tk 06-12-2008 19:06
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by grim (Post 780245)
It's also called a "Moon Fish" comes from Hawaii.
Search Is Your Best Friend

GGCO 06-12-2008 19:12
Re: Game Hint #1
 
synth3tk,

That's getting annoying. Please stop.

synth3tk 06-12-2008 19:19
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Wanna talk about annoying? Coming back to the thread every five minutes to read everything go in circles.

That's what's annoying.

lenny8 06-12-2008 19:21
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Relax dudes. all he's saying just read before you post wile showing so to do it just in case you dont know how.

grim 06-12-2008 19:32
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lenny8 (Post 780257)
Relax dudes. all he's saying just read before you post wile showing so to do it just in case you dont know how.
Okay. so I didn't see the 30 odd pages of misc ideas and such.

Our take on this is that the game involves "shoot the moon", it's a moon fish.

As far as translating all the reversed text on the image, it's the backside of the fish identification book page, no strange deciphering codes are there. The same image is used on a couple of different sites that are "legit" fish identification sites.

Taken at it's face value, it's a fish, specifically it's a moon fish with an alternate name of opah. To me that means A) "shoot the moon", B) we are fishing for something or C) FIRST is sending us all to Hawaii because that's where it's found. C) seems pretty unlikely so that leaves A or B until they give us another hint.

By the way, to answer a previous post, yes, they are suppossed to be pretty good eating. And at 60 to 200 lbs, that's a lot of fish.

Karibou 06-12-2008 19:45
Re: Game Hint #1
 
"Shoot the Moon"...anyone in here play Hearts?

http://www.wikihow.com/Shoot-the-Moon-in-Hearts

Quote:
The card game of hearts is unusual in that the winner is the individual who accumulates the fewest number of points! Point cards are the queen of spades (13) and any heart (1 apiece). However, if a player can capture every point card, they will in fact collect no points, while giving 26 points to every other player--this is called "shooting the moon".

Maybe it's a game where you have to collect as many scoring objects as you can, and the player/alliance/?? with the least points wins, but if you end up with all of the points, you automatically win the round? Or, you would want to try and get as many points as you can while keeping them away from your opponents. Maybe the field would be divided in half/thirds/however the alliances/bots are set up, and robots could travel between each section. They would have to try and obtain all of the scoring objects while keeping other bots from taking their objects...kind of like capture the flag, I guess. In the event that one alliance cannot obtain all of the points, the alliance with the least amount of points wins.

I have the feeling that I didn't explain that very well... :confused:

DMetalKong 06-12-2008 20:02
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Slightly off topic, but hearts is the best card game ever :D.

Anyways, scary thing is I was trying a while back to come up with a FRC game that was like hearts, and I ended up posting it in the game design thread :yikes:. I hope that isn't what they used as inspiration.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 780270)
"Shoot the Moon"...anyone in here play Hearts?

http://www.wikihow.com/Shoot-the-Moon-in-Hearts




Maybe it's a game where you have to collect as many scoring objects as you can, and the player/alliance/?? with the least points wins, but if you end up with all of the points, you automatically win the round? Or, you would want to try and get as many points as you can while keeping them away from your opponents. Maybe the field would be divided in half/thirds/however the alliances/bots are set up, and robots could travel between each section. They would have to try and obtain all of the scoring objects while keeping other bots from taking their objects...kind of like capture the flag, I guess. In the event that one alliance cannot obtain all of the points, the alliance with the least amount of points wins.

I have the feeling that I didn't explain that very well... :confused:

AustinSchuh 06-12-2008 20:13
Re: Game Hint #1
 
I ran stegdetect on the image. According to the manual, it

Tests if information has been embedded with jsteg.
Tests if information has been embedded with outguess.
Tests if information has been embedded with jphide.
Tests if information has been hidden with invisible secrets.
Tests if information has been hidden with F5.
Tests if information has been added at the end of file, for example by camouflage or appendX.

Here is the output.

Code:
austin[50950] carbon /tmp
$ stegdetect -s 10 clue1.jpg
clue1.jpg : jphide(***)
austin[50952] carbon /tmp
$ stegbreak -t p clue1.jpg
Loaded 1 files...
clue1.jpg : negative
Processed 1 files, found 0 embeddings.
Time: 5203 seconds: Cracks: 11266645,  2165.4 c/s
I can verify what EricH said. It looks like there is something hidden inside it with jphide. stegbreak is another command that tries to brute force the password inside the file. I ran that for an hour and a half, and it couldn't find anything. It uses a dictionary attack similar to the one that powers John the Ripper.

Running strings on it didn't yield anything useful other than the XML and some other random looking strings.

gorrilla 06-12-2008 20:20
Re: Game Hint #1
 
it could be something like 2001's game co-operatin first(seeing as how the opah is a loner fish) were we have to score for the opposite alliance or something?

JaneYoung 06-12-2008 20:27
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Ever heard tell of an invisible moonfish? I googled location of moonfish because I had seen a map showing them in a lot of places globally early yesterday...
...anyway just now it talked about how to find moonfish in a game called Skies of Arcadia.

I have no idea what I am saying - but hey, invisible moonfish sound like fun.

DMetalKong 06-12-2008 20:38
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinSchuh (Post 780287)
I ran stegdetect on the image. According to the manual, it

Tests if information has been embedded with jsteg.
Tests if information has been embedded with outguess.
Tests if information has been embedded with jphide.
Tests if information has been hidden with invisible secrets.
Tests if information has been hidden with F5.
Tests if information has been added at the end of file, for example by camouflage or appendX.

Here is the output.

Code:
austin[50950] carbon /tmp
$ stegdetect -s 10 clue1.jpg
clue1.jpg : jphide(***)
austin[50952] carbon /tmp
$ stegbreak -t p clue1.jpg
Loaded 1 files...
clue1.jpg : negative
Processed 1 files, found 0 embeddings.
Time: 5203 seconds: Cracks: 11266645,  2165.4 c/s
I can verify what EricH said. It looks like there is something hidden inside it with jphide. stegbreak is another command that tries to brute force the password inside the file. I ran that for an hour and a half, and it couldn't find anything. It uses a dictionary attack similar to the one that powers John the Ripper.

Running strings on it didn't yield anything useful other than the XML and some other random looking strings.
As in the strings that JPEG compression uses? Or the kind that FIRST has diabolically hidden inside this image?

Anyways using 5643 as the id on the FIRST website turns up nothing useful.
http://usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=5634


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