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Ice Berg 07-12-2008 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjwgarner (Post 780542)
Anyway, would it be so hard for them to do a water game just so we quit obsessing over it? Maybe water would be the "game piece." Maybe buckets of water and robots have to move a certain amount of water to other buckets?
There was a game a while back where the game pieces were water filled balls.

smartkid 07-12-2008 12:57
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Very stupid question but did we ever figure out what those three numbers corresponded to last year? And if so was it before or after the kickoff?

EricH 07-12-2008 13:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smartkid (Post 780556)
Very stupid question but did we ever figure out what those three numbers corresponded to last year? And if so was it before or after the kickoff?
Yes we did. Both. They were GPS coordinates of the next clue, the finish line of the Boston Marathon (or the Tortoise and the Hare statue, whichever you prefer). Before Kickoff, we found the clue area. After Kickoff, we found out what it meant.

SalenaLynn 07-12-2008 14:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nin_estarSaerah (Post 780330)
Perhaps there is a moonlike object or lunar terrain, with a fishing task. a combination of several ideas? Perhaps we have to "fish" in craters?
I was thinking pretty much the same thing.
Only I would guess that we would be fishing from a box in the center of the field that the drives can not see into. Perhaps the box is on a raised platform in the center of the field and we need to mount our cameras in such a way that we can easily pick up some small(or smallish) object from the box and return it to an area on either our side or the opponent's side of the field. (Assuming we have alliances still) If not, to our own individual area/box.
Just a thought.

Charlie 07-12-2008 14:31
Opah, OK
 
i google earthed "opah" and got

36 45'04.00" N 96 17' 35.02" W

an elevation of 840 ft at marker and a large hill in the top left corner of the screen

and 3 small ponds

just fyi

gorrilla 07-12-2008 14:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie (Post 780580)
i google earthed "opah" and got

36 45'04.00" N 96 17' 35.02" W

an elevation of 840 ft at marker and a large hill in the top left corner of the screen

and 3 small ponds

just fyi


i google mapped opah and got, Opah, OK, 74056?

i searched nearby, "frc" and got Team 2165, Team 1863, and Team 1209?

Tottanka 07-12-2008 14:53
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look what i found in the 'Opah' restaurant website, under 'the meaning of opah'.
This restaurant is the first result in google when searching for 'opah'.

http://www.opahrestaurant.com/whats-an-opah.htm
Code:
THE OPAH OR

“MOONFISH”

ONCE WAS VIEWED

AS GOOD LUCK

WHEN CAUGHT BY

OLD-TIME FISHERMEN

AND OFTEN GIVEN AWAY

AS A GESTURE OF

GOOD WILL

njamietech 07-12-2008 14:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
i google earthed "opah" and got

36 45'04.00" N 96 17' 35.02" W

an elevation of 840 ft at marker and a large hill in the top left corner of the screen

and 3 small ponds

just fyi
here is that image

BigWhiteYeti 07-12-2008 15:04
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As much as I would love a water game, I don't think it is going to happen anytime soon. Think about it; if a battery comes loose or we get a short circuit, how would you retrieve your bot? The whole pond would be charged.

I don't think the fish has anything literal to do with the game. It is probably something vague and unimportant about the word "fish" in the context of the game. Perhaps there is something related to fishing, like your manipulator might need a hook to pick up the pieces.

Olde Bill 07-12-2008 15:12
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With Google as a sponsor of FIRST, is it coincidence that Hint #1 is the first image to appear when you Google moonfish images? Also called sunfish and opah ... greek ... olympics ... Sydney Summer 2000 Olympics. Australian ... down under? Opah ... greek wedding ... smashing plates. Scale something like a silver dollar fish in an aquarium up to the size of a moonfish and the playing field becomes an aquarium. Why did the original 50K jpeg file grow to 86K when posted as a hint? Too many questions ... Too many answers.

Chris Dunning 07-12-2008 15:13
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this seriously makes me mad, lol
it's like we're robotics team members in season
detectives and forensic investigators off season, lol

Enigma's puzzle 07-12-2008 15:15
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I believe the individual game idea personally, they don't travel in schools that would be a typical 1st (not the acronym) clue. They want to give you something that will tell you about the game but not give it away.

Whoever has the job of developing clues, has an awesome job, im envious!

stryker0603 07-12-2008 15:24
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I think that the hint is not about the opah. I think it is about the unreadable text. It could mean that the field will have a message on a central platform that changes in between matches that only the cameras can read that will tell where the game pieces need to be scored for a large bonus.

Anna B. 07-12-2008 15:33
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I get it! Since it is a picture of a fish than we will only be able to use fisher price motors

njamietech 07-12-2008 15:35
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Originally Posted by Annette B. (Post 780602)
I get it! Since it is a picture of a fish than we will only be able to use fisher price motors
oh i hope not
:eek:
lol

synth3tk 07-12-2008 15:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tottanka (Post 780585)
look what i found in the 'Opah' restaurant website, under 'the meaning of opah'.
This restaurant is the first result in google when searching for 'opah'.

http://www.opahrestaurant.com/whats-an-opah.htm
Code:
THE OPAH OR

“MOONFISH”

ONCE WAS VIEWED

AS GOOD LUCK

WHEN CAUGHT BY

OLD-TIME FISHERMEN

AND OFTEN GIVEN AWAY

AS A GESTURE OF

GOOD WILL
This sounds more like the FRC game hints. I'm guessing there will be a "big" piece that teams need to go for.

SalenaLynn 07-12-2008 15:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by synth3tk (Post 780605)
This sounds more like the FRC game hints. I'm guessing there will be a "big" piece that teams need to go for.
Can we say Gracious Professionalism?

Sam2197 07-12-2008 16:11
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what is this deal about a password. im confused as to what all of you are talking about trying different things as a password

Beta Version 07-12-2008 16:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam2197 (Post 780619)
what is this deal about a password. im confused as to what all of you are talking about trying different things as a password
Some people are convinced that there is coded information stored in the image. Kinda silly really.

tehpenguin 07-12-2008 16:20
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An encryption was found in the hint.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 779478)
There are many methods of hiding information in photographs. I was able to scan the image at the highest sensitivity for all the major types of encryption (jsteg, jphide, outguess, and invisible) The system of hiding information within photos was able to detect a hidden message. Now the methodology I used just exposes the type of hidden message and not the message itself. The message unfortunatly for us appears to be hidden in the JPHIDE which utilizes a password based encryption so without the password it will be impossible to figure out the message. Although we do know that there is something there.


****disclaimer: the way the analysis tools that I have scan the data it looks for missing voids in repeating color sections of the photo (complex photos with lots of colors are best for hiding). When I tested with normal sensitivity I didn't see any result, but on cranking up the sensitivity I found proof of an encryption. With all things like this it is possible to get a false positive, but since this is all for fun anyway we can just assume it is there.



so what do we think the password is? I might try to make a dictionary and brute force it later after I am done with the bench top test of the new control system.
So there might be information in the picture, I just don't think it was from FRC
because there was an encryption on the the same pictures that were found on the internet.

synth3tk 07-12-2008 16:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SalenaLynn (Post 780609)
Can we say Gracious Professionalism?
I was just saying this sounds more inline with how the hints relate to the game. I was essentially agreeing with the quoted post, not condemning it.

RoboGeek99 07-12-2008 16:35
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i continue to hold that the important thing of the clue is not the picture itself (including the so-called inscription) but the many things the fish represents...
the 2 sides of the moon (2 sided gamefield)
Being given away (something to do with gracious professionalism)
Vertical migration (climbing)
its prominent at 34 degree latitude (ramp angle)
and its four colors (4 types of game pieces)

but it looks like we are all starting to go in circles so it might be best to give the clue a rest until the next hint

njamietech 07-12-2008 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 780624)
i continue to hold that the important thing of the clue is not the picture itself (including the so-called inscription) but the many things the fish represents...
the 2 sides of the moon (2 sided gamefield)
Being given away (something to do with gracious professionalism)
Vertical migration (climbing)
its prominent at 34 degree latitude (ramp angle)
and its four colors (4 types of game pieces)

but it looks like we are all starting to go in circles so it might be best to give the clue a rest until the next hint
isn't verticle migration where the fish swims to a certain depth and back at specific points of a 24 hour period.

eg:

some fish in deep parts of the ocean swim to the surface each night to feed.

maybe this means that there will be times where we work on our own and when we work together.

or maybe it refers to some other type of game that has time periods

or maybe im wrong.

Hmmm....

tehpenguin 07-12-2008 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 780624)
i continue to hold that the important thing of the clue is not the picture itself (including the so-called inscription) but the many things the fish represents...
the 2 sides of the moon (2 sided gamefield)
Being given away (something to do with gracious professionalism)
Vertical migration (climbing)
its prominent at 34 degree latitude (ramp angle)
and its four colors (4 types of game pieces)

but it looks like we are all starting to go in circles so it might be best to give the clue a rest until the next hint

I think you're right that the clues is what the fish represents. If it was anything else then we would have to use a computer program to find what is it the picture and many people may not have the equipment or the programs to do it. The only way to allow everyone at the chance of finding what the hint means is if clue is about what the fish represents.

I know this argument has been posted before but a good deal of people seem to focus on the what's in the picture and not what the picture represents.

RoboGeek99 07-12-2008 16:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tehpenguin (Post 780626)
I think you're right that the clues is what the fish represents. If it was anything else then we would have to use a computer program to find what is it the picture and many people may not have the equipment or the programs to do it. The only way to allow everyone at the chance of finding what the hint means is if clue is about what the fish represents.

I know this argument has been posted before but a good deal of people seem to focus on the what's in the picture and not what the picture represents.
FIRST is all about being as fair and even to all the teams as possible so they wouldnt encript anything seeing as how many (if not most) are not as handy with software like that (myself included)...unless someone has something that would completely prove me wrong i think ill stay the same:rolleyes:

PS- You know that robotics season is here when you bring your food to the computer so not miss anything on CD

hihihiflcl81pig 07-12-2008 16:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SalenaLynn (Post 780609)
Can we say Gracious Professionalism?
I agree with you, that does REALLY sound like Gracious Professionalism (hint hint, you might want to run this be the judges at the competition ;D)

Theres only one thing, FIRST has never had a web search that leads us to a quote at some random web site.

As I was catching up this with the forum today there were still too many people way over thinking this. Step back, this clue isn't that hard.

I personally still stand by my newest idea that we are all Fish out of water

njamietech 07-12-2008 17:09
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hmmm....

someone needs to go through and do what i did last year...

take all the ideas so far and put them into categories and then post all the main categories onto CD.

that way we can filter out what has already been said and help stimulate the production of fresh new ideas.

I would do it myself but i've got finals tomorrow and tuesday. (then im done w00t!).

thats my 2 cents.

Dantvman27 07-12-2008 17:40
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you guys are missing the obvious and i have already solved the clue


according to its wiki page it is also known as the "Jerusalem haddock" so clearly we are building machines to combat the anti-christ.

MikeMascaro 07-12-2008 18:04
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I still stand by the belief we're just "fishing" for something.

Dan2081 07-12-2008 18:38
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I love fish

JM987 07-12-2008 18:54
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I think with all of the rumors of it being a water game this is why FIRST chose a game hint such as a fish to kind of mess with us. I dont think that they will allow the risk of the brand new electronics system that has just been put out on a water game, impossible. But i think the fish is a funny game hint that can tie into something else such as the fish being a moonfish and there being a moonlike terrain.. :rolleyes:

RoboGeek99 07-12-2008 19:08
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After all of this opah talk im ready for a nice moonfish fillet with a side of fries...who is with me?:rolleyes:

smurfgirl 07-12-2008 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 780668)
After all of this opah talk im ready for a nice moonfish fillet with a side of fries...who is with me?:rolleyes:
Hey good thought... maybe this game hint is really just news that Dave is opting for a healthier diet, and has replaced his usual Krispy Kremes with opah. Fish is brain food, you know.

mrbob1000 07-12-2008 19:58
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i like the idea of fishing, fishing is relaxing, i have no idea what robot fishing will be like though... could be difficult.

synth3tk 07-12-2008 20:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 780668)
After all of this opah talk im ready for a nice moonfish fillet with a side of fries...who is with me?:rolleyes:
Here, here!!! :D Although my family just had catfish yesterday, so it's all good...

RoBoCrAzY155 07-12-2008 20:48
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I messed with tha original picture from the usfrist site to see if I could make out the text behind the fish. Can anyone read this? Just trying to help.

synth3tk 07-12-2008 21:02
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Since some people hate me for it (though that doesn't matter) I'll spare the image to show you where it is.
But, searching the thread would've yielded a few beneficial posts, including three or five which already concluded that the background text is either irrelevant or too distorted to figure it out.

TheNewGuy#7 07-12-2008 21:04
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Hmmm, the words look like they are either in a different language, or are backwards... Try reversing the image and doing the same thing. I think that the image was scanned directly out of a book, and the little pieces of image behind the fish look like another fish, so I'm concluding that the text has nothing important to do with he game and is just a detailed summary of some other fish :P.

gorrilla 07-12-2008 21:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by synth3tk (Post 780772)
Since some people hate me for it (though that doesn't matter) I'll spare the image to show you where it is.
But, searching the thread would've yielded a few beneficial posts, including three or five which already concluded that the background text is either irrelevant or too distorted to figure it out.


true, but you have to remember that everyone is really excited, and when people get excited, things get rushed.

hihihiflcl81pig 07-12-2008 21:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JM987 (Post 780658)
I think with all of the rumors of it being a water game this is why FIRST chose a game hint such as a fish to kind of mess with us. I dont think that they will allow the risk of the brand new electronics system that has just been put out on a water game, impossible. But i think the fish is a funny game hint that can tie into something else such as the fish being a moonfish and there being a moonlike terrain.. :rolleyes:
It would be REALLY mean if FIRST were to have all sea related images, and not have the real game be water related. Or just naming a term "Fishing" or a game peace "Bait".

No matter what, a water problem is out of the picture. People have said there is a danger of shocking yourself, shorting the bot, etc. Yet, no one has said that it is nearly impossible to actually test the robot. Our high school doesn't have a pool, and I don't think that the rec-center down the street would be to happy with something contaminating/ chipping the bottom of their pool.

RoboGeek99 07-12-2008 21:16
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i dont know how many times ive read that the image was scanned out of a book...getting kinda old...i think ill borrow a phrase "search the thread is your friend"...weve decided (at least 5 times) that the words are illegible and its most likely not part of the hint...everyone is just going on circles now...i really hope that they throw in the next hint soon

smurfgirl 07-12-2008 21:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 780791)
i dont know how many times ive read that the image was scanned out of a book...getting kinda old...i think ill borrow a phrase "search the thread is your friend"...weve decided (at least 5 times) that the words are illegible and its most likely not part of the hint...everyone is just going on circles now...i really hope that they throw in the next hint soon
Actually, someone found exactly what the text is (posted earlier in this thread), but it's just the description of the fish on the page before (aka not relevant to the hint.

Rich Kressly 07-12-2008 21:47
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Dave's at it again...
his Facebook status leads you here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

Gah....make it stop!

Peter Randall 07-12-2008 22:03
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Ok, so I've waded through most of the posts - lots of creative ideas. I have one question. If FIRST wanted to convey a hint about fish, of the millions of images about the multitude of different species of fish, why did they pick this one? As the image is not original, it was specifically selected for a characteristic. I believe that the hint must be specific to the Opah or one of its alternative names or characteristics. Of all the suggestions, I like the Moon, Fish, Ocean game concept the best.

Follow the logic from the GDC perspective. A Rock, Paper & Scissors type game - how can we obfuscate that in a plausible hint?

Rock, Paper & Scissors -> Moon, Fish, Ocean -> moon fish -> Opah -> Ok, let’s go find the most cryptic image we can find on Google images that can be clearly identified as an Opah thus providing a single plausible path, but which also provides a multitude of false leads.

PGR

JaneYoung 07-12-2008 22:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Kressly (Post 780797)
Dave's at it again...
his Facebook status leads you here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

Gah....make it stop!
Dave is slap happy.

DMetalKong 07-12-2008 22:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Kressly (Post 780797)
Dave's at it again...
his Facebook status leads you here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

Gah....make it stop!
The game this year: cut down the biggest tree in the forest, with a HERRING! *gasp*

EricH 07-12-2008 22:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneYoung (Post 780805)
Dave is slap happy.
I move that as many people as can make it to the Kickoff do that sketch with the full GDC. Then do it again with just Dave and/or Aidan at any events they attend.:p

njamietech 07-12-2008 22:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Kressly (Post 780797)
Dave's at it again...
his Facebook status leads you here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

Gah....make it stop!
MONTY PYTHON IS AWESOME!!!!!!

IndySam 07-12-2008 22:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DMetalKong (Post 780806)
The game this year: cut down the biggest tree in the forest, with a HERRING! *gasp*
nee

hipsterjr 07-12-2008 22:12
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I don't know if anyone actually remembers, but "rack and roll" had fish as the game clue. So lets focus on the connections of the fish to that game THEN try to make some parallels for this year.

khr1stian 07-12-2008 22:20
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lil bit 'o photoshopping:

ill post a better one after i figure out how to clarify more of the text

EricH 07-12-2008 22:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hipsterjr (Post 780811)
I don't know if anyone actually remembers, but "rack and roll" had fish as the game clue. Some lets focus on the connections of the fish to that game THEN try to make some parallels for this year.
Not the official hint. Though the game did have some red herrings associated with it (gee, thanks, Dave).

Oh, and any photoshop you do, someone has probably done for you. Please search the thread-- it's in the thread's orange bar.

Nin_estarSaerah 07-12-2008 22:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 780807)
Then do it again with just Dave and/or Aidan at any events they attend.:p
Aidan is one of our old mentors. im pretty sure we still have " Aidan on a stick" (a picture of aidan glued to a yardstick) somewhere around the shop. Anyone want to borrow it to vent frustrations about the game? Jk, Aidan, we love you.

IndySam 07-12-2008 22:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by khr1stian (Post 780815)
lil bit 'o photoshopping:

ill post a better one after i figure out how to clarify more of the text
OMG OMG OMG OMG :)

ChuckDickerson 07-12-2008 23:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Randall (Post 780803)
Ok, so I've waded through most of the posts - lots of creative ideas. I have one question. If FIRST wanted to convey a hint about fish, of the millions of images about the multitude of different species of fish, why did they pick this one? As the image is not original, it was specifically selected for a characteristic. I believe that the hint must be specific to the Opah or one of its alternative names or characteristics. Of all the suggestions, I like the Moon, Fish, Ocean game concept the best.

Follow the logic from the GDC perspective. A Rock, Paper & Scissors type game - how can we obfuscate that in a plausible hint?

Rock, Paper & Scissors -> Moon, Fish, Ocean -> moon fish -> Opah -> Ok, let’s go find the most cryptic image we can find on Google images that can be clearly identified as an Opah thus providing a single plausible path, but which also provides a multitude of false leads.

PGR

This was my logic exactly. If we are thinking like the GDC then the next obvious question is how do you play “rock, paper, scissors” or the new Zen version “moon, fish, ocean” with robots? I have always thought of “rock, paper, scissors” as a two player game while “moon, fish, ocean” can be played with 1, 2, or 3 players (according to www.moonfishocean.com). What could this mean for alliances?

We should also consider that the clue might be leading us not to the game “moon, fish, ocean” but the game’s creator Craig Conley. Check out www.oneletterwords.com. Maybe something about this grand master of words is what we are supposed to figure out?

R.C. 07-12-2008 23:12
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I think the relationship between the 07 and the 09 game hint is that they both have ramps involved. Instead of building one you have to climb one at 34 degrees. I really do think that there will be a terrain change which causes teams to redesign their chassis a tad or teams may have to add more friction to their wheels.

RoboGeek99 07-12-2008 23:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rc_cola1323 (Post 780840)
I think the relationship between the 07 and the 09 game hint is that they both have ramps involved. Instead of building one you have to climb one at 34 degrees. I really do think that there will be a terrain change which causes teams to redesign their chassis a tad or teams may have to add more friction to their wheels.
there we go i think were back in the right direction...ive read the entire thread (blah) and ive seen the 34 degree thing everywhere i just dont know how it was brought up (or dont member)...as for the terrain i think it will be two different terrains (the field will be divided in two) bc of the light and dark side of the moon

Ice Berg 07-12-2008 23:28
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I mentioned the dark and light side of the moon thing before and I still agree with that, but I don't think it can be that and the 34 degree ramp at the same time because 34 was a number gotten from the latitude or longitude that the fish is found at. I think the chances that they found a fish whose name applies to the game, and is found at a long/lat that is applicable as well is very unlikely. However, I do agree with you that there will be some sort of uneven terrain, but not necessarily something at 34 degrees.

R.C. 07-12-2008 23:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg (Post 780843)
I mentioned the dark and light side of the moon thing before and I still agree with that, but I don't think it can be that and the 34 degree ramp at the same time because 34 was a number gotten from the latitude or longitude that the fish is found at. I think the chances that they found a fish whose name applies to the game, and is found at a long/lat that is applicable as well is very unlikely. However, I do agree with you that there will be some sort of uneven terrain, but not necessarily something at 34 degrees.
How steep were the ramps from 07 made, they were pretty steep and some were not. Maybe the ramps are about 30 degree ish. The terrain could be like two sides and the game could be a mix of stack attack and the aim high. Two sides of the field and a big ramp in the middle. For all we know a mix of everything. 07's ramp, 06's two side playing, 05's different color objects, 04's (stack attack i think) ramp in the middle, 08's ir ability. Maybe first wants us to use alll the resources possible and make some cool, innovated robots. Also, this would be a year to level the field off.

Just some thoughts (i have read this entire post and keep posting away, random ideas are awesome; better than none) :yikes:

Ice Berg 08-12-2008 00:04
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So I was trying to imagine how the GDC makes their hints and, obviously not for the firstclue, I would imagine they base the hints off ideas posted on CD that are false leads. This in fact could help when we get the next hint. We could eliminate what seems to be consistent with both hints (they wouldn't be that obvious). However, while I write this I figure that "hey the GDC will probably read this too" and then do some reverse psychology to further throw us off. I guess basically what I'm trying to say is the deeper we look into each, the more confusing the next one will be.

ZInventor 08-12-2008 00:12
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Originally Posted by Ice Berg (Post 780851)
So I was trying to imagine how the GDC makes their hints and, obviously not for the firstclue, I would imagine they base the hints off ideas posted on CD that are false leads. This in fact could help when we get the next hint. We could eliminate what seems to be consistent with both hints (they wouldn't be that obvious). However, while I write this I figure that "hey the GDC will probably read this too" and then do some reverse psychology to further throw us off. I guess basically what I'm trying to say is the deeper we look into each, the more confusing the next one will be.
Agreed...

The GDC is comprised of :ahh: :ahh: !!!EVIL GENIUSES!!! :ahh: :ahh:

-Z

MDiff 08-12-2008 00:32
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these game hints are in general pretty useless
why bother speculating?
for fun =D

now a friend and i were having fun running down random routes that this could mean, and the most amusing we derived was:

Opah => Opa => flaming cheese => cheese => cheese wedge => triangle => TRIANGLE GAME PIECES!

But, one must also note, that these clues can be totally useless
Remember 07?
the 7 on the diamond steel plate?
All it was, was part of the field
the 7 meant nothing, nor did the circle, nor the steel plate.
One needn't invest so much time in looking into the clues.

EricH 08-12-2008 00:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDiff (Post 780864)
Remember 07?
the 7 on the diamond steel plate?
All it was, was part of the field
the 7 meant nothing, nor did the circle, nor the steel plate.
One needn't invest so much time in looking into the clues.
Technically, that was a 5, though it could just as easily have been any other number between 1 and 8, inclusive. The circle was an inner tube, as was figured out. I seem to recall that the picture was of a blue tube on the top level of the scoring structure... And things were figured out to some extent for the second year in a row at least.

I'm guessing that a) we've hit something about the game and don't know it and b) there's more coming...

EricH 08-12-2008 02:08
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Originally Posted by nin_coco (Post 780879)
i think u guys are thinking to hard and if is a 34 degrees slant just and add more gears to ur weels mabey a 25 or 35 chain wouldn't that fix the problem?
If it's a 34 degree slant, the existing 6WD concepts should make it easily--that's only 4 degrees steeper than the one in 2006. Might be about the slope of some of the 2007 ramps, too--and how many teams couldn't get up them? (Given the time, that is--it's kind of hard to go up a narrow ramp with only 15-20 seconds left when you come screaming in from the other end of the field.)

Jmasta 08-12-2008 08:37
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I think since the clue is a fish, we may need hooks to get the game peice. or the game peices will be in a bucket or large container instead of all around the field

xxsumz 08-12-2008 09:27
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Originally Posted by lenny8 (Post 779355)
YES!!!!!! you know what this means......


WATER GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I doubt it will be a water game. I see it pointless to build a robot then ruin it in the water.

Flare_Eyes 08-12-2008 09:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xxsumz (Post 780919)
I doubt it will be a water game. I see it pointless to build a robot then ruin it in the water.
true that it is pointless.
they're just trying to confuse us ;)

M. Gildner 08-12-2008 10:16
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you know how the same image was found online with an older date than the one first posted, well has anyone tried finding the author, may be waste of time but just a thought.

qwertyuiop[]\ 08-12-2008 10:22
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rampBOTS. also teams with narrow ramps werent the smartest. Fold out ramps all the way.

codye91 08-12-2008 11:00
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The fish is an Opah, also referred to as the "moon-fish"

Moonfish is also the name of an audio tracker program for windows.

Moonfish is also the name of a digital media agency based in the UK.

As far as the text goes... I still have no idea.

fhx34 08-12-2008 11:37
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you need to make the robot fish for moon fish lol
(i don't get that ither it was a bad idea and i shouldn't have said it) sry

Elgin Clock 08-12-2008 12:25
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OMG!! New info amongst all the repeats here!!! w000000!!! :D
Anyways:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2032769024/ch0041906

John Ratzenberger was the voice of a school of Moonfish in the movie Finding NEMO.

On top of that movie credit to his name, he is the founder of a program with very similar ideals of FIRST.

http://www.nutsandboltsfoundation.org/

And the plot thickens... :yikes:

jaz 08-12-2008 12:28
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How about a game similar to a kids carnval game where you use a magnet and a stick to pull fish out of a barrel.

I would like to see a game based upon A Big Fat Greek Wedding - where we pick up plates and smash them on the floor. Opah!:cool:

Tottanka 08-12-2008 12:40
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 780966)
OMG!! New info amongst all the repeats here!!! w000000!!! :D
Anyways:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2032769024/ch0041906

John Ratzenberger was the voice of a school of Moonfish in the movie Finding NEMO.

On top of that movie credit to his name, he is the founder of a program with very similar ideals of FIRST.

http://www.nutsandboltsfoundation.org/

And the plot thickens... :yikes:
WOW That's a sweet find!

Andrew Schuetze 08-12-2008 12:44
Pink Floyd
 
So what we need from the GDC in the next clue / hint is a reference to any lyric on the Pink Floyd album "Darkside of the Moon."

Elgin Clock 08-12-2008 12:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tottanka (Post 780971)
WOW That's a sweet find!
Thanks.
But... there is only one thing that is getting to me with that new find. The Opa (or Moonfish) is a loner fish & are not usually found in schools* going by all the descriptions we have found so far, so why would Pixar make them a school???

Kind of odd.



* http://www.state.hi.us/dbedt/seafood/opah.html
Quote:
Opah are not found in schools, and thus are not caught in any quantity.

GaryVoshol 08-12-2008 12:51
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 780966)
OMG!! New info amongst all the repeats here!!! w000000!!! :D
Anyways:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2032769024/ch0041906

John Ratzenberger was the voice of a school of Moonfish in the movie Finding NEMO.

On top of that movie credit to his name, he is the founder of a program with very similar ideals of FIRST.

http://www.nutsandboltsfoundation.org/

And the plot thickens... :yikes:
Oh man, we're back to mailboxes!

eschanz 08-12-2008 12:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NBurek (Post 780189)
I also think that it could have something to do with the dot pattern on the fish. As mentioned before, the new camera this year is going to have a lot of capabilities and I think one of those is shape/pattern recognition. I also like the aforementioned idea of having the drivers windows painted black so that they can't see and must navigate using the camera.
If that is true then i think most people will have trouble using the camera to drive the bot.

The only thing i can think of is having it identify colored "fish" and some colors are worth more, also the more points the "fish" are the heavier they might be,to take longer to reel in.

Alan Anderson 08-12-2008 12:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 780966)
John Ratzenberger was the voice of a school of Moonfish in the movie Finding NEMO.
Well done! That opens up several new fertile fields of speculation.

And I had just decided that this would be my last check of the thread. I thought reading it any further would be pointless. Thanks for giving me a reason to indulge my addiction. :-P

(Didn't we already find that moonfish are solitary, and don't do schools?)

Elgin Clock 08-12-2008 13:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 780978)
(Didn't we already find that moonfish are solitary, and don't do schools?)
Yeah, I'm questioning that (The Pixar representation of them as a school) a few posts later:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&postcount=576

njamietech 08-12-2008 13:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 780981)
Yeah, I'm questioning that (The Pixar representation of them as a school) a few posts later:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&postcount=576
that confuses me as well as the fish in the movie look nothing like the fish in the picture.

(no red fins)

Brandon Holley 08-12-2008 13:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 780981)
Yeah, I'm questioning that (The Pixar representation of them as a school) a few posts later:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&postcount=576
The fish in finding nemo may be called moonfish, but the clue most certainly does not look like the fish in the movie by any means.

Also, I once saw an episode of Iron Chef where the "secret ingredient" was Opah...and those fish are HUGE!

eschanz 08-12-2008 14:18
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:confused: :) :yikes: :eek: :mad:

njamietech 08-12-2008 14:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eschanz (Post 781006)
:confused: :) :yikes: :eek: :mad:
ummmmm...

can we stay focused pleaze

eschanz 08-12-2008 14:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eschanz (Post 781008)
:confused: :) :yikes: :eek: :mad:
just got bored of everone talking about the same stuff

EricH 08-12-2008 14:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eschanz (Post 781009)
just got bored of everone talking about the same stuff
What else is there to talk about? Game hint #2 hasn't come out yet, if there is one.

njamietech 08-12-2008 14:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 781010)
What else is there to talk about? Game hint #2 hasn't come out yet, if there is one.

I really hope there is one

For my sanity's sake

lbl1731 08-12-2008 15:09
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 780966)
OMG!! New info amongst all the repeats here!!! w000000!!! :D
Anyways:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2032769024/ch0041906

John Ratzenberger was the voice of a school of Moonfish in the movie Finding NEMO.

On top of that movie credit to his name, he is the founder of a program with very similar ideals of FIRST.

http://www.nutsandboltsfoundation.org/

And the plot thickens... :yikes:
Then maybe there's a connection with the shapes the fish make in the movie. The pirate ship, the octopus, the lobster....Or even just the fact that the fish are changing shape at all. Working together to change shape. (alliances)
These things could have something to do with the game.
The scenario would be this; Member of GDC watching nemo, saw the fish, got idea, did a quick search, found out they were moonfish, didn't want to use the same fish because that would be too obvious, google search, first picture, game hint.

smurfgirl 08-12-2008 15:09
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 781012)
I really hope there is one

For my sanity's sake
I'm guessing since it was labeled "Game Hint #1" on usfirst.org, it means there is at least one more hint coming our way. One hint isn't enough to hold us through until January!

Tottanka 08-12-2008 15:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lbl1731 (Post 781018)
Then maybe there's a connection with the shapes the fish make in the movie. The pirate ship, the octopus, the lobster....Or even just the fact that the fish are changing shape at all. Working together to change shape. (alliances)
These things could have something to do with the game.
The scenario would be this; Member of GDC watching nemo, saw the fish, got idea, did a quick search, found out they were moonfish, didn't want to use the same fish because that would be too obvious, google search, first picture, game hint.
I will eat a whole shop of hats if that is true...

C'mon guys, let's not get ridiculous....

njamietech 08-12-2008 15:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lbl1731 (Post 781018)
Then maybe there's a connection with the shapes the fish make in the movie. The pirate ship, the octopus, the lobster....Or even just the fact that the fish are changing shape at all. Working together to change shape. (alliances)
These things could have something to do with the game.
The scenario would be this; Member of GDC watching nemo, saw the fish, got idea, did a quick search, found out they were moonfish, didn't want to use the same fish because that would be too obvious, google search, first picture, game hint.
This explanation actually makes sense

maybe this our answer?

Edit: although it does seem too good to be true

Edit 2: didn't we think last year that the clue had something to do with national treasure?

jax1488 08-12-2008 15:27
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Right now mr dave lavery is reading all these posts and laughing a very evil laugh.

cause we all know what this game is going to be..

not a single thing you guys are mentioning.

lol:D

MikeMascaro 08-12-2008 15:28
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Yeah last year everyone thought it had to do with national treasure. We ended up racing instead. :p

Tottanka 08-12-2008 15:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMascaro (Post 781026)
Yeah last year everyone thought it had to do with national treasure. We ended up racing instead. :p
Actually, many people figured out it was a race last year.
Problem is, even if you guess right and are 100% sure it is the game, you won't even start thinking about a design, as you are sure you are wrong..

JaneYoung 08-12-2008 15:35
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Ok, so here's what I've been thinking about for a day or two.

I looked up the Pixar/NEMO/moonfish thing a couple of days ago and got a look at those fish. I liked the fact that moonfish were in NEMO because of the movie and Pixar. I didn't like the fact that they were in a school and the brief research I've done shows them as loners and leaves enough gray area that I can't get a really good grip on their habits or much about them. They seem to be popular in the area of games. I even found an invisible moonfish board of sorts. But, nothing seems really concrete to me - a lot seems murky, hard to grasp.

It's fun, though. One thing for sure, this tale is going to be a whopper before it's over.

Zflash 08-12-2008 15:40
Re: Game Hint #1
 
Stirs the pot some....Opah Oklahoma....Stirs the pot again.

Elgin Clock 08-12-2008 16:02
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Originally Posted by Zflash (Post 781032)
Stirs the pot some....Opah Oklahoma....Stirs the pot again.
Oh no!!!
Now we have a geographical location to throw into the mix yet again?!?!?!?!

::groan:: :ahh:

Then again, a quick Google Maps look at that area makes it look kinda boring. (No offense to any Oklahoma residents in the house... lol)
Although, there seems to be a lake in that town in the shape of a shark! Ahahahaha!

Zflash 08-12-2008 16:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 781041)
Although, there seems to be a lake in that town in the shape of a shark! Ahahahaha!
I was hoping someonelse would pick up on that.

njamietech 08-12-2008 16:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zflash (Post 781043)
I was hoping someonelse would pick up on that.
ROFL

:D :P :D

Elgin Clock 08-12-2008 16:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zflash (Post 781043)
I was hoping someone else would pick up on that.
Glad to be of service! :cool:


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