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I think that is irelevant... I'm sticking to my belief in that the name moonfish is such a generic fish name ( cause it ends in fish ) that they were trying to emphisize the moon part... And that the field will have not the same old boring flat surface ( like moon) but will have higher scoring game pieces in harder to manuever places
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I've been reading this and thinking about the clue for a while now (haven't we all!!!) and have come to the conclusion that the hints are always over thought. I think that we will simply be "fishing" for something. Maybe we will be reaching into a tank (full of water?!?!? :eek: ) or just grabbing things, who knows. That's just my two cents.
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The main reason that we are focusing so much on "moonfish" is because that image is the first image that you get when you google "moonfish."Other names for an opah, when put into an image search can come up with very different looking fish than the one we are dealing with. We aren't actually sure that "moonfish" or "opah" are the names we should focus on, but they seem like the strongest leads to follow.
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Ohhh Chiefdelphi how I love you and your 700 posts about a picture of a fish.
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hey I sit here pressing f5 every few seconds (:rolleyes: :D ).
when im not pressing f5 im playing chuzzle on popcap.com. lol |
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:D wow... Okay so I have been obsessing over this so I figured I'd post what I found out, I know most of it is probally in other posts but I figured I would make it easy to get to in one big post. If anyone sees anything I didn’t please let me know!!! I don’t know everything or even close to it!!! THANKS
Well as we all know it’s called an OPAH fish:rolleyes: , its scientific name is lampris guttatus, and there are only two living species in the genus lampris (which in Greek means brilliant or clear). FIRST is calling it by its nickname moonfish, we know this because the picture as of the time it was posted was only found on Google images as MOONFISH and not an opah fish. They also have no edited the picture in any way. The picture is found on may other websites in the exact form. The words in the background are the words from another page of other fish, and the picture is a shark. The small water stain at the top of the page was also not put thier by FIRST. There are also two other fish with the nickname Moonfish, the American Spade Fish and the Diamond Fish, spades and diamonds. Cards anyone? Maybe we need to fool other teams like a poker face or something. A strange fact about the fish I found was that it is found in the southern oceans and won’t cross the 34th parallel North. So I am thinking maybe we cannot cross a certain line and maybe we have to place something over the line ect. The fish is also a very rare fish and if caught is very prize worthy, maybe we have to capture an item that will gain us a lot of points or have to keep an item from other teams :p (like keep away). The median & fins of the fish are bright vermillion, which is an orangish red pigment. Vermillion(HgS) is naturally produced by reacting mercury with sulfur. Vermillion- RBG (227, 66, 52) HSV (5%, 77%, 89%) Hex Triplet #E34234. It is harmful when in contact with skin, and is toxic if swallowed or inhaled, this might mean that we have to keep away from something and we lose points if we touch it ect. It's molar mass is 232.66 g mol -1, its density is 8.10g cm-3, its melting point is 583.5C and its boiling point is unknown. If any of those numbers mean anything to anyone please let me know. The fish is also deeply keeled, and compressed. The body is slightly blue grading to rose on the belly, with white spots on the flanks. I cannot make a connection between the coloring and a game other then maybe there will be different colored game pieces. Another important fact about it is that it travels alone. so maybe we will be play every robot for itself? It also has 4 different colored skin so maybe its 4 on 4. Or again maybe it’s every man for himself and 1V1V1V1, with four teams on the field at a time. This would be very hard though considering how the fields were set up last year. They would have to make a lot of changes to the design... The flesh of the fish is very stringy and hard to fillet. Maybe the game piece will be hard to hold or it'll be hard to get off the robot, like a magnet?... any ideas with that fact please let me know! Another thing about the game piece is that the fish is very large flat and kinda ugly.. lol shape of the game piece? Like a football shape? :yikes: Another thing is the symbolic meaning of the fish or water maybe not the fish itself. Water has a symbolic meaning of depth of knowledge, it contains all the mysteries of the deep. We never know what’s at the bottom of the ocean. Maybe there will be a black out session where we rely totally on sensors?, and cannot see?... Fish on the other hand has a lot of meanings. It means fertility eternity creativity femininity good luck happiness knowledge and transformation. Transformation is the only one I could make a connection with. Maybe there are moving objects on the field we need to avoid. That in my option would be awesome.. But with the new control system I am not sure if they would do that. They could also make this the autonomous mode where the robot has to move around the track and detect the moving parts and go around them?.. Thats all that I can really think of right now... If anything else comes up please let me know!!! :P |
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Another way of having an uneven surface would be a field with bunch of ramps. Ramps allow for changes in elevation/rougher driving, add a level of strategy to the match, and are easy enough for first year teams to navigate. My final idea would be to have, say a bunch of traffic cones on the field, or similar object that wouldn't damage a robot that chose to ignore them, but would slow it down. /2cents. |
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OMGOSH!!!!! we have a genius in our midst. lol alot of what you say makes sense and sounds fun. maybe she has the right idea |
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Does anyone besides me think that this thread has lost basically any chance for new and innovative ideas?...i think that this hint has been squeezed dry, then again i could be wrong and we probably overlooked something "obvious"
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yes, we've gone over every possible idea multiple times. No, we're not going to stop. Welcome to FIRST. :D
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im starting to feel that way too. C'mon FIRST! give us the next hint! |
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Okay rule numbre one: You mmust find any and all bizzare ideas and plottings for the first game hint until the second comes out and debunks all of our ideas.
so for the record, we should recap all of this soon shouldn't we? |
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I bet this hint is only very loosely connected with the game and the officials at FIRST are laughing at us right now.
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I'm surprised Mr. Lavery hasn't posted lately to laugh or talk about his car that's on the moon. (maybe some moon missions? We seemed to be geared towards aerospace stuff lately)
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"quick! lets go play 'stupefy the students'!" <-- (GDC) |
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I agree with you, but its so much fun to just through around every possible connection we can make:P ... Its like a HUGE puzzle we will pretty much NEVER know the awnser to!!!! :yikes: |
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...CD is my myspace...and yes i cant stop looking and refreshing the page (while im studying for 3 finals)...yep robotics is back:)
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my eyes hurt:eek: :) |
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WOOOOOO 100th post |
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i didnt even post some of the really good anagrams but my favorite is still Lampris regius === Realism Grip Us :yikes: |
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the letters in the background mean nothing you can search moonfish on google images and guess what picture comes up... yup, the same one of the hint, but wait whats this, oh its another website.... so don't think so deeply in the image its self.... more or less around why did they pick this fish? I think the name Moonfish might have something to do with it... just a guess
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maybe the hint means that it has nothing to do with the fish but the moon,
such as the surface area, meaning the ground wont be even.. if so.. *whips out the treads again* |
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you might like it. i was lucky last year and had the "drive straight turn left" before kickoff but did not know what it meant. :( |
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Edit: Did you figure the anagram using some software or with pencil and paper |
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I think the game is going to like rock, paper, scissors, shoot! just a guess :eek:
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2007 and 2005 were tic tac toe... maybe its Rock paper scissors turn? |
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I feel like I'm watching a dog chasing it's tail, and doesn't stop for 1/2 a week.
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Who says we are anagraming the right thing? Maybe we should try to anagram thirty-four? what else can we try out?
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A lot of people have discussed the rock paper scissors game, but honestly, how would you play that with a robot? how would it be competitive? how would it even be a game? I'd love to hear some ideas on this.
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Has anyone tried anagramning FISH?
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If you want an original game I gave you one! Alright there probably won't really be an actual inmate. But I still think that it is prison oriented. I mean come on! Shank?! Moon Fish?! (a prison term!?)
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Hey is there a pattern here between hints? Like last year. Our first hint was a picture/physical object. Then our second clue was a "riddle"/intangible clue.
perhaps this is our physical clue... perhaps FIRST is sending all of it's teams a supply of fish this year?:rolleyes: |
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I hope the next hint doesn't stir up so many aquatic theories.
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to satisfy you people who think it's a water game... We all need to build robotic fish for an underwater search and rescue.
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now that you've said it----it will :rolleyes: *evil laugh* <-- (gdc) |
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http://wordsmith.org/anagram |
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Whoa i have the video on my computer!
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that was my favorite part of the movie |
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the last posts pretty much tell the story about how many new and relevant ideas toward the clue there really are:rolleyes:
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I think to get any meaning out of this hint, you have to think about what the GDC would think. How would they come up with this picture? The most obvious choice is that they googled moonfish. It's the first picture that comes up. Why would they pick the name moonfish? I think the game has something to do with the name of the fish. If it had something to do with the different aspects of the actual fish such as the 34th parallel or the spots or the location of the fish, how would the GDC find the moonfish? Unless they are super smart and just know everything about the moonfish. I think it's far more likely that the game has something to do with the moon and Mr. Lavery or whoever took moon and slapped fish on it (just for jokes), did a search and with great luck found a really strange picture of a really strange fish that happened to have the name moonfish. I don't know. Something to think about.
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No offense to any of the many recent poster but PLEASE people, GO BACK AND READ AT LEAST SOME of the other pages. Please please please. It may not be to you, but its annoying to see the redundancy in all of these posts of people who do not go back to read at least some of the pages and ideas.
I ask politely that people please go back to read the other posts and stop to think before they post another "what if" and "I think" topic up here. I know its just a game hint but there is a point when something like redundancy gets very annoying and it is a pet peeve of mine. Again, this is not to point out certain people or to be rude. |
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i think this thread is pretty much dead.
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It's not dead at all! Im keeping it alive by myself, who's with me?
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Location-- GDC underground secret war room
"Alright people,we got the game. Now how do we drive them into a feeding frenzy?" "Well,part of the game is to stick your apponent with that thing." "Good,good. Lets work with that." "Hmmm,put on the them,stick on them, give to them." "Give to them? You know, there is this fish your suppose to give away if you catch it. I think it's called moonfish." "Great. Find ,post and let's call it a night." Game---- Hot Potato |
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780 posts and no one has mentioned that moon-fish could represent the Dreamworks logo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks Dreamworks first full-length feature was Antz. Ants work together. Consider our control system this year. |
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I believe a start/finish line indicated a race type game & the Just Shoot Me reference indicated a shooting game. Those are VERY relevant & were key elements of the game. Fish... I'm not so sure about. |
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but ya... hindsight better than foresight watch this clue be obvious when we actually get game. |
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Anyone remember that old saying, the big fish eats the little fish? This might be a bit abstract, but then again, what isn't on these game hint threads?
For a while there was a trend of platforms or special bonus areas that you wanted to end up in . . . maybe this year, you get bonus points for caging your alliance-mate's robot? Or maybe even some other use of cages? IDK where that came from, but there's my input for the day. :cool: |
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I am putting together all of my information and theroys on the FISH and other meaning and connections. I'll probally be finshed later tonight... Its already a page long... :P ... I know I'm obssesed but I absoluelty love this stuff, I am determined to figure it out, Just so I can say i did:yikes:...
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Robotic Sushi Maker !!! Oooohh yeaaa !!!
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:D wow... Okay so I have been obsessing over this so I figured I'd post what I found out. If anyone sees anything I didn’t please let me know!!! I don’t know everything or even close to it!!! Also I know I have posted this before but I edited it and added a lot of information and I figured I’d make it easier and put it all in one place. THANKS!!!
Well as we all know it’s called an OPAH fish :rolleyes:, its scientific name is lampris guttatus, and there are only two living species in the genus lampris (which in Greek means brilliant or clear). FIRST is calling it by its nickname moonfish, we know this because the picture as of the time it was posted was only found on Google images as MOONFISH and not an opah fish. There are also two other fish with the nickname Moonfish, the American Spade Fish and the Diamond Fish, spades and diamonds. Cards anyone? Maybe we need to fool other teams like a poker face or something. A strange fact about the fish I found was that it is found in the southern oceans and won’t cross the 34th parallel North. So I am thinking maybe we cannot cross a certain line and maybe we have to place something over the line ect. The fish is also a very rare fish to be caught in groups. It travels alone but sometimes with groups of tuna. They are regularly caught by deep line fishermen near Hawaii. Maybe we will be one on one or maybe there are special pieces we have to obtain and keep from our opponents for points since the fish only come alone. (like keep away). Tying together the two Ideas as a game, maybe there is a line we cannot cross but we must receive something past the line that is worth a lot of points. Maybe something moving or hung up that we need to use a claw to reach. The median & fins of the fish are bright vermillion, which is an orange-is red pigment. Vermillion (HgS) is naturally produced by reacting mercury with sulfur. Vermillion- RBG (227, 66, 52) HSV (5%, 77%, 89%) Hex Triplet #E34234. I was thinking maybe we could take those numbers and change them into there letters (the ones on phones). It would be E 3(def) 4(ghi) 2(abc) 3(def) and 4(ghi), if anyone sees a patter or words within those letters please let me know. It could possibly be in a different language. It is harmful when in contact with skin, and is toxic if swallowed or inhaled, this might mean that we have to keep away from something and we lose points if we touch it ect. Its molar mass is 232.66 g mol -1, its density is 8.10g cm-3, its melting point is 583.5C and its boiling point is unknown. If any of those numbers mean anything to anyone please let me know. The fish is also deeply keeled, and compressed. The body is slightly blue grading to rose on the belly, with white spots on the flanks. I cannot make a connection between the coloring and a game other then maybe there will be different colored game pieces. It also has 4 different colored skins, one along its backbone that is orangish flesh, one type on the belly that is pink, on e on the fish’s cheeks that is dark red, and another type that is bright ruby red or liver colored on the breastplate. . This could mean that maybe its 4 on 4. Or again maybe it’s every man for himself and 1V1V1V1, with four teams on the field at a time. This would be very hard though considering how the fields were set up last year. They would have to make a lot of changes to the design... :cool: The flesh of the fish is very stringy and hard to fillet. Maybe the game piece will be hard to hold or it'll be hard to get off the robot, like a magnet?... any ideas with that fact please let me know! Another thing about the game piece is that the fish is very large flat and kind of ugly.. lol shape of the game piece? Like a football shape? :yikes: Another thing is the symbolic meaning of the fish or water maybe not the fish itself. Water has a symbolic meaning of depth of knowledge, it contains all the mysteries of the deep. We never know what’s at the bottom of the ocean. Maybe there will be a black out session where we rely totally on sensors?, and cannot see?... Fish on the other hand has a lot of meanings. It means fertility eternity creativity femininity good luck happiness knowledge and transformation. Transformation is the only one I could make a connection with. Maybe there are moving objects on the field we need to avoid. That in my option would be awesome.. But with the new control system I am not sure if they would do that. They could also make this the autonomous mode where the robot has to move around the track and detect the moving parts and go around them?.. I also do not believe, although they are absolutely awesome and creative, that Lampris Guttatus used in an anagram will give us a hint to the game. I really wish they would but there are about 66669 of them. I am not sure if they would make us really figure that one out… But who knows? I am going to keep looking into that because I love them. Also dream works logo… It’s a MOON with a guy FISHing… I know your probably thinking now im crazy, but someone brought this up. Their first full feature length film was antz. Guess what Antz do… they work together. So I am back to thinking that it’s going to be 4V4 because of the skin color. The OPAH fish also makes a vertical migration along the seamounts near Hawaii in search of food. Maybe we will have to make a vertical movement to capture something. Like going up a ramp and getting something then going back down, or something of that sort. The fish also swims in a labriform. Labriform swimming is when the fish uses its small fin or flipper to move it’s self in a rowing motion. Maybe this year we have to move our robot in different angles or use different type o transportation, like tracks. Or that weird boot thing on the robot in the videos. J The climate and areas they live in are pretty normal. They submerge approximately 100-400 meters deep and are found generally near Hawaii. There might be a difference in set up, like we are contained to a pacific area but need to get something or put something somewhere we cannot move to. it’s a far connection but hey it works right? That’s all I can really think o right now… There must be something more but as of right now I have no idea. If anyone finds anything else please let me know! I know I’m missing a lot!!! Also please respond with what you think is right about my predictions and what’s wrong, sometimes when other people look through they see what others haven’t… THANKS!!! PS. IF ANYTHING ELSE COMES UP PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!:ahh: |
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I'll wait for the Cliff Notes on that post, Sammy...
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Fish... Fish... All i can think of is Dr. Seuss:
One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish Anyone know thw whole story? There might be a clue in there.. perhaps I'm just fishing for an answer. I noticed we all seem to be floundering around with the idea... Holy Mackeral this is a hard clue to guess!:D |
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I like the concept of a magnet.
Also fish = feminity? Also does anyone know the scale of the pull down ramp in FTC this year? Is it 34 degrees? |
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(First member opens the forums) -- Holy %$#@ -- i guess its time to give them another clue.... -- wow, if i had thees kids thought prosesses life would be much more interesting... -- (puts in a new game hint that compleatly spunks all of our creative ideas) -- (evil laugh) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- (arbitrary kid on forums press F5 (or whatever other way you refresh) -- wow... the last week of my life reading and studying wasted... -- (/faint) -- ( other kids begin to sign on ) -- (as they start to think about the hint ... they get depressed that all there ideas were wrong... then procede to punch out there moniter... only later forgetting that, that was a real dumb idea... -- (kids with self control sign on) -- (they then proceed to make compleatly new ideas on what the game hint is supposed to mean -- (First member opens forums and laughs) . |
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