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xnaut 09-12-2008 16:19

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I think that is irelevant... I'm sticking to my belief in that the name moonfish is such a generic fish name ( cause it ends in fish ) that they were trying to emphisize the moon part... And that the field will have not the same old boring flat surface ( like moon) but will have higher scoring game pieces in harder to manuever places

TheFuryan 09-12-2008 16:29

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I've been reading this and thinking about the clue for a while now (haven't we all!!!) and have come to the conclusion that the hints are always over thought. I think that we will simply be "fishing" for something. Maybe we will be reaching into a tank (full of water?!?!? :eek: ) or just grabbing things, who knows. That's just my two cents.

billbo911 09-12-2008 16:49

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Originally Posted by xnaut (Post 781553)
I think that is irelevant... I'm sticking to my belief in that the name moonfish is such a generic fish name ( cause it ends in fish ) that they were trying to emphasize the moon part...

Many of us have posted ideas and thoughts here based on the name "Moonfish". I see nothing wrong with that, but I need to point out, according to Wikipedia:
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Opah (also known colloquially as moonfish, sunfish, kingfish, redfin ocean pan, and Jerusalem haddock)
So, maybe "Moon" is not the only thing we should consider.

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Originally Posted by xnaut (Post 781553)
And that the field will have not the same old boring flat surface ( like moon)

I have made this point elsewhere, but I think it has bearing on this conversation. If you will recall the 2008 game (I know, it is still 2008), the GDC did a fantastic job developing a game where every level of team could contribute. Teams that could barely do more than assemble the KOP chassis could at least drive and earn points. Teams that were more skilled/experienced could score by driving, hurdling, placing the Track Ball or knocking it down. Some teams were even able to rock the house with autonomous routines that were amazing!

So, how does that apply here?
I see no reason that the GDC would move away from that formula for game design and would make it more difficult for the least capable teams to at least contribute. I just don't see having a moon like playing surface supporting that goal. Although, without knowing the game nor the content of the KOP, what I just said is really only a SWAG.

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Originally Posted by xnaut (Post 781553)
...but will have higher scoring game pieces in harder to maneuver places

I could not agree more!!!

ikhana870 09-12-2008 16:53

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Originally Posted by fimmel (Post 779445)
the odd thing is that the FIRST picture was created: dec 3 08 19:56

the one on the website was created: dec 4 08 at 16:29

how was FIRST's created before?

haha thats true...time zones accounted for?
and if so...thats weird

njamietech 09-12-2008 16:55

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Originally Posted by ikhana870 (Post 781573)
haha thats true...time zones accounted for?
and if so...thats weird

i think we agreed that those times were different because of his computer. (maybe time zones, i cant remember)

Nin_estarSaerah 09-12-2008 17:38

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The main reason that we are focusing so much on "moonfish" is because that image is the first image that you get when you google "moonfish."Other names for an opah, when put into an image search can come up with very different looking fish than the one we are dealing with. We aren't actually sure that "moonfish" or "opah" are the names we should focus on, but they seem like the strongest leads to follow.

MiniNerd24 09-12-2008 17:39

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Originally Posted by jerry w (Post 781520)
((((you are not alone))))


Finally a clue to the reason for the fish. Here is the connection. In the movie "finding Nemo" there are fish that group together to form various shapes. one of these shapes is similar to the 2009 game piece.

Logically, the GDC likes to rattle the cages of those who think "water game....." So they look for the name of the fish that created the shapes. Moon fish! However, they supply a picture as a hint and not the name of the fish.

Now, if someone here has a DVD of finding nemo, could you please look at and list all the shapes that this fish school formed in the movie. one of the items in the list will be the game piece for the 2009 game.

Please remember, that when the shape is found, that it is mine, MINE, mine, mine, MINE.

Although i don't totally believe this is it i do think you could have an idea for more thoughts here. Also they do other things in the shape shifting fish game ont the DVD a hook is one of the shapes and so is a sun (a connection to sunfish perhaps?) so there are links here.

ATannahill 09-12-2008 18:21

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Originally Posted by Mechkrunch (Post 781530)
The list of shapes the moonfish make are:
Swordfish
Lobster
Octopus
Ship
Clownfish
Sydney Opera House
East Austraian Current(Waves)
Arrow
Trench

Im not sure how any of those relate to a FRC game piece, but you never know with the GDC.

What says we cant go to the archery field?

p.s. I also have read the whole thread

njamietech 09-12-2008 18:29

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for those of you wanting the nemo clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfsBRF4gKOU

have fun!

Boydean 09-12-2008 18:50

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Ohhh Chiefdelphi how I love you and your 700 posts about a picture of a fish.

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 19:07

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Originally Posted by lenny8 (Post 781433)
im probly the only person left that has read this entire tread and still reads it.:rolleyes:

no dont worry i do the same thing...i just cant get myself to stop...the days keep getting longer waiting for kick-off

njamietech 09-12-2008 19:10

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hey I sit here pressing f5 every few seconds (:rolleyes: :D ).

when im not pressing f5 im playing chuzzle on popcap.com.

lol

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 19:19

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Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 781622)
hey I sit here pressing f5 every few seconds (:rolleyes: :D ).

when im not pressing f5 im playing chuzzle on popcap.com.

lol

i dont use the function keys...i use the refresh button every min...CD is my crack lol

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 19:35

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:D wow... Okay so I have been obsessing over this so I figured I'd post what I found out, I know most of it is probally in other posts but I figured I would make it easy to get to in one big post. If anyone sees anything I didn’t please let me know!!! I don’t know everything or even close to it!!! THANKS
Well as we all know it’s called an OPAH fish:rolleyes: , its scientific name is lampris guttatus, and there are only two living species in the genus lampris (which in Greek means brilliant or clear). FIRST is calling it by its nickname moonfish, we know this because the picture as of the time it was posted was only found on Google images as MOONFISH and not an opah fish. They also have no edited the picture in any way. The picture is found on may other websites in the exact form. The words in the background are the words from another page of other fish, and the picture is a shark. The small water stain at the top of the page was also not put thier by FIRST.
There are also two other fish with the nickname Moonfish, the American Spade Fish and the Diamond Fish, spades and diamonds. Cards anyone? Maybe we need to fool other teams like a poker face or something.
A strange fact about the fish I found was that it is found in the southern oceans and won’t cross the 34th parallel North. So I am thinking maybe we cannot cross a certain line and maybe we have to place something over the line ect. The fish is also a very rare fish and if caught is very prize worthy, maybe we have to capture an item that will gain us a lot of points or have to keep an item from other teams :p (like keep away).
The median & fins of the fish are bright vermillion, which is an orangish red pigment. Vermillion(HgS) is naturally produced by reacting mercury with sulfur. Vermillion- RBG (227, 66, 52) HSV (5%, 77%, 89%) Hex Triplet #E34234. It is harmful when in contact with skin, and is toxic if swallowed or inhaled, this might mean that we have to keep away from something and we lose points if we touch it ect. It's molar mass is 232.66 g mol -1, its density is 8.10g cm-3, its melting point is 583.5C and its boiling point is unknown. If any of those numbers mean anything to anyone please let me know.
The fish is also deeply keeled, and compressed. The body is slightly blue grading to rose on the belly, with white spots on the flanks. I cannot make a connection between the coloring and a game other then maybe there will be different colored game pieces.
Another important fact about it is that it travels alone. so maybe we will be play every robot for itself? It also has 4 different colored skin so maybe its 4 on 4. Or again maybe it’s every man for himself and 1V1V1V1, with four teams on the field at a time. This would be very hard though considering how the fields were set up last year. They would have to make a lot of changes to the design...
The flesh of the fish is very stringy and hard to fillet. Maybe the game piece will be hard to hold or it'll be hard to get off the robot, like a magnet?... any ideas with that fact please let me know! Another thing about the game piece is that the fish is very large flat and kinda ugly.. lol shape of the game piece? Like a football shape?
:yikes: Another thing is the symbolic meaning of the fish or water maybe not the fish itself. Water has a symbolic meaning of depth of knowledge, it contains all the mysteries of the deep. We never know what’s at the bottom of the ocean. Maybe there will be a black out session where we rely totally on sensors?, and cannot see?... Fish on the other hand has a lot of meanings. It means fertility eternity creativity femininity good luck happiness knowledge and transformation. Transformation is the only one I could make a connection with. Maybe there are moving objects on the field we need to avoid. That in my option would be awesome.. But with the new control system I am not sure if they would do that. They could also make this the autonomous mode where the robot has to move around the track and detect the moving parts and go around them?..
Thats all that I can really think of right now... If anything else comes up please let me know!!! :P

logicalyrandom 09-12-2008 19:36

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Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 781571)
Many of us have posted ideas and thoughts here based on the name "Moonfish". I see nothing wrong with that, but I need to point out, according to Wikipedia:

So, maybe "Moon" is not the only thing we should consider.


I have made this point elsewhere, but I think it has bearing on this conversation. If you will recall the 2008 game (I know, it is still 2008), the GDC did a fantastic job developing a game where every level of team could contribute. Teams that could barely do more than assemble the KOP chassis could at least drive and earn points. Teams that were more skilled/experienced could score by driving, hurdling, placing the Track Ball or knocking it down. Some teams were even able to rock the house with autonomous routines that were amazing!

So, how does that apply here?
I see no reason that the GDC would move away from that formula for game design and would make it more difficult for the least capable teams to at least contribute. I just don't see having a moon like playing surface supporting that goal. Although, without knowing the game nor the content of the KOP, what I just said is really only a SWAG.

I agree with you on the count of FIRST keeping the game competitive for all levels of teams, but I still think it's possible for them to allow for some sort of uneven surface. One way would be to have the game pieces be smaller blocks, traffic cones, that type of thing, and distribute them randomly over the playing field at the start of each match. Or, using the same idea, maybe one alliances pieces will be on the other side of the field, requiring robots to cross their opponets pieces at the start of the match.

Another way of having an uneven surface would be a field with bunch of ramps. Ramps allow for changes in elevation/rougher driving, add a level of strategy to the match, and are easy enough for first year teams to navigate. My final idea would be to have, say a bunch of traffic cones on the field, or similar object that wouldn't damage a robot that chose to ignore them, but would slow it down.

/2cents.

njamietech 09-12-2008 19:39

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Originally Posted by nevereverregret
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OMGOSH!!!!!

we have a genius in our midst. lol

alot of what you say makes sense and sounds fun.

maybe she has the right idea

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 20:01

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Does anyone besides me think that this thread has lost basically any chance for new and innovative ideas?...i think that this hint has been squeezed dry, then again i could be wrong and we probably overlooked something "obvious"

logicalyrandom 09-12-2008 20:04

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yes, we've gone over every possible idea multiple times. No, we're not going to stop. Welcome to FIRST. :D

njamietech 09-12-2008 20:08

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Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 781664)
Does anyone besides me think that this thread has lost basically any chance for new and innovative ideas?...i think that this hint has been squeezed dry, then again i could be wrong and we probably overlooked something "obvious"

Ditto

im starting to feel that way too.

C'mon FIRST! give us the next hint!

MiniNerd24 09-12-2008 20:11

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Okay rule numbre one: You mmust find any and all bizzare ideas and plottings for the first game hint until the second comes out and debunks all of our ideas.
so for the record, we should recap all of this soon shouldn't we?

Astarties 09-12-2008 20:17

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I bet this hint is only very loosely connected with the game and the officials at FIRST are laughing at us right now.

MiniNerd24 09-12-2008 20:19

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I'm surprised Mr. Lavery hasn't posted lately to laugh or talk about his car that's on the moon. (maybe some moon missions? We seemed to be geared towards aerospace stuff lately)

njamietech 09-12-2008 20:20

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Originally Posted by Astarties (Post 781690)
I bet this hint is only very loosely connected with the game and the officials at FIRST are laughing at us right now.

That seems to be their favorite passtime.


"quick! lets go play 'stupefy the students'!" <-- (GDC)

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 20:22

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Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 781643)
OMGOSH!!!!!

we have a genius in our midst. lol

alot of what you say makes sense and sounds fun.

maybe she has the right idea

lol Thanks... I really love stuff like this so I'll probally obsess over it till we get the next clue:P . What are your ideas on the Fish?

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 20:24

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Originally Posted by Astarties (Post 781690)
I bet this hint is only very loosely connected with the game and the officials at FIRST are laughing at us right now.


I agree with you, but its so much fun to just through around every possible connection we can make:P ... Its like a HUGE puzzle we will pretty much NEVER know the awnser to!!!! :yikes:

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 20:29

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Originally Posted by logicalyrandom (Post 781666)
yes, we've gone over every possible idea multiple times. No, we're not going to stop. Welcome to FIRST. :D

Haha... I diagree with the fact that we have gone through every possible idea because there is always some weird out there connection NO ONE will EVER think of lol, but i absolutley agree that we will not stop!!! you have to love first!!!!:P

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 20:34

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...CD is my myspace...and yes i cant stop looking and refreshing the page (while im studying for 3 finals)...yep robotics is back:)

jerry w 09-12-2008 20:43

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Originally Posted by nevereverregret (Post 781638)
....
Thats all that I can really think of right now... If anything else comes up please let me know!!! :P

how could anything else possibly come up:ahh: :ahh:
my eyes hurt:eek:
:)

ATannahill 09-12-2008 20:44

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Originally Posted by jerry w (Post 781715)
how could anything else possibly come up:ahh: :ahh:
my eyes hurt:eek:
:)

Says the person that came up with the pastrami gut lust.

DMetalKong 09-12-2008 20:46

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Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 781629)
i dont use the function keys...i use the refresh button every min...CD is my crack lol

I use Tab Mix Plus to auto-reload my tab. :)

njamietech 09-12-2008 20:47

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Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 781720)
Says the person that came up with the pastrami gut lust.

ROFL :D :D :D

WOOOOOO 100th post

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 20:48

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Originally Posted by jerry w (Post 781715)
how could anything else possibly come up:ahh: :ahh:
my eyes hurt:eek:
:)

O theres always something... This outta this world connection thats so far from the actual clue its insance but absolutely awsome at the same time!!! :P

jerry w 09-12-2008 20:53

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Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 781723)
ROFL :D :D :D

WOOOOOO 100th post

come on
i didnt even post some of the really good anagrams
but my favorite is still
Lampris regius ===
Realism Grip Us
:yikes:

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 20:54

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Originally Posted by jerry w (Post 781727)
come on
i didnt even post some of the really good anagrams
but my favorite is still
Lampris regius ===
Realism Grip Us
:yikes:

lol I have to admit some of those anagrams are pretty neat:yikes: ... maybe they do actully mean something!

Bohalin 09-12-2008 20:54

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the letters in the background mean nothing you can search moonfish on google images and guess what picture comes up... yup, the same one of the hint, but wait whats this, oh its another website.... so don't think so deeply in the image its self.... more or less around why did they pick this fish? I think the name Moonfish might have something to do with it... just a guess

njamietech 09-12-2008 20:55

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Originally Posted by jerry w (Post 781727)
come on
i didnt even post some of the really good anagrams
but my favorite is still
Lampris regius ===
Realism Grip Us
:yikes:

sorry---i didn't mean to seem rude.









EDIT: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! 50TH PAGE

Jacob Paikoff 09-12-2008 20:55

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Originally Posted by jerry w (Post 781727)
come on
i didnt even post some of the really good anagrams

You didn't post some of the really good ones cause you couldn't stop laughing at my translation of them.:D

jax1488 09-12-2008 20:57

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maybe the hint means that it has nothing to do with the fish but the moon,

such as the surface area, meaning the ground wont be even.. if so.. *whips out the treads again*

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 20:58

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Originally Posted by Bohalin (Post 781730)
the letters in the background mean nothing you can search moonfish on google images and guess what picture comes up... yup, the same one of the hint, but wait whats this, oh its another website.... so don't think so deeply in the image its self.... more or less around why did they pick this fish? I think the name Moonfish might have something to do with it... just a guess

yeah the fact that its a moonfish and the first piicture u get when u search google images is it is cool, the actual name has alot to do with alot of the guesses going around, like the texture of the feild, and also 2 other fish have the same nickname, the american spadefish and the poker fish, maybe we have to fool other teams like in poker?

jerry w 09-12-2008 20:59

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Originally Posted by nevereverregret (Post 781729)
lol I have to admit some of those anagrams are pretty neat:yikes: ... maybe they do actully mean something!

you should try digging through the anagrams
you might like it.
i was lucky last year and had the "drive straight turn left" before kickoff but did not know what it meant.
:(

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 21:02

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Originally Posted by jerry w (Post 781738)
you should try digging through the anagrams
you might like it.
i was lucky last year and had the "drive straight turn left" before kickoff but did not know what it meant.
:(

no way...the "vet hurdling tetrads" (something like that) was an anagram for drive straight turn left...it only took me a year to learn the meaning of that one:rolleyes: :p :D

Edit: Did you figure the anagram using some software or with pencil and paper

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 21:03

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Originally Posted by jerry w (Post 781738)
you should try digging through the anagrams
you might like it.
i was lucky last year and had the "drive straight turn left" before kickoff but did not know what it meant.
:(

OMGOSH did you really?:ahh: BRILLIANT!!! Thats awsome!!!:eek: I would never think of something like that! Thats really cool, Maybe I'll mess around with it a bit, it seems really neat. :yikes:

Bohalin 09-12-2008 21:06

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I think the game is going to like rock, paper, scissors, shoot! just a guess :eek:

njamietech 09-12-2008 21:09

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Originally Posted by Bohalin (Post 781748)
I think the game is going to like rock, paper, scissors, shoot! just a guess :eek:

maybe......

2007 and 2005 were tic tac toe...


maybe its Rock paper scissors turn?

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 21:09

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Originally Posted by Bohalin (Post 781748)
I think the game is going to like rock, paper, scissors, shoot! just a guess :eek:

a few people have said that, how do u relate it?

njamietech 09-12-2008 21:10

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Originally Posted by nevereverregret (Post 781751)
a few people have said that, how do u relate it?

someone had mentioned it had something to do with moon, fish, ocean. a game like rock paper scissors

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 21:11

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Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 781753)
someone had mentioned it had something to do with moon, fish, ocean. a game like rock paper scissors

hhhhmmmm:] .... thats really intrusting... that does makes sence... it would be cool too!! :yikes:

bobwrit 09-12-2008 21:12

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I feel like I'm watching a dog chasing it's tail, and doesn't stop for 1/2 a week.

ATannahill 09-12-2008 21:14

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Who says we are anagraming the right thing? Maybe we should try to anagram thirty-four? what else can we try out?

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 21:19

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Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 781759)
Who says we are anagraming the right thing? Maybe we should try to anagram thirty-four? what else can we try out?

Maybe try vermillion which is also spelled vermilion(the orangish red pigment in the fins) or something simple like moon fish or even the other name for it... not sure how to say it out loud... jerusalem haddock... :confused:

Nin_estarSaerah 09-12-2008 21:20

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A lot of people have discussed the rock paper scissors game, but honestly, how would you play that with a robot? how would it be competitive? how would it even be a game? I'd love to hear some ideas on this.

MiniNerd24 09-12-2008 21:24

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Has anyone tried anagramning FISH?

Optimogdor 09-12-2008 21:25

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If you want an original game I gave you one! Alright there probably won't really be an actual inmate. But I still think that it is prison oriented. I mean come on! Shank?! Moon Fish?! (a prison term!?)

basically

shank+moonfish= robotics prison game

njamietech 09-12-2008 21:25

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Originally Posted by MiniNerd24 (Post 781768)
Has anyone tried anagramning FISH?

ok i understand the difference....but has anyone tried acronyms?

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 21:31

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Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 781770)
ok i understand the difference....but has anyone tried acronyms?

honestly acronyms are difficult to make when you have the right words but finding acronyms for everything (moonfish, opah, regularis thingy, etc) would be near impossible:ahh:

MiniNerd24 09-12-2008 21:32

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Hey is there a pattern here between hints? Like last year. Our first hint was a picture/physical object. Then our second clue was a "riddle"/intangible clue.
perhaps this is our physical clue... perhaps FIRST is sending all of it's teams a supply of fish this year?:rolleyes:

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 21:35

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Originally Posted by MiniNerd24 (Post 781777)
Hey is there a pattern here between hints? Like last year. Our first hint was a picture/physical object. Then our second clue was a "riddle"/intangible clue.
perhaps this is our physical clue... perhaps FIRST is sending all of it's teams a supply of fish this year?:rolleyes:

yeah well all have BBQ's while building robots:rolleyes: (it has to be BBQ im from east texas)

nevereverregret 09-12-2008 21:36

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Originally Posted by MiniNerd24 (Post 781777)
Hey is there a pattern here between hints? Like last year. Our first hint was a picture/physical object. Then our second clue was a "riddle"/intangible clue.
perhaps this is our physical clue... perhaps FIRST is sending all of it's teams a supply of fish this year?:rolleyes:

lol i cant wait for the next hint

MikeMascaro 09-12-2008 21:40

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I hope the next hint doesn't stir up so many aquatic theories.

MiniNerd24 09-12-2008 21:42

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to satisfy you people who think it's a water game... We all need to build robotic fish for an underwater search and rescue.

njamietech 09-12-2008 21:44

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Originally Posted by MikeMascaro (Post 781785)
I hope the next hint doesn't stir up so many aquatic theories.

dang

now that you've said it----it will :rolleyes:

*evil laugh* <-- (gdc)

jerry w 09-12-2008 21:50

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Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 781742)
no way...the "vet hurdling tetrads" (something like that) was an anagram for drive straight turn left...it only took me a year to learn the meaning of that one:rolleyes: :p :D

Edit: Did you figure the anagram using some software or with pencil and paper

online at
http://wordsmith.org/anagram

JaneYoung 09-12-2008 21:50

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Originally Posted by MikeMascaro (Post 781785)
I hope the next hint doesn't stir up so many aquatic theories.

One of thoughts I've had beginning with the revelation of the hint through the last post of this thread has been the mystery of the ocean. It is one of our resources, globally, that still holds much mystery/promise in terms of exploration and advancement in science and technology. The hint has generated an interest in this fish and some of its myth, tradition, and history. I like that. It is a hint but it has a lot of layers and it has been able to hold our interest. There has been the standard 'water game' commentary but there have also been other discussions and areas of interest presented that have been intriguing. I've also enjoyed some of the posts made by new members to CD. They have been made with care and with thought. It's great to see that and to have the opportunity to learn from those carefully crafted posts.

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 21:52

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Originally Posted by MikeMascaro (Post 781785)
I hope the next hint doesn't stir up so many aquatic theories.

this will be the next hint
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9oseiCTdk

MiniNerd24 09-12-2008 21:53

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Whoa i have the video on my computer!

njamietech 09-12-2008 21:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 781797)

and dave will hint to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 22:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 781802)
and dave will hint to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs

that was amazing...i have to admit...totally owns my robot fish

njamietech 09-12-2008 22:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 781810)
that was amazing...i have to admit...totally owns my robot fish

lol

that was my favorite part of the movie

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 22:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 781812)
lol

that was my favorite part of the movie

havent watched it... but reverting to robotics...where is cryptonite from?

njamietech 09-12-2008 22:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 781813)
havent watched it... but reverting to robotics...where cryptonite from?

katy texas--west houston

RoboGeek99 09-12-2008 22:36

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the last posts pretty much tell the story about how many new and relevant ideas toward the clue there really are:rolleyes:

njamietech 09-12-2008 22:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboGeek99 (Post 781817)
the last posts pretty much tell the story about how many new and relevant ideas toward the clue there really are:rolleyes:

lol

agreed:D

bobwrit 09-12-2008 22:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 781819)
lol

agreed:D

Twice.

lbl1731 09-12-2008 22:54

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I think to get any meaning out of this hint, you have to think about what the GDC would think. How would they come up with this picture? The most obvious choice is that they googled moonfish. It's the first picture that comes up. Why would they pick the name moonfish? I think the game has something to do with the name of the fish. If it had something to do with the different aspects of the actual fish such as the 34th parallel or the spots or the location of the fish, how would the GDC find the moonfish? Unless they are super smart and just know everything about the moonfish. I think it's far more likely that the game has something to do with the moon and Mr. Lavery or whoever took moon and slapped fish on it (just for jokes), did a search and with great luck found a really strange picture of a really strange fish that happened to have the name moonfish. I don't know. Something to think about.

You have to look at it in a process sort of view.

Akash Rastogi 09-12-2008 23:04

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No offense to any of the many recent poster but PLEASE people, GO BACK AND READ AT LEAST SOME of the other pages. Please please please. It may not be to you, but its annoying to see the redundancy in all of these posts of people who do not go back to read at least some of the pages and ideas.

I ask politely that people please go back to read the other posts and stop to think before they post another "what if" and "I think" topic up here. I know its just a game hint but there is a point when something like redundancy gets very annoying and it is a pet peeve of mine.

Again, this is not to point out certain people or to be rude.

njamietech 09-12-2008 23:43

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i think this thread is pretty much dead.

pardon the rhyme

Dan2081 10-12-2008 00:37

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It's not dead at all! Im keeping it alive by myself, who's with me?

R.C. 10-12-2008 01:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nevereverregret (Post 781751)
a few people have said that, how do u relate it?

This has already been answered, please search through CD. Thank you and I am not trying to be rude, just search a tad and then post please.

johnr 10-12-2008 09:48

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Location-- GDC underground secret war room
"Alright people,we got the game. Now how do we drive them into a feeding frenzy?"
"Well,part of the game is to stick your apponent with that thing."
"Good,good. Lets work with that."
"Hmmm,put on the them,stick on them, give to them."
"Give to them? You know, there is this fish your suppose to give away if you catch it. I think it's called moonfish."
"Great. Find ,post and let's call it a night."

Game---- Hot Potato

Mr_I 10-12-2008 13:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnr (Post 781910)
Location-- GDC underground secret war room

...

Game---- Hot Potato

Fish ... Hot Potato ... Fish & Chips? ;)

Zach Purser 10-12-2008 14:58

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780 posts and no one has mentioned that moon-fish could represent the Dreamworks logo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks

Dreamworks first full-length feature was Antz. Ants work together. Consider our control system this year.

Beta Version 10-12-2008 15:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnr (Post 781910)
Location-- GDC underground secret war room
"Alright people,we got the game. Now how do we drive them into a feeding frenzy?"
"Well,part of the game is to stick your apponent with that thing."
"Good,good. Lets work with that."
"Hmmm,put on the them,stick on them, give to them."
"Give to them? You know, there is this fish your suppose to give away if you catch it. I think it's called moonfish."
"Great. Find ,post and let's call it a night."

Game---- Hot Potato

You Win the thread

roboraven15 10-12-2008 17:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach Purser (Post 781988)
780 posts and no one has mentioned that moon-fish could represent the Dreamworks logo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks

Dreamworks first full-length feature was Antz. Ants work together. Consider our control system this year.

thats not a bad idea really... but doesn't tell us anything definite about game just working together...

bobwrit 10-12-2008 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach Purser (Post 781988)
780 posts and no one has mentioned that moon-fish could represent the Dreamworks logo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks

Dreamworks first full-length feature was Antz. Ants work together. Consider our control system this year.

Nice Idea. The intoduction of the new control system at the 2008 championships pointed out robots working together.

Zach Purser 10-12-2008 17:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by roboraven15 (Post 782035)
thats not a bad idea really... but doesn't tell us anything definite about game just working together...

The clues never really tell you anything useful. The past couple years it was the start/finish line for the Boston marathon and a "Just Shoot Me" reference.

Elgin Clock 10-12-2008 17:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach Purser (Post 782039)
The clues never really tell you anything useful. The past couple years it was the start/finish line for the Boston marathon and a "Just Shoot Me" reference.

Was that sarcasm??

I believe a start/finish line indicated a race type game & the Just Shoot Me reference indicated a shooting game.
Those are VERY relevant & were key elements of the game.

Fish... I'm not so sure about.

roboraven15 10-12-2008 17:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach Purser (Post 782039)
The clues never really tell you anything useful. The past couple years it was the start/finish line for the Boston marathon and a "Just Shoot Me" reference.

start amd finish of boston marathon definatly hints a race, so ya that hint makes more sense.

but ya... hindsight better than foresight watch this clue be obvious when we actually get game.

Zach Purser 10-12-2008 17:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 782042)
Was that sarcasm??

I believe a start/finish line indicated a race type game & the Just Shoot Me reference indicated a shooting game.
Those are VERY relevant & were key elements of the game.

Fish... I'm not so sure about.

I guess useful is a relative term. Robots communicating with one another may be an essential element of the game, but I can hardly start building a robot based on that little piece of information.

TeknicllyInsane 10-12-2008 17:31

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Anyone remember that old saying, the big fish eats the little fish? This might be a bit abstract, but then again, what isn't on these game hint threads?
For a while there was a trend of platforms or special bonus areas that you wanted to end up in . . . maybe this year, you get bonus points for caging your alliance-mate's robot? Or maybe even some other use of cages?
IDK where that came from, but there's my input for the day. :cool:

nevereverregret 10-12-2008 17:41

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I am putting together all of my information and theroys on the FISH and other meaning and connections. I'll probally be finshed later tonight... Its already a page long... :P ... I know I'm obssesed but I absoluelty love this stuff, I am determined to figure it out, Just so I can say i did:yikes:...

RoboGeek99 10-12-2008 18:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nevereverregret (Post 782055)
I am putting together all of my information and theroys on the FISH and other meaning and connections. I'll probally be finshed later tonight... Its already a page long... :P ... I know I'm obssesed but I absoluelty love this stuff, I am determined to figure it out, Just so I can say i did:yikes:...

i think im gona give up on this thread...yeah right im adicted to the thread but im fresh out of ideas so i think ill just read and coment but my brain is mush by the end of this thread

ebarker 10-12-2008 18:07

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Robotic Sushi Maker !!! Oooohh yeaaa !!!

nevereverregret 10-12-2008 18:19

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:D wow... Okay so I have been obsessing over this so I figured I'd post what I found out. If anyone sees anything I didn’t please let me know!!! I don’t know everything or even close to it!!! Also I know I have posted this before but I edited it and added a lot of information and I figured I’d make it easier and put it all in one place. THANKS!!!
Well as we all know it’s called an OPAH fish :rolleyes:, its scientific name is lampris guttatus, and there are only two living species in the genus lampris (which in Greek means brilliant or clear). FIRST is calling it by its nickname moonfish, we know this because the picture as of the time it was posted was only found on Google images as MOONFISH and not an opah fish. There are also two other fish with the nickname Moonfish, the American Spade Fish and the Diamond Fish, spades and diamonds. Cards anyone? Maybe we need to fool other teams like a poker face or something.
A strange fact about the fish I found was that it is found in the southern oceans and won’t cross the 34th parallel North. So I am thinking maybe we cannot cross a certain line and maybe we have to place something over the line ect. The fish is also a very rare fish to be caught in groups. It travels alone but sometimes with groups of tuna. They are regularly caught by deep line fishermen near Hawaii. Maybe we will be one on one or maybe there are special pieces we have to obtain and keep from our opponents for points since the fish only come alone. (like keep away). Tying together the two Ideas as a game, maybe there is a line we cannot cross but we must receive something past the line that is worth a lot of points. Maybe something moving or hung up that we need to use a claw to reach.
The median & fins of the fish are bright vermillion, which is an orange-is red pigment. Vermillion (HgS) is naturally produced by reacting mercury with sulfur. Vermillion- RBG (227, 66, 52) HSV (5%, 77%, 89%) Hex Triplet #E34234. I was thinking maybe we could take those numbers and change them into there letters (the ones on phones). It would be E 3(def) 4(ghi) 2(abc) 3(def) and 4(ghi), if anyone sees a patter or words within those letters please let me know. It could possibly be in a different language. It is harmful when in contact with skin, and is toxic if swallowed or inhaled, this might mean that we have to keep away from something and we lose points if we touch it ect. Its molar mass is 232.66 g mol -1, its density is 8.10g cm-3, its melting point is 583.5C and its boiling point is unknown. If any of those numbers mean anything to anyone please let me know.
The fish is also deeply keeled, and compressed. The body is slightly blue grading to rose on the belly, with white spots on the flanks. I cannot make a connection between the coloring and a game other then maybe there will be different colored game pieces. It also has 4 different colored skins, one along its backbone that is orangish flesh, one type on the belly that is pink, on e on the fish’s cheeks that is dark red, and another type that is bright ruby red or liver colored on the breastplate. . This could mean that maybe its 4 on 4. Or again maybe it’s every man for himself and 1V1V1V1, with four teams on the field at a time. This would be very hard though considering how the fields were set up last year. They would have to make a lot of changes to the design... :cool:
The flesh of the fish is very stringy and hard to fillet. Maybe the game piece will be hard to hold or it'll be hard to get off the robot, like a magnet?... any ideas with that fact please let me know! Another thing about the game piece is that the fish is very large flat and kind of ugly.. lol shape of the game piece? Like a football shape?
:yikes: Another thing is the symbolic meaning of the fish or water maybe not the fish itself. Water has a symbolic meaning of depth of knowledge, it contains all the mysteries of the deep. We never know what’s at the bottom of the ocean. Maybe there will be a black out session where we rely totally on sensors?, and cannot see?... Fish on the other hand has a lot of meanings. It means fertility eternity creativity femininity good luck happiness knowledge and transformation. Transformation is the only one I could make a connection with. Maybe there are moving objects on the field we need to avoid. That in my option would be awesome.. But with the new control system I am not sure if they would do that. They could also make this the autonomous mode where the robot has to move around the track and detect the moving parts and go around them?..
I also do not believe, although they are absolutely awesome and creative, that Lampris Guttatus used in an anagram will give us a hint to the game. I really wish they would but there are about 66669 of them. I am not sure if they would make us really figure that one out… But who knows? I am going to keep looking into that because I love them.
Also dream works logo… It’s a MOON with a guy FISHing… I know your probably thinking now im crazy, but someone brought this up. Their first full feature length film was antz. Guess what Antz do… they work together. So I am back to thinking that it’s going to be 4V4 because of the skin color.
The OPAH fish also makes a vertical migration along the seamounts near Hawaii in search of food. Maybe we will have to make a vertical movement to capture something. Like going up a ramp and getting something then going back down, or something of that sort. The fish also swims in a labriform. Labriform swimming is when the fish uses its small fin or flipper to move it’s self in a rowing motion. Maybe this year we have to move our robot in different angles or use different type o transportation, like tracks. Or that weird boot thing on the robot in the videos. J
The climate and areas they live in are pretty normal. They submerge approximately 100-400 meters deep and are found generally near Hawaii. There might be a difference in set up, like we are contained to a pacific area but need to get something or put something somewhere we cannot move to. it’s a far connection but hey it works right?
That’s all I can really think o right now… There must be something more but as of right now I have no idea. If anyone finds anything else please let me know! I know I’m missing a lot!!! Also please respond with what you think is right about my predictions and what’s wrong, sometimes when other people look through they see what others haven’t… THANKS!!!
PS. IF ANYTHING ELSE COMES UP PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!:ahh:

xnaut 10-12-2008 18:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 781571)
So, how does that apply here?
I see no reason that the GDC would move away from that formula for game design and would make it more difficult for the least capable teams to at least contribute. I just don't see having a moon like playing surface supporting that goal. Although, without knowing the game nor the content of the KOP, what I just said is really only a SWAG.

i think that this does apply here, if you think deeper into what i said about the game pieces being in harder to reach places worth more points..... the newer teams could still get the less scoring points that maybe don't have any difficult terrain to speak of.... this would imply that, adding on to the game hint of the fish, we are going and getting somthing and bringing it back (like fishing). teams that are skilled in the art of chassis building (and driving) could get the harder to reach areas.
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On another note -- THE WATER GAME AIN'T HAPNIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quoting from someone else that i'm to lazy to look up - it would be way to hard for first to have a water based game for setting up and taking down (also imagine the leaks.....)--- not that it isnt a cool idea but id rather have a non-water based game and not have to worry about waterproofing a >2000$ C-Rio and worrying about frying the entire board....

synth3tk 10-12-2008 18:38

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I'll wait for the Cliff Notes on that post, Sammy...

billbo911 10-12-2008 18:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xnaut (Post 782081)
i think that this does apply here, if you think deeper into what i said about the game pieces being in harder to reach places worth more points..... the newer teams could still get the less scoring points that maybe don't have any difficult terrain to speak of.... this would imply that, adding on to the game hint of the fish, we are going and getting somthing and bringing it back (like fishing). teams that are skilled in the art of chassis building (and driving) could get the harder to reach areas.
....

Sounds like we are playing from the same sheet, seeing eye to eye, fishing in the same pond... :ahh:,.... on this one. ;)

MiniNerd24 10-12-2008 19:01

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Fish... Fish... All i can think of is Dr. Seuss:

One Fish
Two Fish
Red Fish Blue Fish
Anyone know thw whole story? There might be a clue in there..
perhaps I'm just fishing for an answer. I noticed we all seem to be floundering around with the idea... Holy Mackeral this is a hard clue to guess!:D

ATannahill 10-12-2008 19:03

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I like the concept of a magnet.

Also fish = feminity?

Also does anyone know the scale of the pull down ramp in FTC this year? Is it 34 degrees?

nevereverregret 10-12-2008 19:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth3tk (Post 782083)
I'll wait for the Cliff Notes on that post, Sammy...

lol its not that long, I have more info but thats some of the points i like, I really think its gonna be censors! cant wait to see though!

xnaut 10-12-2008 19:23

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(First member opens the forums)
-- Holy %$#@
-- i guess its time to give them another clue....
-- wow, if i had thees kids thought prosesses life would be much more interesting...
-- (puts in a new game hint that compleatly spunks all of our creative ideas)
-- (evil laugh)
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(arbitrary kid on forums press F5 (or whatever other way you refresh)
-- wow... the last week of my life reading and studying wasted...
-- (/faint)
-- ( other kids begin to sign on )
-- (as they start to think about the hint ... they get depressed that all there ideas were wrong... then procede to punch out there moniter... only later forgetting that, that was a real dumb idea...
-- (kids with self control sign on)
-- (they then proceed to make compleatly new ideas on what the game hint is supposed to mean
-- (First member opens forums and laughs)


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