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LMAO... I wouldnt be surprised if that is all true lmao

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Ok, here's a new angle:

The pattern of dots on the moonfish reminds me of dots on dice (Potential game piece).

I was looking at Dave's signatures and noticed his comments went up to 6, correlating with the number of sides on dice, and seemed to favor 4, 5 and 6. This would be a nice use of the camera for pattern and/or dot recognition. And keeping with the "fishing" concept, lets play "ship captain and crew", a dice game that requires you to get a 6, 5 and 4 in that order. Maybe we could use the camera to figure out how to turn the dice to the right orientation and then place them on a "ship" which we could then fill with "fish" (Or something along those lines).

Another dice game that 4, 5 and 6 are important in is "Cee-lo". (Derived from the Chinese game "strung flowers") The moonfish is a Hawaiian food and strung flowers are known as a lei (You know, those flower necklaces) which keeps with the Hawaiian theme.


- Austin

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and just when i thought the thread was out of ideas...thats a really good concept and i could see how FIRST could make that into a fun competitive game...nice job

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thats very intrusting... i never thought of thats its a totaly new angle and would be really cool

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Here's further explanation:

In the "Ship, captain and crew" game a 6 relates to the ship, a 5 relates to the captain, and a 4 refers to the crew.

I've been running over Dave's signatures looking for more ways to relate it to the "ship, captain and crew" game. This caught my eye:

At first it seemed as nonsensical as the others, but, looking up "fix" I discovered it is actually a term that refers to an area of a ship where cargo is stowed.

So, translated, Dave's statement could mean something like: "When you get a 6, you get your ship".

Also, with this statement:

Six could refer back to the "ship", and integrity could mean it doesn't leak.

For this:

Five could refer to the captain, who keeps his crew alive.

And:

Could refer to the crew (A four) loading up the ship.


- Austin

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My friend just came up with this one: Dreamworks! Remember the guy on the moon fishing? I don't know, but just putting it out there. (Btw, I am aware of all the other theories so I will not post them. Yes, all 17 pages)

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There was a movie around when Dave was a kid, "With six you get eggroll".

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Excellent interpretation! If you didn't know other posts have related the hint to a multitude of card games but I think this one hits the nail on the head.

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If this hasn't already been said...

the text is only a reflection of a plate that talks about the fish...

something about it's body and other such things.

If this has been said, i'm sorry for posting it again.

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The fish is quite disproportional.

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Maybe you should have searched for "Dreamworks" in the thread before posting that one. :)

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Well when I saw this comment I thought well maybe this guy has something but then no one really responded or reacted to his comment so i figured i would make and account and post. if you think of it this makes a lot of sense it could be wrong but thinking of this id say the hint means theres gonna be two fish as game pieces of some sort and that ones for the red team and ones for the blue team just like there always is a red and blue. Thats just my thoughts on what part of the game might be and i think this could be one of the most important posts here maybe someone has a idea that can expand upon that. :D

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ouch that was cold and kinda uncool...look at the brightside at least he didnt say watergame or the fish's name is an opah

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Actually, no, it wasn't nor was that the intent of the post.

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im going to say that at 800+ posts long...

search is most definitely your friend.:D

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hmmm....

i just saw the nemo version of the "moonfish" on discovery channel on a "the world is just awesome" commercial

not sure if its relevant though, but i felt like mentioning it.:D

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I didn't intend for the comment to be harsh, hence the " :) " at the end. I appreciate Keehun actually taking the time to read 17 pages of this thread, which, as you point out, is obviously more than a lot of other posters did.

But search is not only your friend, it's the GP thing to do. It only takes a minute to search several relevant terms before you post, but if you post redundant information that takes 30 seconds to read, and 120 people read it, then you've wasted an hour of the Chief Delphi community's time.

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so iron chef america...... Mario Batalli did a battle with Opah....... clearl this hint means that the chirman from iron chef america will be the one to reviel the game to us at kickoff

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-___-! please no water game, I am one of two programmers! ...though one person's opinion won't matter if they already had that planned it.... they wouldn't do that to us, would they T_T:ahh: :ahh: :ahh: :yikes:

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Although I would love to see a 4v0, 4v0 or 1v1v1v1 game this year, I don't think it is going to happen. I think we can count on a 3v3 game like in the previous few years. I was checking out the eligibility criteria for the championship and this is what I found:

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If it's a water game, half the teams, including the new ones, probably won't be able to even compete. So I doubt very much that the clue pointed that way.

The opah being a deep-water (very dark area) fish + FIRST sending us cameras leads me to guess that part of the game will have the drivers blind to what's happening in the arena.

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You forget, there is usually an easy part of the game, and a hard challenge for the veteran teams. It would be possible to have a dry portion of the field and a fish-tank portion. :)

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If this fish is a red herring, couldn't it just be a smokescreen, something to distract and divert our attention??? Isn't that also what a red herring is? We were talking about that at our team meeting the other day, and I wasn't sure if someone has said this already, but they probably have :)

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I don't think this hint is a diversion or a smoke screen. If you go back and do a search for the official hints of past years, you can see that those hints garnered a lot of scrutiny, observations, opinions, and guesses. Some were dead on.

You will also observe that hint #1 doesn't go with hint #2 (and so on) on first glance but that sometimes - folks have put things together nicely and gotten close to guessing the game, the element, and the name of the game.

Also, it is great great fun to make as many plays in one move as possible - so since this is a guessing game, I'm guessing the GDC made as many possible moves as they could with this fish/hint. That is only a guess on my part but we are dealing with smart people who seem to delight in keeping teams in FIRST and anyone else who enjoys a good puzzle/game - on our toes and guessing.

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I think I found the message. Open the file and see for yourself.

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no offense but every kinda of photoshop and looking for hidden codes has already been done...search is your friend:D :D :D

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His post is about the 4th or 5th first time poster in the 2 hint threads in the last few hours. If I didn't know better, I'd say something was fishy :p

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that was good:D ...but i agree something fishy is going on here

Dave thinks, "its working they are buying the hint and slowly going insane" *evil laugh*:p :yikes: :p

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I think by now we should wait to get clue too then try and see what theorys we already have that ties into it then come up with theroys for that one... im so tired of this fish i wrote a 2 page paper on it lmao... i know im pathetic

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Why wait? Clue 2 is out already!

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Just a thought here.

ChiefDelphi can be a very intimidating place, esp. for new members who have never posted before. To post in the game hint threads could be somewhat daunting to some, to say the least. My hat is off to the new members who are thinking and who are contributing. Yes, it it good to caution folks to read the thread and do some searches but it is also good to remember when we first started posting in ChiefDelphi and the huge learning curve involved.

If I were going to carp on anything - oh wait - harp on anything - it would be to be mindful of spelling and using complete words and sentences. It isn't productive to use text lingo when posting in ChiefDelphi. For one important reason: there are many engineers, technologists, scientists, teachers, and professionals reading what we write. This would include members of the Game Design Committee (the GDC). Now is as good a time as any to begin writing like you would be writing an award submission like the Chairman's Award or the Woodie Flowers Award. Save your text lingo and impulsive posts that are empty of content - for social networking opportunities.

.02
Jane

P.S. oh yes, and when you are scanning a thread, stop scanning - and read and comprehend/absorb the posts that have been made. That will help you decide if you want to post, how you want to post, and what you want to post. Guaranteed.

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[quote=DeepWater;779387]... It is believed to move fast and manouver nimbly..../QUOTE]

Maybe the game is a fast maneuver ability game!!!! :)

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Good advice from Jane, as always.

I'm just going to add my own story, now that I've been around on Chief Delphi a bit. When I first joined CD, I had been using it as a resource for a while. I joined so that I could post my own question asking for advice about turning robotics into a class you could get school credit for, not realizing that other people had created threads long before on the subject with plenty of useful information. Some friendly people gave me advice, and also referred me to a search for what I was looking for- it was great, I got all the information I needed, and I learned about the handy search feature. However, I probably would have gotten disheartned and abandonded CD if countless people came and whined about me learning to search and reading everything on CD before I posted. It is true, but it only needed to be said once. I hope everyone, veterans and new members alike, keeps a positive attitude on Chief Delphi, even with all the frenzy that comes with game hints and the beginning of the new season. Happy FIRSTing!

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a lot of people have been asking about when the second clue will arrive... my guess would be that they will give one more tomorrow (since the last one was a friday, and this would be a week later...) and then a 3rd clue on either the following or 2nd friday after that. I think we have probably reached the point in the thread where nothing else will be discovered without a second clue. lets hope this one will be more helpful!!

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lol? http://chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70514

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THE 2ND CLUE IS UP...ITS ON BILL'S BLOG!!!:ahh: :ahh: :ahh:
the new discussion is already on full blast over 150 posts last time i checked

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yeah but I think we pretty much cracked it, so before not reading the hint 2 thread, actually read it, since it is short, and see if there is anything else to add is my suggestion.

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So has anyone mentioned that there's also an audio tracker software for Windows, that just so happens to share the name "Moonfish"?

I know it's been said, but think they would do the whole levels thing based on reading about the moonfish itself.

Maybe the whole reason they chose the moonfish was for more than one reason. Because it could stand for many things.

Just an idea.

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wow... usually our team mentor tells us... i had been checking that regularly and apparently missed it. oh well! happy guessing!

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I took the original hint and flipped it twice on word. I then changed the brightness and contrast of the picture to make out the writing. It turned out I was able to make out three words. Deeply, forked, and body. I searched this on google and it took me here http://www.sdgfp.info/wildlife/educa...nelcatfish.pdf
The picture seen in the background of the picture is a Blue Catfish and this link takes you directly to a pdf version of the book which was used to scan the hint out of. This might not mean anything but now we know directly where the picture came from.

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http://www.sdgfp.info/wildlife/educa...nelcatfish.pdf
This is the image in the background. See my later post on pg. 57

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Good job finding the book! But can you find the opah photo on the other pages? My computer's too slow to load all those pages, but I haven't found it. Also, this is a guide to fish common in South Dakota. Does anyone know if opahs are common in South Dakota? I don't know much about fishing, but since they're usually only found by deep-water anglers and common in the tropical waters or the southern ocean, South Dakota seems to be an odd locale.

Also, this probably isn't important, but why did the GDC scan a water-stained photo out of a book instead of just pulling it off the pdf, wherever it is?

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South Dakota is nowhere near the ocean, and there aren't a whole lot of bodies of water big enough for an opah (unless you count the Missouri River, in which case it has to go around several dams coming up from St. Louis).

They won't be from South Dakota. It's too cold for them, and almost too far north. If they're mainly Pacific fish, you're really out of luck; the only way is via the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers.

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i was thinking and i remembered that they moved the LA Regional to the long beach arena. I wanted to see if this was significant so I went online the arena's website and guess what I found.
"The outside of the Arena is covered by the world’s largest mural, “Planet Ocean”, which features a fabulous array of marine life by internationally renowned environmental artist, Wyland"

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I dont know if this helps

"Opah or moonfish (Lampris regius) is one of the most colorful of the commercial fish species available in Hawaii. A silvery-grey upper body color shades to a rose red dotted with white spots toward the belly. Its fins are crimson, and its large eyes are encircled with gold. The moonfish's large, round profile may be the origin of its name. Moonfish landed in Hawaii range from 60 to over 200 pounds in round weight. A pelagic wandering species, it is often found in the company of tunas and billfish."

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Ok So... i just spent two hours reading all 50 some odd pages of this hint and i wanted to propose some ideas:
1.FTC is getting a revamp.
2.FIRST is really into this whole progression from FLL to FTC to FRC so are looking for ways to make them similar.
3.This year FLL was almost all about delivering objects or picking them up and moving them only one thing required activation an all time low.
4.FTC also is all about a lot of objects that need to be collected and delivered.
5.Last year FRC set a record for fewest field elements.

What i thing this means is that we will be seeing a reinstatement of the Aim High kind of game with many game pieces to be processed efficently and then when you take into account the HINT #1 it makes it look like we will be fishing for something. and when you search moonfish you find the picture at a commercial fishing site who process large numbers of fish. I am trying to draw conclusions from things other than game hints because FIRST has a tendency to try to improve on the year before, usually from the perspective of the onlooker. So this might mean making all three tournaments more alike which so far this year they have done with FLL and FTC.

P.S.
Terrain has been present for the first time in two years for FLL and the first time ever in FTC so teams may want to think about 4x4 Robots:D

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Inverting the colors in Paint actually helps quite a bit, and by tilting my moniter it becomes very easy to see that the letters are either overlapping or not in english (or both). There appear to be letters on top of numbers, or maybe it's the other way around. I really don't think the text is relevant to the competition. It looks like either something thrown in to mess with us or was an accident.

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I think its going to be a race track with different terrain and the game objects are similar to tetras.

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I doubt we'll see a race game again, FIRST likes to completely change gears from one game to a very different new game.

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thinking of the first clue and the second clue we might be fishing with our robots that we made :D

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I think we're overanalyzing, with the entire "ooh, there's a hidden message somewhere in the encrypted version of the file" and such :)

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to make out the text in the background open the fishie up on photoshop. flip the image, then set the darkness to as dark as it will go. its an entry fro an encyclopedia or dictionary of something. but i dont think that FIRST would let something like that slip. this has to be relevant.:cool:

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i dont think it has to do with wateri think it has to do with the movement of the fish

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It's also known as a moon fish. I'm thinking a luner lander. The FTC is doing something with weird surfaces. I doubt it will do anything with water. It's got a camera and a high speed router, so you most likely won't be able to see it. I'm guessing the text is in the hint picture because they scanned it out of a book. I doubt there is any info on it that you can't find on internet.

Check out a the trial robots.
http://first.wpi.edu/FRC/cstechnical.html

I agree that it will be on some crazy surfaces though.

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Did it ever occur to anyone that the reason we have the new super-resistant controller was for the use in this game.Besides the fact the old ones we becomming out of date, why would we need one that was even military-destruction proof. I could be wrong about this, but it seems to me that the board might have been the first clue. I think this game may be water based in some way, or possibly like ive seen in the older posts that it could deal with a tough terrain

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that is one ugly fish

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so i was lookin at the game hint #2 forum earlier but couldn't find it when i got back online, but i was thinking........since zambonies deal with slippery conditions maybe there will be no carpet in some areas and autonomos of course, with obstructions and hurdling?:confused:

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not to mention, with the description of the game posted a little further down, the mention of the ship. if i remember correctly, one of the posts said that the 'moonfish' on finding nemo turned into a boat or ship, right?


i was fiddling around the 'net for a bit myself and toying with that 'one fish two fish red fish blue fish' thing. got these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Fis...Fish_Blue_Fish

"multicolour Fluorescent In-Situ Hybridization (FISH) was subtitled "One FISH two FISH red FISH blue FISH"."

http://www.microscopyu.com/articles/...nerinsitu.html

mentions increased accuracy and things like that... i have no idea :P but maybe someone can come up with something? you never know.


also, on that anagram topic... some stuff i found from the fish's names

lots about jokes and scales
Joke scaled Had Rum
Joke scaled Hard Um
Joke scaled Hard Mu
Joke scaled Dram Uh
Joke scaled Rad Hum
Joke scaled Ha Drum
Joke scaled Ah Drum
Joke scaled Rah Mud
Joke scaled Mar Duh
Joke scaled Arm Duh
Joke scaled Ram Duh

some about area edits
Area Edit Most
Area Edit Mots
Area Edit Toms

"Impaired Lad" supports the lack of vision idea

"Grasp Mutual $@#$@#$@#$@#" - just found that amusing but you never know, it could come to something
EDIT: woops, it censors that word.

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i dont htink tht has anything to do with it noah i think its the way that the fish moves... it can only move vertically

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Hmm... it's a dead fish. No more Fisher Price motors? :)

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that isnt true...
look at:

RED GURNARD
OCEAN PERCH
JOHN DORY
RED EMPEROR

for example

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I really agree with you!!! Why in the world would we need all that if the game WASNt gonna be really dangerous. I dont think its gonna be a water-based game but maybe HDPE (very slippery stuff) that has been used in previous games.

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If you flip the image horizontally and change around the brightness and contrast a little, you can start to read what it says in the background. I'm having a hard time reading it because the words are kind of grainy. Also, there is a picture in the background that is half blocked by the fish. I'm trying the figure out what exactly that is.

I think that the fish actually has little to do with the clue. I could be wrong, but I think that it is there as a distraction from what is hidden in the back.

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Tehy determined a loooong time ago that the picture was scanned and that the text in the background was the text on the next page. Theres also a fish on the next page. Then they went on to find a PDF copy of the book itself. This ruled out any FIRST hidden message within the image.

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I have done some photoshoping around and found the words, "Deeply Forked" in the background!

Still trying.

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::sigh::

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I'm not sleeping because of this hint its like better than area 51

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Its definitely the windows program, windows is in one of the towns in the riddle and moonfish is a windows program

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Nothing has been ruled out, as we do not know what the game is ... yet.

Just because the background image is bleedthru from the next page in the book does not eliminate it as being part of the clue ... unless you know something you're not telling us :rolleyes:

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We found it online with a google image search of moonfish? Exact same image

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wow this seems to be my favorite explanation even though idk what they want with windows

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Overheard at a GDC meeting a few weeks ago:
Dave: So, you guys want to have some fun?
Dean: Yeah, what did you have in mind?
Dave: Let's post a picture of a fish.

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Maybe this will help you guys read it not sure. Hope I helped.

:o i tried....

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As did others before you ...

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... and what makes you think they didn't choose that picture because it has an image thats bleeding through and not because it's a moonfish?

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I have to ask who would google moonfish looking for an image that is bleedthrough?

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Dave?

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:D ROFL!!!

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I see a silhouette of a ufo, so i googled "fish ufo" and the first hit was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SZPTV2JGJw
We will be using a green light again

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That's a great observation, but I don't know how that could relate to the game.

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has it occured to anyone else that after all this speculation, about all the fish had to do with it was the name of the fish?
well, that and the optional colour sensing

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I was thinking moonfish as two different things, the first being the Moon, obviously, but the second as a "hockey fish", playing up the playing surface as an icefloor. I first heard this term in a book "The Shockwave River", an interesting SF novel from 1975 that predicts many things, including how intertwined the internet will be with people. Strangely, not via computers but touchkey desk phones with a screen.

I haven't been able to track down what is a "hockey fish" -- in the novel it is referred as a "hockey 'fish" and seems to be someone who follows a particular hockey team. It could be a current term in the hockey world, or just a very obscure reference the GDC came up with.

In the novel it came along with "sweedack", which I also thought was a current hockey term, but one internet source says it was also created in the book -- a French contraction of 'je suis d'accord' used by French-Canadian hockey players in the novel.

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So let me get this right, the only thing about this hint that was part of the game was the word: "moon." Man we / I overlooked the obvious.

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They could have also meant that our robots will be fish-tailing.

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Also that fish move in a low gravity environment.

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we always do, that's what makes them fun!

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well fish are slippery too yes?

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fair point :D

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i really think it means its slippery

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Yeah, that occurred to me....and it's what I suspected back on page 6 of this thread

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...4&postcount=79

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Ooo~ someone has skills~ ;)
it was still fun speculating, though

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skills...luck...whatever :)

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hahaha sometimes there isn't much difference

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i still think it's amazing how we look back at this and kind just go "Oh DUH! that's what it meant!"

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ha last year's clue was another fish, and the game was about the moon. so this couuld mean anything. . .. . . ..

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1. Please don't bump old threads.
2. Game hint threads appearing put me more than 30% closer to a heart attack.
3. Moderators, please close this before it again get confused with a new game hint.

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I almost died there...Jeezzzz....

I second to be removed

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Closing.