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YES!!!!!! you know what this means......
WATER GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Take a look at the image from an angle to your screen. There is a silhouette and some illegible text in the background.
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while it's red, that it's notably not a herring...
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Finally a game hint :))
I can see the writing when tilting my screen but its hard to make out:confused: |
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Ladies and Gentlemen, here we go. Start your insanity!
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And now there is no chance of ANY of us doing anything but discussing this for the next 300 responses.
How long until someone posts a copy with the text saturated and darkened in ps? I bet 2 hrs. |
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Seth, how did you find this link, I can't seem to get to it unless I follow your link... is it under the manual?
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Look deeper, kids. The letters are written backwards...
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Anyone know what kind of fish this is? |
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I'm calling the bluff. No water game.
Crosses fingers. CRAP< THE LETTERS ARE BACKWARDS. :D. My friend knows how to read backwards. hehehehe. [muahahhaha] Can anyone make out the shape in the background? It looks like a hat or a flying saucer...? @Beth Sweet: If you go to usfirst.org , then go under already invovled, FRC, it's right there. |
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http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Spec...ry.php?id=1072 Here is a Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opah |
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usfirst.org > already involved > FRC > the Game Hint link on that page
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It's a fish
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Ah yes, there it is, totally missed it. Thanks!
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My first thought wasn't a water game.
More like a fat fish who just "ATE." Maybe like 2006 and "EAT" (collect) balls (fish pellets) until we are full. Then, fire away! |
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The image and writing in the background could be of the next page of the book. As it was scanned, a faint image can appear in the background
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The Opah is a deep-bodied, compressed fish. It is deep blue on the back grading to a lighter blue or silver on the belly. The body is covered with white spots and the fins are a vibrant red.
Opahs grow to over 1.5 m in length and can weigh over 70 kg. They eat other fishes and squids. The species has a worldwide oceanic distribution. It is a mid-water species which lives at depths between 100 m and 400 m. In Australia it is known from off northern New South Wales, around the south of the country including Tasmania, to south-western Western Australia. The 87 cm long specimen in the image is registered in the Australian Museum Fish Collection (AMS I.24492-001). It was collected on a tuna long line off Ulladulla, New South Wales in March 1984. The upper lobe of its caudal (tail) fin is missing. The species has also been called Spotted Moonfish and Opal Fish. |
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i think the letter mean that the cam this year is going to have to recognize faint letters.....
Behind a Fish :D |
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Here it is. Looks like bleed through from the back of the page it was copied from.
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I tried to clear it with photoshop but i think it got worse kinda
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6 fins for one fish.
6v0 alliances! :yikes: Wetzel |
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A few words I've roughly found:
"deeply" "forked" "body" And a picture of a shark in the background. I vote page bleed. |
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It was Lampris luna (now Lampris guttatus) common name Opah or Moonfish. It is an open ocean fish not commonly seen near shore or in shallow water. It is believed to move fast and manouver nimbly. It is a midwater deep sea fish. It is unusual because it has pectorial fins that point straight up, and are believed to be the main force in locamotion rather than the tail. It is the only member of its family and can be quite large up to 500 lbs. The mouth is highly protractile.
Plenty of food for thought... |
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I could read "body" and "deeply forked" the shape bleeding through appears to be another fish. I would bet that it was scanned from a fish book. Duh...
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Hooray for useless game hints and speculation!!!! |
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color modified, some of the words are readable. I could probably change the levels a bit more to get it better. Also I flipped it horizontally because the text would be backwards on the other side of the page.
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What filter levels did you use?
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CONNECT THE DOTS!! Dots 1-3000 create a rough image of Dean Kamen.
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It's a shop. I can tell from the pixels and the...metadata.
Also, checking out the file deeper, there seems to be some interesting embedded XML data. I don't know if this is common with Photoshop on OSX, but here it is anyway. Code:
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd"> |
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in the back ground you can see man ray lurking in the shadows
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Its Inner tubes(fish->water) fitting into small/thin places(fish->size)!
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I doubt the actual hint is the fish. I think it may have more to do with the page in the background. If they really wanted to make the Opah the clue, then they would have simply copy and pasted a picture. :D.
Just something interesting though " An opah has four types of flesh, each a different color" |
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i found something.
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lancetfish You can get some of the words out of it in the correct order. |
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The_M01e just found a website containing the exact background text:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lancetfish |
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The fish is shaped like a football. Footballs, or rugby balls, will be used as game pieces.
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Me again, I think morphology is what we're looking for on the website. I think thats the big hint.
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I doubt they scanned it... found this image here:
http://www.australianseafoodexports..../moonfish1.jpg http://www.australianseafoodexports....rderonline.htm Google Images: "Moon Fish" Enjoy! -Oris- |
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This has got to be the fastest growing thread yet. But, I think the rugby/football idea might be it....
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I'm going to call that this is conclusive proof that this year there will NOT be a water game. Dave would never be that obvious...
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Fish typically roam the sea in schools, right? How about we go back to the old school 4v0 type of game, where all the robots on the field are out there to make a giant score and not play any defense?
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Well, you can tell they've photoshopped it somehow from metadata in the FIRST picture that isn't prevalent in the original. Now the real goal is to see if there are a difference if one opens them. Try some different filters and overlay styles (linear burn, etc.).
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alliances -> fish schools |
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Morphology sounds like a fun FIRST like word
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Either that or they're calling us all big fish...I mean...they are using a small fish to bait us.
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round fish = round arena
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Awesome find!! We can rule out that someone at FIRST scanned it in. Quote:
(See above statement) Bring on the next Clue! |
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Based on the http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lancetfish
I believe the hint is the heading "Morphology" And thanks to wikipedia, here are some definitions: # Morphology (linguistics), the study of the structure and content of word forms # Morphology (biology), the study of the form or shape of an organism or part thereof # Morphology (astronomy), the shape of astronomical objects such as nebulae, galaxies, or other extended objects # Morphology (folkloristics), the structure of narratives such as folk tales # Geomorphology, the study of landforms # Mathematical morphology, a theoretical model based on lattice theory, used for digital image processing # River morphology, the field of science dealing with changes of river planform # Morphological analysis, a general method for non-quantified modelling |
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On a related note, I am still thinking this is just a sick, sick joke by Mr Lavery to make us all crazy. But, I will bite, someone earlier mentioned that the Opah engage in "vertical migrations from the deep up the slopes of seamounts in search of food. Opah are taken on longline gear year-round, but landings seem to peak in April-August." Based upon this information, we will have to climb something, be it ramp or step or even bars, to retrieve the game pieces. Based on the fact that the migrations appear to peak during months that we are not competing there will most likely be a smattering of game pieces on the ground as well but the upper ones will be worth more points. There you go GDC, I hope you are enjoying this feeding frenzy. |
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Game hints are really just a conspiracy for the GDC 'alpha test' last-minute ideas that are 'guessed at' by the community. :rolleyes:
Here's my take ambiguous guess that HAS to be right because it covers almost every possibility: Fish are slippery. That means either the ground or the game piece will be hard to grasp/navigate/contend with unless you have a non-standard robot setup. |
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Since this is a deep water fish where very little light will reach, maybe our robots will have to operating in an environment with little or no visible light.
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A friend of mine suggested that it may have to do with how fish swim, moving side to side. Maybe articulated drivetrains will be advantageous...
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They are most certainly NOT the same size.
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you have got to be kidding me!!! a fish!!!
there is no way that its a water game... they would have to be plastic/rubber game pieces that we have to transfer around. different kinds of fish make different amounts of points... Thats where the vision systems kick in... Since the RC has real time processing, the fish are going to be moving when the bot has to pick Them up! THIS IS REDICULOUS!!! Fishing!!! UGH! lol...there is my 2 cents/pennies -Samir |
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I also like that its other names are moonfish and opal fish. There are lots of things to think about with this hint. It's fun. |
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I see Feeding Frenzy being the name.
the little or no light wouldn't make for a very exciting game for spectators, but something we need to think about is what the new control system can do that the last one couldn't. I like the climbing or up/down idea to retrieve the game pieces, possible we will have to use the new camera to retrieve those game pieces from "the depths" (or the heights) where the drivers have no line of sight. |
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EDIT:Sorry, IndySam beat me to it. |
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The opah has four different types of flesh of different colors and the control system shipped with a camera so couldn't the game involve multi-colored game pieces that the camera has to identify to be sorted and placed in different areas?
Of course, it could be a fake clue... |
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If you look at my previous post, there is XML data in the 2nd one that isn't in the 1st one. Could just be EXIF data though.
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Again: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lancetfish
I propose that the text in the background is the paragraph that is under the heading "Morphology" I think "morphology" is the key word here. |
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It seems as though the picture was scanned out of a book, that explains the picture of another fish facing the opposite direction and the backwards text, they are on the next page.
As for the clue I would venture to say that it has something to do with the name of the fish possibly. Maybe the moon part of moonfish has some significants? Moon comes out in the dark, and with the cameras in the new control system maybe there is a portion of the game (scoring area) that the drivers will not be able to see and have to use the camera? Just some ideas. -Sam |
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Has anyone tested the Axis camera and it's quality?
'Cause we might be struck this year by FISH EYE LENS. ![]() Eh? . I still vote for water game. Everyone said 2009 will be water. Why shouldn't it?:rolleyes: |
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Original file was opened up on a graphics computer at FIRST in Photoshop and then just re-saved at PS default compression of 8. Specifically in PS CS3 on a Mac.
That's why it is different. |
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moonfish....
the playing field will have a surface similar to that of the moon.... |
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the one on the website was created: dec 4 08 at 16:29 how was FIRST's created before? |
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HAH!
75 replies in an hour, I love FIRST. maybe we will have to make sushi? -Vivek |
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Everyone is thinking about different things and exploring different things. Later when things settle down, folks will go back over the thread and re-read it. Plus, this thread is going to grow and grow and grow for a few hours, perhaps, days. I paid attention to what you wrote the first time and looked up morphology. It's interesting. |
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You downloaded the one off the other website to your computer today about 15 minutes ago - again no shock. |
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Real Opah Fishin'!
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Morphology I think leads to the word morph or change. That our robots are going to change to fit into places of something like that. I have a feeling that our robots will have to change in order to do something. Though I like what some of the others have came out with. I'm looking up a video where they showed the camera's video.
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would be cool if we had to dress and cook the fish too
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Btw, since this same image was found on a site with the title moonfish1.jpg, (moonfish.jpg without the "1" from the same site shown below in my signature btw - lol) maybe it has some kind of relevance to the moon's configuration this past Monday?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegasrob/3076451492/ Anyone else see that Monday night? I thought it was odd enough to notice, & it was kinda cool. But what could it mean in the clue world of FIRST? |
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The fish is an opah. Opah is close to Oprah. My guess is that Ms. Winfrey kicks off the game!:D
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Opah = Moonfish
same fish. |
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Morphology?, could that mean that some part of the field might change throughout the match, like between modes or something.
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I think I've found some extra information on the game. It seems we can submit questions about the new game here.
Good luck! |
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They did not search the web to find a scan with details about a lancetfish viewable in reverse from the back page of the scan to point us to word "morphology."
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Coupling these two thoughts together (and after looking up morphology myself, remember, English is a good thing to know!) I could see game pieces/fields that radically change over time. OR perhaps we should recall the April fool's prank at West Michigan in 2006, the light changing colors. Or perhaps Morphology only refers to the change in competition structure for FIRST. |
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But if they do crash.. let me just say, "My bad!" lol :rolleyes: |
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This was the morphology I looked up. All these different areas...wow.
Also, Elgin, I did see the moon and planets that evening. It was an incredible night for a walk. Thanks for the link. Beautiful. Edit: Sorry Indy, I just read your post. I just like the word. You do have a point. :) |
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OK, here is my EARLY $.02. One or two of the Game Elements are going to have a very large bonus value related to them. But they will be very difficult to attain. |
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