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Ice Berg 04-12-2008 15:13

Game Hint #1
 


Another Fish?!

This was on:

http://usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=11310

lenny8 04-12-2008 15:18

Re: Game Hint #1
 
YES!!!!!! you know what this means......


WATER GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ice Berg 04-12-2008 15:20

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Take a look at the image from an angle to your screen. There is a silhouette and some illegible text in the background.

Nuttyman54 04-12-2008 15:23

Re: Game Hint #1
 
while it's red, that it's notably not a herring...

Muktar Ali 04-12-2008 15:26

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Finally a game hint :))

I can see the writing when tilting my screen but its hard to make out:confused:

CraigHickman 04-12-2008 15:28

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, here we go. Start your insanity!

Andrew Schreiber 04-12-2008 15:28

Re: Game Hint #1
 
And now there is no chance of ANY of us doing anything but discussing this for the next 300 responses.

How long until someone posts a copy with the text saturated and darkened in ps? I bet 2 hrs.

Beth Sweet 04-12-2008 15:31

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Seth, how did you find this link, I can't seem to get to it unless I follow your link... is it under the manual?

synth3tk 04-12-2008 15:31

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Look deeper, kids. The letters are written backwards...

Greg Needel 04-12-2008 15:31

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 779361)
And now there is no chance of ANY of us doing anything but discussing this for the next 300 responses.

How long until someone posts a copy with the text saturated and darkened in ps? I bet 2 hrs.

I am working on it now, I started by looking at the meta data for the photo. I don't think the text will tell us anything except a clue to what book this was scanned out of.


Anyone know what kind of fish this is?

ttldomination 04-12-2008 15:32

Re: Game Hint #1
 
I'm calling the bluff. No water game.

Crosses fingers.

CRAP< THE LETTERS ARE BACKWARDS. :D. My friend knows how to read backwards. hehehehe. [muahahhaha]

Can anyone make out the shape in the background? It looks like a hat or a flying saucer...?

@Beth Sweet: If you go to usfirst.org , then go under already invovled, FRC, it's right there.

SuperJake 04-12-2008 15:33

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 779364)
Anyone know what kind of fish this is?

It looks to be a Lampris Guttatus, commonly called an Opah.

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Spec...ry.php?id=1072

Here is a Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opah

Ice Berg 04-12-2008 15:34

Re: Game Hint #1
 
usfirst.org > already involved > FRC > the Game Hint link on that page

IndySam 04-12-2008 15:37

Re: Game Hint #1
 
It's a fish


/thread

Beth Sweet 04-12-2008 15:37

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Ah yes, there it is, totally missed it. Thanks!

waialua359 04-12-2008 15:38

Re: Game Hint #1
 
My first thought wasn't a water game.
More like a fat fish who just "ATE."
Maybe like 2006 and "EAT" (collect) balls (fish pellets) until we are full.
Then, fire away!

Muktar Ali 04-12-2008 15:42

Re: Game Hint #1
 
The image and writing in the background could be of the next page of the book. As it was scanned, a faint image can appear in the background

IndySam 04-12-2008 15:43

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperJake (Post 779366)
It looks to be a Lampris Guttatus, commonly called an Opah.

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Spec...ry.php?id=1072

LOL we crashed this website.

IndySam 04-12-2008 15:43

Re: Game Hint #1
 
The Opah is a deep-bodied, compressed fish. It is deep blue on the back grading to a lighter blue or silver on the belly. The body is covered with white spots and the fins are a vibrant red.

Opahs grow to over 1.5 m in length and can weigh over 70 kg.

They eat other fishes and squids.

The species has a worldwide oceanic distribution. It is a mid-water species which lives at depths between 100 m and 400 m. In Australia it is known from off northern New South Wales, around the south of the country including Tasmania, to south-western Western Australia.

The 87 cm long specimen in the image is registered in the Australian Museum Fish Collection (AMS I.24492-001). It was collected on a tuna long line off Ulladulla, New South Wales in March 1984. The upper lobe of its caudal (tail) fin is missing.

The species has also been called Spotted Moonfish and Opal Fish.

Elgin Clock 04-12-2008 15:44

Re: Game Hint #1
 
OPAH!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opah

http://www.state.hi.us/dbedt/seafood/opah.html

synth3tk 04-12-2008 15:45

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Muktar Ali (Post 779373)
The image and writing in the background could be of the next page of the book. As it was scanned, a faint image can appear in the background

Those are some pretty thin pages, but I believe you're right. I don't think the phrases/words will mean anything significant. But then again, who knows if this clue does either.... :rolleyes:

SuperJake 04-12-2008 15:47

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 779377)

I think this is interesting from the Hawaii website (emphasis mine):

Quote:

Opah are not found in schools, and thus are not caught in any quantity. However, individual fish are regularly hooked by longline boats fishing over seamounts. Landings follow no set pattern in any particular area, but the presence of opah at the depths of longline fishing gear may be related to vertical migrations from the deep up the slopes of seamounts in search of food. Opah are taken on longline gear year-round, but landings seem to peak in April-August.
also...

Quote:

In Hawaii, the opah has historically been an incidental catch of longline gear. Only recently has this species become commercially important. The opah was viewed as a good luck fish by old-time longline fishermen, who would give it away as a gesture of goodwill rather than sell it.
Possibly a single robot will have to climb down (or is placed inside) a deep area - its task is to give scoring objects to other robots. The other robots cannot reach scoring objects without the help of this robot.

lenny8 04-12-2008 15:47

Re: Game Hint #1
 
i think the letter mean that the cam this year is going to have to recognize faint letters.....


Behind a Fish :D

martin417 04-12-2008 15:48

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Here it is. Looks like bleed through from the back of the page it was copied from.



if you can't see the image, try this:

http://picasaweb.google.com/mwilson4...39325316773090

koreabell 04-12-2008 15:49

Re: Game Hint #1
 
I tried to clear it with photoshop but i think it got worse kinda


Wetzel 04-12-2008 15:49

Re: Game Hint #1
 
6 fins for one fish.
6v0 alliances! :yikes:

Wetzel

synth3tk 04-12-2008 15:51

Re: Game Hint #1
 
A few words I've roughly found:

"deeply"
"forked"
"body"

And a picture of a shark in the background. I vote page bleed.

ChuckDickerson 04-12-2008 15:51

Re: Game Hint #1
 
It was Lampris luna (now Lampris guttatus) common name Opah or Moonfish. It is an open ocean fish not commonly seen near shore or in shallow water. It is believed to move fast and manouver nimbly. It is a midwater deep sea fish. It is unusual because it has pectorial fins that point straight up, and are believed to be the main force in locamotion rather than the tail. It is the only member of its family and can be quite large up to 500 lbs. The mouth is highly protractile.

Plenty of food for thought...

martin417 04-12-2008 15:52

Re: Game Hint #1
 
I could read "body" and "deeply forked" the shape bleeding through appears to be another fish. I would bet that it was scanned from a fish book. Duh...

James1902 04-12-2008 15:54

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

An opah has four types of flesh, each a different color
Four different alliances all different colors?:ahh:

Quote:

The opah was viewed as a good luck fish by old-time longline fishermen, who would give it away as a gesture of goodwill rather than sell it.
Or a game involving "Sharing or giving away" pieces to other robots

Quote:

indicates that opah—like tuna—maintain themselves at constantly high speeds
Speed may be important as well




Hooray for useless game hints and speculation!!!!

Greg Needel 04-12-2008 15:54

Re: Game Hint #1
 
color modified, some of the words are readable. I could probably change the levels a bit more to get it better. Also I flipped it horizontally because the text would be backwards on the other side of the page.



synth3tk 04-12-2008 15:55

Re: Game Hint #1
 
What filter levels did you use?

Cyberphil 04-12-2008 15:56

Re: Game Hint #1
 
CONNECT THE DOTS!! Dots 1-3000 create a rough image of Dean Kamen.

Michael Hill 04-12-2008 15:57

Re: Game Hint #1
 
It's a shop. I can tell from the pixels and the...metadata.

Also, checking out the file deeper, there seems to be some interesting embedded XML data. I don't know if this is common with Photoshop on OSX, but here it is anyway.

Code:

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lenny8 04-12-2008 15:57

Re: Game Hint #1
 
in the back ground you can see man ray lurking in the shadows



The_M01e 04-12-2008 15:59

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Its Inner tubes(fish->water) fitting into small/thin places(fish->size)!

ttldomination 04-12-2008 15:59

Re: Game Hint #1
 
I doubt the actual hint is the fish. I think it may have more to do with the page in the background. If they really wanted to make the Opah the clue, then they would have simply copy and pasted a picture. :D.

Just something interesting though " An opah has four types of flesh, each a different color"

The_M01e 04-12-2008 16:03

Re: Game Hint #1
 
i found something.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lancetfish

You can get some of the words out of it in the correct order.

synth3tk 04-12-2008 16:03

Re: Game Hint #1
 
The_M01e just found a website containing the exact background text:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lancetfish

Richard Wallace 04-12-2008 16:05

Re: Game Hint #1
 
The fish is shaped like a football. Footballs, or rugby balls, will be used as game pieces.

The_M01e 04-12-2008 16:06

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Me again, I think morphology is what we're looking for on the website. I think thats the big hint.

SamC 04-12-2008 16:07

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by synth3tk (Post 779399)
The_M01e just found a website containing the exact background text:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lancetfish

..and the FIRST/CD community has successfully crashed another site today...

Clinton Bolinger 04-12-2008 16:08

Re: Game Hint #1
 
I doubt they scanned it... found this image here:

http://www.australianseafoodexports..../moonfish1.jpg

http://www.australianseafoodexports....rderonline.htm

Google Images: "Moon Fish"

Enjoy!

-Oris-

ttldomination 04-12-2008 16:09

Re: Game Hint #1
 
This has got to be the fastest growing thread yet. But, I think the rugby/football idea might be it....

Joe G. 04-12-2008 16:09

Re: Game Hint #1
 
I'm going to call that this is conclusive proof that this year there will NOT be a water game. Dave would never be that obvious...

Kyle Love 04-12-2008 16:10

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Fish typically roam the sea in schools, right? How about we go back to the old school 4v0 type of game, where all the robots on the field are out there to make a giant score and not play any defense?

JaneYoung 04-12-2008 16:10

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle Love (Post 779407)
Fish typically roam the sea in schools, right? How about we go back to the old school 4v0 type of game, where all the robots on the field are out there to make a giant score and not play any defense?

This fish is a loner. No schools.

Michael Hill 04-12-2008 16:11

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Well, you can tell they've photoshopped it somehow from metadata in the FIRST picture that isn't prevalent in the original. Now the real goal is to see if there are a difference if one opens them. Try some different filters and overlay styles (linear burn, etc.).

synth3tk 04-12-2008 16:12

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JaneYoung (Post 779408)
This fish is a loner. No schools.

QFT. But, that doesn't mean it can't represent no alliances. Last few years, the game has been alliance-based.

alliances -> fish schools

Ryan Caldwell 04-12-2008 16:13

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Morphology sounds like a fun FIRST like word

Michael Hill 04-12-2008 16:13

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Either that or they're calling us all big fish...I mean...they are using a small fish to bait us.

eitang 04-12-2008 16:14

Re: Game Hint #1
 
round fish = round arena

Elgin Clock 04-12-2008 16:14

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oris (Post 779404)
I doubt they scanned it... found this image here:

http://www.australianseafoodexports..../moonfish1.jpg

http://www.australianseafoodexports....rderonline.htm

Google Images: "Moon Fish"

Enjoy!

-Oris-

Exact same image, with the same exact dimensions & filesize!
Awesome find!!
We can rule out that someone at FIRST scanned it in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 779409)
Well, you can tell they've photoshopped it somehow from metadata in the FIRST picture that isn't prevalent in the original. Now the real goal is to see if there are a difference if one opens them. Try some different filters and overlay styles (linear burn, etc.).

Wouldn't that make the file size vary from the original if FIRST modified it???
(See above statement)


Bring on the next Clue!

The_M01e 04-12-2008 16:15

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Based on the http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lancetfish

I believe the hint is the heading "Morphology" And thanks to wikipedia, here are some definitions:
# Morphology (linguistics), the study of the structure and content of word forms
# Morphology (biology), the study of the form or shape of an organism or part thereof
# Morphology (astronomy), the shape of astronomical objects such as nebulae, galaxies, or other extended objects
# Morphology (folkloristics), the structure of narratives such as folk tales
# Geomorphology, the study of landforms
# Mathematical morphology, a theoretical model based on lattice theory, used for digital image processing
# River morphology, the field of science dealing with changes of river planform
# Morphological analysis, a general method for non-quantified modelling

Andrew Schreiber 04-12-2008 16:16

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamSofa330 (Post 779403)
..and the FIRST/CD community has successfully crashed another site today...

Wow, you know we are getting big when we can effectively Slashdot a site (explanation:slashdot effect is when a site is linked in a popular place and the massive in flow of traffic knocks the site off line, happens a lot with Digg.com stuff too)

On a related note, I am still thinking this is just a sick, sick joke by Mr Lavery to make us all crazy.

But, I will bite, someone earlier mentioned that the Opah engage in "vertical migrations from the deep up the slopes of seamounts in search of food. Opah are taken on longline gear year-round, but landings seem to peak in April-August." Based upon this information, we will have to climb something, be it ramp or step or even bars, to retrieve the game pieces. Based on the fact that the migrations appear to peak during months that we are not competing there will most likely be a smattering of game pieces on the ground as well but the upper ones will be worth more points.

There you go GDC, I hope you are enjoying this feeding frenzy.

JesseK 04-12-2008 16:16

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Game hints are really just a conspiracy for the GDC 'alpha test' last-minute ideas that are 'guessed at' by the community. :rolleyes:

Here's my take ambiguous guess that HAS to be right because it covers almost every possibility:
Fish are slippery. That means either the ground or the game piece will be hard to grasp/navigate/contend with unless you have a non-standard robot setup.

Engineer 04-12-2008 16:18

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Since this is a deep water fish where very little light will reach, maybe our robots will have to operating in an environment with little or no visible light.

IndySam 04-12-2008 16:20

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 779417)
Wow, you know we are getting big when we can effectively Slashdot a site (explanation:slashdot effect is when a site is linked in a popular place and the massive in flow of traffic knocks the site off line, happens a lot with Digg.com stuff too)

On a related note, I am still thinking this is just a sick, sick joke by Mr Lavery to make us all crazy.

But, I will bite, someone earlier mentioned that the Opah engage in "vertical migrations from the deep up the slopes of seamounts in search of food. Opah are taken on longline gear year-round, but landings seem to peak in April-August." Based upon this information, we will have to climb something, be it ramp or step or even bars, to retrieve the game pieces. Based on the fact that the migrations appear to peak during months that we are not competing there will most likely be a smattering of game pieces on the ground as well but the upper ones will be worth more points.

There you go GDC, I hope you are enjoying this feeding frenzy.

Great name for a game.

Joe G. 04-12-2008 16:21

Re: Game Hint #1
 
A friend of mine suggested that it may have to do with how fish swim, moving side to side. Maybe articulated drivetrains will be advantageous...

Michael Hill 04-12-2008 16:21

Re: Game Hint #1
 
They are most certainly NOT the same size.


James1902 04-12-2008 16:23

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 779423)
They are most certainly NOT the same size.



well that's a bit odd

Rich Kressly 04-12-2008 16:24

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54 (Post 779358)
while it's red, that it's notably not a herring...

No kidding. I'm soooooo disappointed ;)

synth3tk 04-12-2008 16:24

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James1902 (Post 779424)
well that's a bit odd

Yes, it is. The size was almost doubled for the clue. Did anyone find any other meta data yet?

samir13k 04-12-2008 16:25

Re: Game Hint #1
 
you have got to be kidding me!!! a fish!!!
there is no way that its a water game... they
would have to be plastic/rubber game pieces that
we have to transfer around. different kinds of fish
make different amounts of points...
Thats where the vision systems kick in...
Since the RC has real time processing,
the fish are going to be moving when the bot has
to pick Them up!
THIS IS REDICULOUS!!! Fishing!!! UGH!

lol...there is my 2 cents/pennies

-Samir

JaneYoung 04-12-2008 16:26

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by synth3tk (Post 779411)
But, that doesn't mean it can't represent no alliances. Last few years, the game has been alliance-based.

Right. I was thinking about the word, seamount, and how these fish are caught.

I also like that its other names are moonfish and opal fish. There are lots of things to think about with this hint. It's fun.

erstech 04-12-2008 16:27

Re: Game Hint #1
 
I see Feeding Frenzy being the name.
the little or no light wouldn't make for a very exciting game for spectators, but something we need to think about is what the new control system can do that the last one couldn't.
I like the climbing or up/down idea to retrieve the game pieces, possible we will have to use the new camera to retrieve those game pieces from "the depths" (or the heights) where the drivers have no line of sight.

IndySam 04-12-2008 16:29

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by synth3tk (Post 779426)
Yes, it is. The size was almost doubled for the clue. Did anyone find any other meta data yet?

Just saved with a different level of JPEG compression. Same file.

Elgin Clock 04-12-2008 16:30

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 779423)
They are most certainly NOT the same size.


I retract the exact filesize comment, but dimensionally (560 x 504 pixels) they are still the same.

Andrew Schreiber 04-12-2008 16:31

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James1902 (Post 779424)
well that's a bit odd

Actually its not that odd, it does prove that it was modified somewhere along the line, not necessarily by FIRST. Nor does it mean there is additional information, a different compression format would change the size drastically like that. Also, are they the same format? Images are a tricky thing to compare.

EDIT:Sorry, IndySam beat me to it.

rutzman 04-12-2008 16:32

Re: Game Hint #1
 
The opah has four different types of flesh of different colors and the control system shipped with a camera so couldn't the game involve multi-colored game pieces that the camera has to identify to be sorted and placed in different areas?

Of course, it could be a fake clue...

synth3tk 04-12-2008 16:32

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 779431)
Just saved with a different level of JPEG compression. Same file.

True. But remember, this is a FIRST Game Hint. Nothing's too wild an idea. ;)

Knippschild 04-12-2008 16:33

Re: Game Hint #1
 



Michael Hill 04-12-2008 16:33

Re: Game Hint #1
 
If you look at my previous post, there is XML data in the 2nd one that isn't in the 1st one. Could just be EXIF data though.

The_M01e 04-12-2008 16:34

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Again: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lancetfish

I propose that the text in the background is the paragraph that is under the heading "Morphology"

I think "morphology" is the key word here.

Chief Samwize 04-12-2008 16:35

Re: Game Hint #1
 
It seems as though the picture was scanned out of a book, that explains the picture of another fish facing the opposite direction and the backwards text, they are on the next page.

As for the clue I would venture to say that it has something to do with the name of the fish possibly. Maybe the moon part of moonfish has some significants? Moon comes out in the dark, and with the cameras in the new control system maybe there is a portion of the game (scoring area) that the drivers will not be able to see and have to use the camera?

Just some ideas.

-Sam

Bomberofdoom 04-12-2008 16:36

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Has anyone tested the Axis camera and it's quality?

'Cause we might be struck this year by FISH EYE LENS.


Eh?





.


I still vote for water game. Everyone said 2009 will be water. Why shouldn't it?:rolleyes:

IndySam 04-12-2008 16:37

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Original file was opened up on a graphics computer at FIRST in Photoshop and then just re-saved at PS default compression of 8. Specifically in PS CS3 on a Mac.

That's why it is different.

synth3tk 04-12-2008 16:38

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 779441)
Original file was opened up on a graphics computer at FIRST in Photoshop and then just re-saved at PS default compression of 8. Specifically in PS CS3 on a Mac.

That's why it is different.

Thanks for the clarifications. That rules out any super-secret embedded data...

MrForbes 04-12-2008 16:38

Re: Game Hint #1
 
moonfish....

the playing field will have a surface similar to that of the moon....

fimmel 04-12-2008 16:39

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 779409)
Well, you can tell they've photoshopped it somehow from metadata in the FIRST picture that isn't prevalent in the original. Now the real goal is to see if there are a difference if one opens them. Try some different filters and overlay styles (linear burn, etc.).

the odd thing is that the FIRST picture was created: dec 3 08 19:56

the one on the website was created: dec 4 08 at 16:29

how was FIRST's created before?

vivek16 04-12-2008 16:40

Re: Game Hint #1
 
HAH!

75 replies in an hour, I love FIRST.

maybe we will have to make sushi?

-Vivek

JaneYoung 04-12-2008 16:41

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The_M01e (Post 779438)
Again: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lancetfish

I propose that the text in the background is the paragraph that is under the heading "Morphology"

I think "morphology" is the key word here.

M01e, what are you thinking about? Can you expand a little on why you think morphology is a key word?

Everyone is thinking about different things and exploring different things. Later when things settle down, folks will go back over the thread and re-read it. Plus, this thread is going to grow and grow and grow for a few hours, perhaps, days. I paid attention to what you wrote the first time and looked up morphology. It's interesting.

IndySam 04-12-2008 16:42

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fimmel (Post 779445)
the odd thing is that the FIRST picture was created: dec 3 08 19:56

the one on the website was created: dec 4 08 at 16:29

how was FIRST's created before?

check the time on your computer.

Elgin Clock 04-12-2008 16:43

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fimmel (Post 779445)
the odd thing is that the FIRST picture was created: dec 3 08 19:56

the one on the website was created: dec 4 08 at 16:29

how was FIRST's created before?

The one on the FIRST site was uploaded to the site @ 7:56pm last night - No shock.

You downloaded the one off the other website to your computer today about 15 minutes ago - again no shock.

Lakedaimon 04-12-2008 16:44

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Real Opah Fishin'!

The_M01e 04-12-2008 16:45

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Morphology I think leads to the word morph or change. That our robots are going to change to fit into places of something like that. I have a feeling that our robots will have to change in order to do something. Though I like what some of the others have came out with. I'm looking up a video where they showed the camera's video.

Ryan Caldwell 04-12-2008 16:46

Re: Game Hint #1
 
would be cool if we had to dress and cook the fish too

Elgin Clock 04-12-2008 16:46

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Btw, since this same image was found on a site with the title moonfish1.jpg, (moonfish.jpg without the "1" from the same site shown below in my signature btw - lol) maybe it has some kind of relevance to the moon's configuration this past Monday?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegasrob/3076451492/

Anyone else see that Monday night?
I thought it was odd enough to notice, & it was kinda cool.
But what could it mean in the clue world of FIRST?

temujin 04-12-2008 16:47

Re: Game Hint #1
 
The fish is an opah. Opah is close to Oprah. My guess is that Ms. Winfrey kicks off the game!:D

The_M01e 04-12-2008 16:49

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Opah = Moonfish

same fish.

swaknight 04-12-2008 16:49

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Morphology?, could that mean that some part of the field might change throughout the match, like between modes or something.

Tom Bottiglieri 04-12-2008 16:51

Re: Game Hint #1
 
I think I've found some extra information on the game. It seems we can submit questions about the new game here.

Good luck!

IndySam 04-12-2008 16:52

Re: Game Hint #1
 
They did not search the web to find a scan with details about a lancetfish viewable in reverse from the back page of the scan to point us to word "morphology."

synth3tk 04-12-2008 16:52

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by temujin (Post 779457)
The fish is an opah. Opah is close to Oprah. My guess is that Ms. Winfrey kicks off the game!:D

Sad day for FIRST, although the publicity wouldn't be too bad...

Andrew Schreiber 04-12-2008 16:53

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The_M01e (Post 779453)
Morphology I think leads to the word morph or change. That our robots are going to change to fit into places of something like that. I have a feeling that our robots will have to change in order to do something. Though I like what some of the others have came out with. I'm looking up a video where they showed the camera's video.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock (Post 779455)
Btw, since this same image was found on a site with the title moonfish1.jpg, (moonfish.jpg without the "1" from the same site shown below in my signature btw - lol) maybe it has some kind of relevance to the moon's configuration this past Monday?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegasrob/3076451492/

Anyone else see that Monday night?
I thought it was odd enough to notice, & it was kinda cool.
But what could it mean in the clue world of FIRST?


Coupling these two thoughts together (and after looking up morphology myself, remember, English is a good thing to know!) I could see game pieces/fields that radically change over time. OR perhaps we should recall the April fool's prank at West Michigan in 2006, the light changing colors.

Or perhaps Morphology only refers to the change in competition structure for FIRST.

synth3tk 04-12-2008 16:54

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 779463)
They did not search the web to find a scan with details about a lancetfish viewable in reverse from the back page of the scan to point us to word "morphology."

Closed-mindedness? Everyone knows anything is possible with FIRST and the GDC....

synth3tk 04-12-2008 16:56

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 779469)
Elgin just killed Flickr.

Any link posted here within the next few hours will kill the site for sure. :ahh:

Elgin Clock 04-12-2008 16:56

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 779469)
Elgin just killed Flickr.

Still works for me. lol I don't know why all you people are complaining about websites crashing, they all work for me when I click these links in here. :D

But if they do crash.. let me just say, "My bad!" lol :rolleyes:

JaneYoung 04-12-2008 16:58

Re: Game Hint #1
 
This was the morphology I looked up. All these different areas...wow.

Also, Elgin, I did see the moon and planets that evening. It was an incredible night for a walk. Thanks for the link. Beautiful.

Edit: Sorry Indy, I just read your post. I just like the word. You do have a point. :)

billbo911 04-12-2008 16:59

Re: Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperJake (Post 779366)
It looks to be a Lampris Guttatus, commonly called an Opah.


Here is a Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opah

From Wikipedia.... "....Though rarely caught, opah are prized trophies ..."

OK, here is my EARLY $.02.

One or two of the Game Elements are going to have a very large bonus value related to them. But they will be very difficult to attain.


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